...on the way home from work on this secondary highway, one lane each way, doing about 70, he passed me, then I ripped by him, so at that point we were doing about 85, and he decides to pass me again. I step on it and he just rips by me at quite the clip..Granted I did let up a bit when we were side by side because of a rise in the road and a lot of uneven pavement tossing me around a bit, but still I figure he coulda had me easily. I got the impression the car wasnt speed governed either, because as I was hitting 100, he was still pulling strong. I just didnt want to get tossed off the road by a washboard or something at that point.
What do those cars have under the hood?? It was a 2 door and had dual exhausts, didnt look all that new..maybe 3-5 years old. i dunno! DA*m@ I hate lettin the brothers/sisters at the ORG down!!

 

Blah blah blah. If I remember correctly they have 240hp. Not positive. I would rather lose one race than total my car in a ditch. I say you were smart. Maybe you'll meet up some other time on that road....

 

Its supercharged and a 3.8 liter with lots of torque. Don't feel bad, my wifes Regal GS is the same motor, and we can smoke the tires for half a block w/ the traction control turned off.

 

You still could have floor it for a bit. My 2k SE pulls nicely all the way up to 117-120, and then it's almost no acceleration.

 

Bonneville SSEi or Grand Prix GTP

 

probably the GTP coupe

 

Oh it said 2 door lol...

 

 

if it was a GTP then maybe he had an ASE chip. Since it wasn't governed. He might of had his PCM programmed for this and maybe the other options that they get. Who knows but don't worry, you didn't let anyone down, better to be safe than sorry.

 

If you are an auto then you had no chance. Even a modified 5sp will get pulled on from a roll - the amount depending on where you roll from.

A modified 5spd should beat one from a dead stop. I know that I have - but only with a good launch. If you are going from a stop, make sure you don't just roll out then try to punch it. Either race from dead stop or don't race! I got absolutely murdered when a GS acted like he didn't want to race and then as soon as we started rolling, punched it.

If the GTP is modded - when then we will have to rely upon our SC/NOS brethren to uphold the Maxima name.

 

I stand corrected.

 

Hmmm.....Based on the few races Ive had with GTP's, I'd say an auto Max should be TOAST. I could BARELY beat a stock one depending on what speed we took off at.

 

Yes barely. From a standstill, I would take him everytime. But, that was due to the fact that he really didnt know how the launch the car.

From a 60 mph roll, he'd start to walk me. But, Id catch up around 90 and was able to stay there the rest of the way.

With equal drivers, it should be a good race provided the Max is 5 speed.

A friend of mine has a 1999 GTX. Bone stock he hit 14.6@94. With a slightly smaller pulley, he hit 14.3@96. I just dont see an auto Max being able to hang with that. A 5 speed on a cool day, posssibly. But, imagine what would happen if the Pontiac was also a 5 speed.....

 

Good enough.

 

I don't think GM could ever develope a 5 speed that could handle the torque of the 3.8 SC motor. Their beefy auto is already super stressed with the stock output. Once you add a 3.4" pulley or smaller, your tranny's months become numbers. Anyways, with huge low rpm torque and lack of topend hp, the 3.8 SC wouldn't be a good motor to team with a manual. An automatic is still the best choice.

I've raced a few GTPs (stock and pullied). Granted I am not stock, I beat most of them except for the one that got me by 3 cars from 40-110 (3.4" pullied, full exhaust, chipped, intake GTP coupe) From a stop they seem to get me everytime, but I quickly catch up once in 2nd and procede to walk them in the topend. Due to the GTPs huge torque, peaky torque curve (not flat at all = not good for topend performance), and lack of topend hp, almost all GTPs (modded or stock) fall flat after 90mph. Their huge torque gives them the ability to launch very hard, but the lack of sustained torque kills them in the topend. Go to www.clubgp.com and look thru the timeslips. Many guys are running ultra low 14s at rather low 93-94mph trap speeds with typical 3.4" pulley, intake, and exhaust. It is very rare for a heavily modded GTP (3.2" pulley, exhaust, intake, headers, drags) to run any faster than a 13.8@100mph. The roots blower developes a TON of heat especially when pushed with lots of boost. Once you go to a 3.0-3.4" pulley, KR (knock retard) becomes a problem and potential disaster looms in the near future.

I'll step off my soap box now.


