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Old Aug 20, 2001 | 08:27 PM
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...with my 91GXE. It came out of the woods right near the street...never saw it until it was too late. Over $1500 in damage to the car. Stupid critter!

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Old Aug 20, 2001 | 08:32 PM
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well heck...if you had hit the mattress that I did first (see my other thread), it would have bounced right off!

Sorry to hear about your loss...I am always paranoid when I see deer just standing on the side of the road...like they're just waiting for that perfect moment to leap in front of your car.
Old Aug 20, 2001 | 08:59 PM
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Sorry about your accident! Did the deer jump right up? Was there any damage to your suspension?
Old Aug 20, 2001 | 09:04 PM
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Jim, i am glad that you are ok.

I am sorry to hear about your 91. At least it wasnt your 4th gen.

So are you going to have it fixed or just part it?
Old Aug 20, 2001 | 09:11 PM
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You mean...

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I'm sorry to hear about your 91. At least it wasnt your 4th gen.
too bad it wasn't his 4th gen.

Jim, you killed Bambi! If you want to go around killing deer, at least use a gun!

Good luck.
Old Aug 20, 2001 | 09:41 PM
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Thats sucks, I hit a chipmunk{S?} and killed him . No visible damage but I felt really bad for the poor guy..
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 02:11 AM
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we dont have those kind of problems in LA. Instead we have stupid kids running across the streets and trying to be hood ornaments.
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 02:13 AM
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Did the deer die?
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 03:22 AM
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I hate deer. they do so much damage.
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 06:23 AM
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So nobody feels sorry for the deer? The biggest reason (this is just from info I've come across, I'm not purporting to be some expert) so many deer cross roads is because people have cleared the deer's habitat, and they no longer have any room. They're bound to cross roads often because they're in search of places to live, or trying to find a way to live on land that has roads running through it. These are not exactly advanced creatures that can reason enough to tell themselves to not cross roads.

A lot of this deer problem is our own doing.

The day I hit a deer is the day ... I don't know what I'd do. I'm not an animal nut, I'm not a vegetarian, I'm not anti-hunting. But the thought if killing a deer because we decided it didn't need a home, I don't know how I'd live with myself. You can always say, "Not ALL deer lose their homes to development," or "You don't know THIS deer lost its home to develompent," but that's really not very comforting to me.
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by Maxwell
So nobody feels sorry for the deer? The biggest reason (this is just from info I've come across, I'm not purporting to be some expert) so many deer cross roads is because people have cleared the deer's habitat, and they no longer have any room. They're bound to cross roads often because they're in search of places to live, or trying to find a way to live on land that has roads running through it. These are not exactly advanced creatures that can reason enough to tell themselves to not cross roads.

A lot of this deer problem is our own doing.

The day I hit a deer is the day ... I don't know what I'd do. I'm not an animal nut, I'm not a vegetarian, I'm not anti-hunting. But the thought if killing a deer because we decided it didn't need a home, I don't know how I'd live with myself. You can always say, "Not ALL deer lose their homes to development," or "You don't know THIS deer lost its home to develompent," but that's really not very comforting to me.
True, but last time I heard, the deer population, especially up here in NE was rising very very quickly, so now they are moving more south, down to the lower part of the NE. There has actually been quite a few Moose sightings down here in lower MA. So, I guess hitting a deer is just part of population control.
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 06:48 AM
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1500$ damage from a deer hit is nothing. More often than not car-deer accidents are like 5000-15000$ if not a writeoff.

You must not have been going too fast.

As luck would have it a seagull hit me this morning, bounced right off the windsheild. Fortuantely no damage. This month is turning into the Max Masacre Month.

Glad to hear you are OK.
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by BlkStnValyMaxima

So, I guess hitting a deer is just part of population control.
... ...

Poor taste. If you said the same thing about children in third world countries, where the population explosions are out of control, you'd have been flamed.
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 07:19 AM
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First off:

Jim,

I'm sorry about the 3rd gen hitting the deer. That sucks. I'm grateful you're OK.

I would normally say "too bad it wasn't the 4th gen", but with the blower and tranny work you've had done, I'm actually glad it was the 3rd gen.

Originally posted by Maxwell
So nobody feels sorry for the deer?


Not really.

The biggest reason (this is just from info I've come across, I'm not purporting to be some expert) so many deer cross roads is because people have cleared the deer's habitat, and they no longer have any room.


Oh boy.

