New subframe connectors!
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From: Lake Orion, MI
New subframe connectors!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Nissa...spagenameZWDVW
Looks simple and good. They welds look good as well. I think I might try them out. I asked the seller if they had any installed pics and when stage2/3 will be released.
Looks simple and good. They welds look good as well. I think I might try them out. I asked the seller if they had any installed pics and when stage2/3 will be released.
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From: Lake Orion, MI
Hello,
I personally own a set of WSP SFCs. We designed these to hug the bottom of the car. We are still addressing clearance issues with Stage 2 and 3. That is why at this time we have not offered them. Each set has tabs welded on, so when we do release them, you will easily be able to upgrade with the least amount of difficulty. We know exhaust clearence issues were a problem for WarpSpeed. It is very difficult because of the many different styles of aftermarket exhaust on the market.
I personally own a set of WSP SFCs. We designed these to hug the bottom of the car. We are still addressing clearance issues with Stage 2 and 3. That is why at this time we have not offered them. Each set has tabs welded on, so when we do release them, you will easily be able to upgrade with the least amount of difficulty. We know exhaust clearence issues were a problem for WarpSpeed. It is very difficult because of the many different styles of aftermarket exhaust on the market.
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From: Lake Orion, MI
Hello Again,
Yes, we will be making them for the 5th Generation.
Yes, we will be making them for the 5th Generation.
It's hard to save money for carparts when we are tryin to win championships here...Beer and tickets
I'll have to keep checking ebay
Originally Posted by Matt93SE
Just cause I know who it is doesn't mean I can (or will) do anything about it. 
why, is it someone we should be wary of?
I asked yesterday about 5th gens. Response:
anyone here "lined up" for it?
Yes, we have a car lined up. I will not make promises on how soon they will be available, probably in 2 weeks.
Originally Posted by Matt93SE
You're ASSuming things then. 
either way, if i could get the WS ones, I would have.....if someone else, or someone related is making them....that's fine too, as long as they actually get made!
wonder why they changed design from the tubes to the square profile....
Originally Posted by irish44j
only assuming that since it appears this seller is actually MAKING them, as opposed to WS, who kept on stringing everyone along with promises.
either way, if i could get the WS ones, I would have.....if someone else, or someone related is making them....that's fine too, as long as they actually get made!
wonder why they changed design from the tubes to the square profile....
either way, if i could get the WS ones, I would have.....if someone else, or someone related is making them....that's fine too, as long as they actually get made!
wonder why they changed design from the tubes to the square profile....
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Originally Posted by SPiG
SFCs and Matt's LTB go on completely different parts of the car, and work even better if used together.
thanks for the clarification
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Originally Posted by hacim105
It is possible that they changed the design so it couldn't be construed as them copying their product.
Any engineers here care to comment on the design itself, i.e. mounting points, location of cross bracing, etc and how it compares to warpspeed? Looks less sturdy to me just by eyeballing it, but i'm no engineer.
Originally Posted by nismology
Any engineers here care to comment on the design itself, i.e. mounting points, location of cross bracing, etc and how it compares to warpspeed? Looks less sturdy to me just by eyeballing it, but i'm no engineer.
That couldn't really be answered unless we knew what type of steel is used, and the design would need to be put into a 3D program that can test pressure first.
Originally Posted by 4x4Max
Looks a little whimpy to me, and only 3 spots along the rails? Def. doesn't seem like enough to me, but i guess more can be added in a few minutes.
Originally Posted by 4x4Max
Looks a little whimpy to me, and only 3 spots along the rails? Def. doesn't seem like enough to me, but i guess more can be added in a few minutes.
Ok, I don't see why you're complaining. The subframe connectors are not the car's main support. It's not like the subframe connectors are going to see so much force that they bend and dont work. They don't need to be super hefty because there function is just to minimize flex. The car already has it's own support. This is not acting as the frame of of the car, this is just strengthening it, solidifying it.