Dave

 

Agreed, have not had problems with a GTP. Really are they that fast?

 

What kind of tranny handles LT1/LS1? I know they have 6-speeds in there now...but I'll bet they had a 5-speed for teh LT1.

 

they had 6-speeds in the LT1s also.

I have NEVER had a problem with a GTP. The only one I've EVER seen run in the 14s was a Pullied one with at least exhaust and he ran a 14.6. I watched a bone stock GTP run a few 15.8s the other day at the track...granted the weather was cr@p and MAX2000JP ran a best of 15.3....still...I don't think the stock GTP has a chance against a 5-speed max...ESPECIALLY up top.

 

Correct...but did they ever have a 5-speed?

 

Correct...but did they ever have a 5-speed?

 

My friend has a 1999 GTP sedan. He has a short pulley and upgraded supercharger. We tested 0-60 at 5.9 (his 2nd tranny at 35K miles) then tested my stock GXE 5 spd with 100-lbs bass box in the trunk at 6.8. Grand Prix should have a 120 MPH governor. I was pulled on by one GTP on a roll at 40 MPH. Indeed, they are bad beasts, with wide track and low profile 16" alloys, they handle better then my Max.

Sometimes low end torque is good....but not when it comes with low resale value....you can get a 99-00 GTP for around $15K (cost brand new $25K)....no you wont find a 00 Maxima for $15K.

 

Yes mated to the F-Body V6.

Mark

 

GM does develop a 5-speed auto tranny that is used in the BMW 5-series and 7-series .. the 4.4L V8 has 282hp and 324lb-ft of torque ... the 5.4L V12 has 326hp and 361lb-ft of torque

it's not a matter of they can't develop a tranny to handle the torque of the 3.8L SC motor in the GTP, it's more a matter of the cost of putting a tranny like that in a GTP

GM is known for its smooth as butter auto trannies ... they're even used in the auto Rolls-Royce's ...now only if their cars were made with the same quality, innovation and attention to detail

cheers

 

can you say 3.8liter V6 Supercharged????????
of course you lost...

 

Ummmmm. I really got a good deal on my Max.... 2000 with high miles (40,000) for 14,000..... It's a 5 speed with no options but hey... If you look you can get a 2000 for under 15. I call it a road runner edition. Oh yeah I made sure to check so I didn't get screwed. All maintenance was followed perfectly by the previous owner. I love it and um now it has 45,600 on it..... I've had it 3 months. I keep finding excuses to drive.

 

Man I was talking about a GTP...top of the line...leather seating, more bells and whistles then in Maxima GLE...this car costs 25K+ brand new...dont compare it to bare bones GXE 5 spd (invoice 19,800)you could've compared Ford Taurus and Honda Civic and resale value



btw I also got 2000 GXE 5 spd "bare bone edition" now at 18K miles. I think you got a terrific deal on your car. Did you buy it at drug repo auction? Here in MD-PA area at the dealer's auction..the price of a 1999 GXE auto 40K miles is between $13.5-14 grand...well, congrats on your purchase, enjoy

 

Actually I got it at a dealership. Mid-City Chrysler had it on their lot. It had been tied up as the previous person who was going to purchase it didn't get their loan. I managed to call the day after it was verified that the other guy wasn't going to get it. It was just past July 4th and they had a sale on their used cars. Sticker was 14,995 I did enough compaining about the lack of a CD player... and other amenities theat they dropped it.... (actually they just offered me more on my trade-in) but I know I got lucky.

Funny thing is that my sister bought a 98 camry auto 4 and a close family friend bought a 98 auto accord 4 for the same price....... I don't ever mention anything to them but hot damn it feels good to row through the gears and hear that v6 growl to redline. I don't want to rub it in their faces. I almost crapped my pants when I saw it for that price on autotrader.com. I was excited...... then I looked and saw that it was a 5-speed.... That's when I had to control myself or risk messing my pants.

The previous owner was a guy with an Arab name and the car had originally been purchased at Trophy Nissan... I called and they verified maintenance on the vehicle. It runs beautifully and I didn't have any problems with it...... well except the brakes. They squealed like a ****. I had them cleaned and dressed and I switched out the pads. Runs great drives great. Oh yeah. After smoking a friend at work who paid about the same amount for her 98 mustang GT..... I couldn't help but think how good of a deal I had gotten...... I'm still amazed.