They're bound to cross roads often because they're in search of places to live, or trying to find a way to live on land that has roads running through it.


That's not really true, but I don't feel like explaining what attracts deer to roads. It isn't this "clearing" as you would like it to be. In other words, it's not entirely the evil human race's fault.

These are not exactly advanced creatures that can reason enough to tell themselves to not cross roads.


I'll agree, they are stupid. I guess we should stop driving cars, building houses, etc., and lay down and let the deer rule.

A lot of this deer problem is our own doing.


If anything, the reason this isn't a bigger problem is hunters taking care of the population overflows. I'm very grateful to the service hunters provide.

I'm not an animal nut, I'm not a vegetarian, I'm not anti-hunting.


Algore said the exact same thing, and then in the same breath stated we need gun control. You don't seem to understand the importance of controlling the animal population where humans reside.

But the thought if killing a deer because we decided it didn't need a home, I don't know how I'd live with myself. You can always say, "Not ALL deer lose their homes to development," or "You don't know THIS deer lost its home to develompent," but that's really not very comforting to me.
We are humans, they are animals. We are higher up in the food chain. We rule, they don't. Get over it.



Now I await the OT to get all upset.
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 07:33 AM
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Going OT

Bill, you really oversimplified my argument and put words in my mouth.

First off, there's nothing wrong with feeling bad for animals that get hurt for no practical reason. Yep, we're higher up on the food chain and we eat venison because of it. I have no problem with that.

But I do have a problem with deer who are hit on the road. Not with the drivers, just with the idea. I just feel bad for them. I do. I understand it's a price we pay for development. I can accept it without having to cry from a tree stump that we're killing our natural habitats and need to park our cars and build some lean-to's.

But I still feel bad for the innocent animals who are killed senselessly (yes, that's the correct word; it doesn't mean "killed by savages who have no sense"). I mean, Christ, it HURTS to get hit by a car! And how many of these animals are picked up and taken home for dinner? Oh well.

A fire at a horse track and stable occurred near my house recently, and almost 30 horses died. I felt bad for the helpless horses who couldn't escape their pens and died, and all anyone could talk about was whether the horses were insured. I have no problem with horses as pets, horses as investments, horses as laborers, horses as property. But imagine burning alive and no one even mentioning your suffering. Imagine if they just wanted to talk to whoever was parting out your Maxima.

I also should make it clear that I do not think animals have the same rights as humans, but that that does not mean we should not care about them at all.
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 07:48 AM
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Re: Going OT

Originally posted by Maxwell
Bill, you really oversimplified my argument and put words in my mouth.


Yes, I sort of did.

First off, there's nothing wrong with feeling bad for animals that get hurt for no practical reason. Yep, we're higher up on the food chain and we eat venison because of it. I have no problem with that.


I didn't say feeling bad for them was wrong. Your words seemed to imply that we should "save the deer". Save them from what?

That's like people who want to save the planet. The planet has been here for several billion years and will be long after I'm gone.

This is all just part of life. It's not fair.

But I do have a problem with deer who are hit on the road. Not with the drivers, just with the idea. I just feel bad for them. I do. I understand it's a price we pay for development. I can accept it without having to cry from a tree stump that we're killing our natural habitats and need to park our cars and build some lean-to's.


I know it is a shame. Deer are beautiful animals to watch.

But I still feel bad for the innocent animals who are killed senselessly (yes, that's the correct word; it doesn't mean "killed by savages who have no sense"). I mean, Christ, it HURTS to get hit by a car! And how many of these animals are picked up and taken home for dinner? Oh well.


Yeah, senseless killing sucks. But it happens. Besides driving slow and watching around you, there is little that can be done. Animals are instinctive and do not reason, which allows for accidents to happen. In addition, humans are predominantly stupid out of laziness and don't want to put forth effort when they drive. Sometimes the animal screws up, sometimes we screw up. We just happen to have crumple zones and deer do not.

A fire at a horse track and stable occurred near my house recently, and almost 30 horses died. I felt bad for the helpless horses who couldn't escape their pens and died, and all anyone could talk about was whether the horses were insured. I have no problem with horses as pets, horses as investments, horses as laborers, horses as property. But imagine burning alive and no one even mentioning your suffering. Imagine if they just wanted to talk to whoever was parting out your Maxima.
Again, life can sometimes suck and it isn't always fair.
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by JJW95SC
...with my 91GXE. It came out of the woods right near the street...never saw it until it was too late. Over $1500 in damage to the car. Stupid critter!
Jim
Sorry Jim. It wasn't too long ago that I hit something so I feel your pain I'm glad you're ok!
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by Maxwell


Yes, I sort of did.