Thus the reason there is not a need for 2" round tubing or so to be used as the subframe, and there is no reason to have 50 weld locations. And I'm sure if there happens to be negative feedback they will change the design.
Think about what you've just said... let me exaggerate here a bit and illustrate the thought process.... gluing a wet noodle onto your frame in three places isn't going to do squat to the strength. all you're doing is adding weight.
the way to reduce flex is to use a very strong tube and many connections to the chassis.
you do this for several reasons.
1. minimizing force on each individual attachment point. I've seen SFCs welded on in only a couple of places actually rip apart the "frame rails" on the bottom of the car where they were welded on. it's only thin sheet metal you're attaching to. kinda like walking on ice. wear normal shoes and crack! you fall through. wear huge snowshoes to increase the surface area, and the problem goes away.
2. a flexible tube is only going to provide marginal increases in chassis stiffness. attach a 3/4" rope to a board, and you still have the stiffness of a board. Attach a 3/4" steel tube to the same board, and you seriously increase the rigidity of it.
the better and stiffer tube you use to make an SFC, the better off you will be.
you can use a small diameter, thick wall tube (like the 3/4" x 0.120" tube I use on my LTBs), or you can use a large diameter, thin wall tube like race cars use on a roll cage. most use 1.5 or 1.75" tube with 0.060" or 0.090" wall thickness.
the way to reduce flex is to use a very strong tube and many connections to the chassis.
you do this for several reasons.
1. minimizing force on each individual attachment point. I've seen SFCs welded on in only a couple of places actually rip apart the "frame rails" on the bottom of the car where they were welded on. it's only thin sheet metal you're attaching to. kinda like walking on ice. wear normal shoes and crack! you fall through. wear huge snowshoes to increase the surface area, and the problem goes away.
2. a flexible tube is only going to provide marginal increases in chassis stiffness. attach a 3/4" rope to a board, and you still have the stiffness of a board. Attach a 3/4" steel tube to the same board, and you seriously increase the rigidity of it.
the better and stiffer tube you use to make an SFC, the better off you will be.
you can use a small diameter, thick wall tube (like the 3/4" x 0.120" tube I use on my LTBs), or you can use a large diameter, thin wall tube like race cars use on a roll cage. most use 1.5 or 1.75" tube with 0.060" or 0.090" wall thickness.
Another FYI..
I'll fill you in on who that is.
Dan Truax is Dallas Ziegler's brother. Dan and Dallas were the original "Warpspeed Performance" when they started. Dan was the one that did most of the publicizing and posting on .orgy when they were first on the scene. Dallas did the work in the shop and made/sold/shipped the products.
Warpspeed's very first SFCs were actually made with/by Dan in Minnesota in conjunction with Dallas et al in Arkansas as the main business entity.
Eventually, something happened (I've forgotten the story), but Dan and Dallas decided to go their own way.
so the jist of it is that Dan Truax WAS Warpspeed Performance several years back.
this is only a guess at this point, but I'm going to assume that Dan is tired of watching WSP's backorder list get bigger and bigger, so he is now making said products that are in such high demand. Why, I won't begin to speculate but I think a smart person could figure it out.
I'll fill you in on who that is.
Dan Truax is Dallas Ziegler's brother. Dan and Dallas were the original "Warpspeed Performance" when they started. Dan was the one that did most of the publicizing and posting on .orgy when they were first on the scene. Dallas did the work in the shop and made/sold/shipped the products.
Warpspeed's very first SFCs were actually made with/by Dan in Minnesota in conjunction with Dallas et al in Arkansas as the main business entity.
Eventually, something happened (I've forgotten the story), but Dan and Dallas decided to go their own way.
so the jist of it is that Dan Truax WAS Warpspeed Performance several years back.
this is only a guess at this point, but I'm going to assume that Dan is tired of watching WSP's backorder list get bigger and bigger, so he is now making said products that are in such high demand. Why, I won't begin to speculate but I think a smart person could figure it out.