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I didn't say feeling bad for them was wrong. Your words seemed to imply that we should "save the deer". Save them from what?
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Hm. I didn't mean to imply we have to save the deer, sorry. I just wanted someone to say "poor deer; he didn't know any better."

But you're right about the earth and our effect. I wholeheartedly subscribe to the George Carlin school of thought on this one. In the grand scheme of things, a couple of deer on the side of the road ain't gonna make a difference. On the other hand, there's really no reason to wish them harm, or even to ignore them when we accidentally hurt them..

Anyway, Jim, I am glad you're ok, and sorry you had to deal with all that comes with hitting that deer.
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 08:13 AM
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Anyway, Jim, I am glad you're ok, and sorry you had to deal with all that comes with hitting that deer.
Yeah, I'm accustomed to seeing a minimum of 3k of damage with the deer stories I've been told about.
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 08:19 AM
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It's all part of Darwin's theory. The deers that are afraid of cars will not jump in front of one and should have a better chance of surviving to spread his genes. The deers who are not afraid have a better chance of dying.

Eventually we should have a world where all deers are afraid of cars... but by then we will have flying cars!

I know it ain't fun but sometimes **** happens.
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 08:33 AM
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I wouldn't mind having some deer share my house with me but they'd have to be potty-trained and learn how to cook. No late night parties. Oh, and I get the remote!

Seriously, I did feel bad for the deer since it was a victim of circumstance...but so was I. I had my son in the car and I'm far more concerned for his (and my) safety than for the animal's. I would have preffered not meeting the deer by accident, for both our sakes.

I'm not convinced that it is new development that is the sole cause of the problem. It seems to me that these deer have no natural predators in NJ, other than hunters, so their population grows. As it grows, they will wander in search of new food supplies. Unfortunately, this puts them in harms way.

Jim
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by 97MaxGurl

Sorry Jim. It wasn't too long ago that I hit something so I feel your pain I'm glad you're ok!
Thanks Ange...good luck with your repairs also!

Jim
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 08:53 AM
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Yeah, I'm accustomed to seeing a minimum of 3k of damage with the deer stories I've been told about.

Well, it was just an estimate after the guy took a quick look at the car. I'll keep you all posted.

Jim
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 09:03 AM
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Has anyone ever used those deer whistle type of things that you stick on your car and the noise keeps animals away as you drive?

Do they work?

Jim
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 09:41 AM
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damn

that sucks, sorry to hear about the incident. At lease you and your son are okay.

I do feel bad for the deer though.

I saw a deer once upstate which was like 4 or 5 years ago, but I can't imagine hitting one going 70+. Good thing we don't have deer in NYC, just stupid jaywalkers
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 09:43 AM
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sorry to hear about that man... if it makes you feel any better, i've hit two this year so far... i guess that's what i get for having a 45mile commute to work everyday on backroads...
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 10:07 AM
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u killed a deer!!!!! UUUUUUU!
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 10:13 AM
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One of my ex-GF had them on her car. Can't really say thAt they worked since she never hit a deer before she put them on and she never hit a deer after she put them on.

For all I know deer might be scared of Hondas.




Originally posted by JJW95SC
Has anyone ever used those deer whistle type of things that you stick on your car and the noise keeps animals away as you drive?

Do they work?

Jim
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 10:16 AM
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loud exhaust? or because hondas are too fast
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by JJW95SC
Has anyone ever used those deer whistle type of things that you stick on your car and the noise keeps animals away as you drive?

Do they work?

Jim
Jim,

We have a lot of deer issues down here in TN, especially on back roads. The consensus is these whistle devices ATTRACT more deer than they repel. The "noise" makes them curious, even though it does irritate them. Usually more deer come around to "see what's going on". I would avoid using them.

I'm glad your son is OK as well.
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 03:24 PM
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I feel sorry for the deer. I think a deer's life is worth more than a $1500 insurance claim a few days in a shop. No ones fault just too bad it happened.
Old Aug 21, 2001 | 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by JJW95SC
...with my 91GXE. It came out of the woods right near the street...never saw it until it was too late. Over $1500 in damage to the car. Stupid critter!

Jim
It's almost deer mating season in so I guess a lot more will be out and around soon.
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