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Originally Posted by Matt93SE
Another FYI..
I'll fill you in on who that is.
Dan Truax is Dallas Ziegler's brother. Dan and Dallas were the original "Warpspeed Performance" when they started. Dan was the one that did most of the publicizing and posting on .orgy when they were first on the scene. Dallas did the work in the shop and made/sold/shipped the products.
Warpspeed's very first SFCs were actually made with/by Dan in Minnesota in conjunction with Dallas et al in Arkansas as the main business entity.
Eventually, something happened (I've forgotten the story), but Dan and Dallas decided to go their own way.
so the jist of it is that Dan Truax WAS Warpspeed Performance several years back.
this is only a guess at this point, but I'm going to assume that Dan is tired of watching WSP's backorder list get bigger and bigger, so he is now making said products that are in such high demand. Why, I won't begin to speculate but I think a smart person could figure it out.
I'll fill you in on who that is.
Dan Truax is Dallas Ziegler's brother. Dan and Dallas were the original "Warpspeed Performance" when they started. Dan was the one that did most of the publicizing and posting on .orgy when they were first on the scene. Dallas did the work in the shop and made/sold/shipped the products.
Warpspeed's very first SFCs were actually made with/by Dan in Minnesota in conjunction with Dallas et al in Arkansas as the main business entity.
Eventually, something happened (I've forgotten the story), but Dan and Dallas decided to go their own way.
so the jist of it is that Dan Truax WAS Warpspeed Performance several years back.
this is only a guess at this point, but I'm going to assume that Dan is tired of watching WSP's backorder list get bigger and bigger, so he is now making said products that are in such high demand. Why, I won't begin to speculate but I think a smart person could figure it out.
Originally Posted by Matt93SE
Think about what you've just said... let me exaggerate here a bit and illustrate the thought process.... gluing a wet noodle onto your frame in three places isn't going to do squat to the strength. all you're doing is adding weight.
the way to reduce flex is to use a very strong tube and many connections to the chassis.
you do this for several reasons.
1. minimizing force on each individual attachment point. I've seen SFCs welded on in only a couple of places actually rip apart the "frame rails" on the bottom of the car where they were welded on. it's only thin sheet metal you're attaching to. kinda like walking on ice. wear normal shoes and crack! you fall through. wear huge snowshoes to increase the surface area, and the problem goes away.
2. a flexible tube is only going to provide marginal increases in chassis stiffness. attach a 3/4" rope to a board, and you still have the stiffness of a board. Attach a 3/4" steel tube to the same board, and you seriously increase the rigidity of it.
the better and stiffer tube you use to make an SFC, the better off you will be.
you can use a small diameter, thick wall tube (like the 3/4" x 0.120" tube I use on my LTBs), or you can use a large diameter, thin wall tube like race cars use on a roll cage. most use 1.5 or 1.75" tube with 0.060" or 0.090" wall thickness.
the way to reduce flex is to use a very strong tube and many connections to the chassis.
you do this for several reasons.
1. minimizing force on each individual attachment point. I've seen SFCs welded on in only a couple of places actually rip apart the "frame rails" on the bottom of the car where they were welded on. it's only thin sheet metal you're attaching to. kinda like walking on ice. wear normal shoes and crack! you fall through. wear huge snowshoes to increase the surface area, and the problem goes away.
2. a flexible tube is only going to provide marginal increases in chassis stiffness. attach a 3/4" rope to a board, and you still have the stiffness of a board. Attach a 3/4" steel tube to the same board, and you seriously increase the rigidity of it.
the better and stiffer tube you use to make an SFC, the better off you will be.
you can use a small diameter, thick wall tube (like the 3/4" x 0.120" tube I use on my LTBs), or you can use a large diameter, thin wall tube like race cars use on a roll cage. most use 1.5 or 1.75" tube with 0.060" or 0.090" wall thickness.
I know you had "deal" of some sort with WS, but I think it's past it's statute of limitations, so to say