It's not everyday that a 3rd gen does 12s in the 1/4 mile. So I thought I'd post and let all the 3rd genners know what happened this past Friday night.

The NWP Engineering VE Auto ran 12s on just a 50 shot of nitrous!

My best time was a 12.89 @ 104.5 mph with the 75 shot. But I ran two back to back 12.95s with the 50 shot earlier that night.

Please see this thread for more information:

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=544415

Does anybody know what the fastest 3rd gen 1/4 mile time is? I know there have been some turbocharged 3rd gens crack into the 12s.

 

wow good job! do you have all the seats, spare tire and a/c compressor, ect. taken out to reduce weight to get there? last i heard you were in the high 13s so that is quite an improvement.

 

Yeah, this is with the weight reduction.

The 13.79 time I ran was all motor. Now I have nitrous. Which helps a little.

 

Do you remove the mirrors or fold them back? There could probably be a bit of gain from that.

 

No I don't mess with the side mirrors. But sure, there might be a gain. I can also tape up all the seams on the entire car like the racers on the Bonneville Salt Flats do.

I won't worry about small aerodynamic issues until I'm trying to crack into the 9s in the 1/4. lol Which will never happen.

 

Nice job, Aaron.

 

thats awsome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I just wanted to give everyone an update. Right now, I have my 22" MT slicks on 15x6 Millenia wheels. I recently upgraded these wheels for 15x8 Rota Slipstreams. This has noticeably increased the contact patch!

Here are some pics:





I really think I can see some 1.7 60 foots with this setup. I hope to hit the track this next Thursday or Friday and try to launch on the 75 shot. If everything goes well, I'll give the 100 shot a try. On my last track visit, I had some detonation on the 75 shot, so I didn't want to increase the power.

Low/mid 12s soon to come!

 

Damn Aaron, those Rota's are the business!

Can't wait to see some good times!

 

A FWD drag car...who knew? Way to represent, Aaron!

 

Haha! Sort of an oxymoron, isn't it? I'm trying to get the best 60 foot humanly possible for a FWD car without wheelie bars. I have more ideas, but it seems very few FWD people are able to get 1.6s w/o a wheelie bar. The most common 60 foots I see with the Honda crowd, even with huge slicks, is low 1.7s. I know 1.6s are possible, but that's the limit I think.

 

I'm hitting the track tomorrow. I hope to see some 1.7s with the new wheels I have. Other than that, not much has changed except for 7 more lbs of weight reduction.

I plan to spray the 75 shot on the launch and learn on that. If things goes well, I'll try to 100 shot launch.

 

and i will be waiting for results

 

100shot?

NAWWs is a bit addicting huh? GL man!

~Alex

 

DUDE YOU'RE BACK, watch yo back before greeny gets mad again hope I dont get banned for saying that.

By the way, now that you meantion and I realize it can be true...how much does Nitrous cost anyway? I dont mean the setup but the "refills"

 

Yes, nitrous is very addicting. With a little safe tuning, you realize how much faster your car can actually be with just a larger nitrous jet.

To fill a completely empty 10lb nitrous bottle, it costs $35. My local shop charges $3.50/lb, but I usually only get 6 or 7 lbs put in it every time since the power will start to surge when you get below 4lbs.

With the 75 shot, I could probably get 8-10 full 1/4 mile passes before I need to refill. With the 150 shot, you're lucky to get 4-5 passes off one bottle.

It starts to add up fast! If you race every weekend and want fast times, go turbo. But if you race only a few times a year, then nitrous is the way to go.

 

Interesting, at Bristol (TN) they won't let you run slicks....you have to use drag radials. They also won't let you run spare tires either....at least it looks like that is what you're running on the rear. Are those rear tires spares? If so, seems dangerous given their low speed rating. You appear to be pushing the limit by twice their rating.

 

And hopefully me and him can line up, as a comparison of a stock+spacers+hai VG auto versus his Super White VE Auto monster..

 

So they are NOT spare tires! Any tech inspection should catch that and fail you.

These are DOT approved motorcycle tires which have a high weight limit and a very high speed rating. So far, no track has bothered me with it. As long as the load weight is safe, there is no rule in the NHRA rule book that prohibits motorcycle tires. But in the end, it's the tech inspector that makes the final decision regardless of what the book says.

I know Bristol allows slicks. It's an NHRA sanctioned track. I am guessing that they don't allow slicks on the Grudge Night or Street TnT night. But there has to be a TnT session that allows slicks. How else are the 1000hp cars suppose to hook up?

I'm leaving the house now. Gotta make a stop to the ATM since they don't take credit cards and then get a gallon or two of race fuel. I should be there by 12:45.

Bring your camera Jared!

Get off the computer and bring yourself!

 

Aaron, so what do you use for the rim? Do you then use the spare tire rim? No one could ever tell me how to narrow up the rear tires. Good info!

Yes, you are right. Bristol does not allow them to use slicks at Street Fights. I didn't see where you mentioned what kind of event you are running. Locally, the Street fights are during the week and the high HP guys run on the weekends. I'm actually suprised you can still run. Bristol drag strip closes around August. Which track are you running at?

 

Its on his mod page but they are spare rx7 rims, 85-90 I believe. Then the motorcycle tires so they are legal to drive on.

~Alex

 

Yeah, our track stays open all year round, weather permitting. So if there is rain, or if temps are below the dew point, then they can't really race on a moist track. We rarely get snow too.

Today was about 45-55 degrees from 1-5pm. It was a normal TnT event... well sorta. They call it a Grudge Day and they cut the slips down the middle and don't show your ET on the board. I think it's the gayest crap you can do for a track event. I wish they'd show my times. I had a couple guys walk up to my car after I made a full nitrous pass. He guess that I ran 14.7. I told him... 12.9. He about crapped his pants! lol And that 12.9 had a lousy 60 foot.

I am racing at Kinston Drag Strip. They don't prep the track here. They don't scrape it and they barely lay down a thin layer of VHT. Bottom line is, they are too poor of a track to prep it properly on a normal TnT day. I am going to have to drive somewhere else to get the track prep I need for a 1.7 60 foot.

 

Yeah. I use 16x4 1994 RX7 spare tire wheels. They are aluminum Enkei (sp) wheels. Very nice! You can use your stock spare tire wheels. But they are heavy and you will have to get MT skinnies instead of motorcycle tires since they are 15". Motorcycle tires are very hard to find in 15". Common sizes are 17 and 18. Even 16" motorcycle tires are tough to find.

I got the idea from Jime a long time ago. He got the idea from the RX7 guys which use this setup for their front skinnies. Pretty cool stuff.

 

Well, just to let you guys know how the day went. If you already can't tell, the track prep sucked and my best 60 foot of the day was my first run with a 1.83 with the 75 shot launch. That was b/c the track was prepped and only a few cars have runs prior to me. Then after that, it was all down hill and I couldn't get traction! They even admitted it was a very poor surface for traction since they were asking everybody to turn the wheels over before getting on the track surface. But it was too late by that point.

My best time was when I hit the 75 shot 5 feet after the launch.

RT .138
1.917
5.362
8.288 @ 83.650mph
10.741
12.949 @ 105.595mph

Today, I did get a new personal best trap speed. My previous best was a 105.3mph. Not much better. But I knew I would making the power I needed in order to do 12.6-12.8s, but I didn't have ANY traction! I had to back out on every other run b/c it would hit the rev limiter on the launch. The car won't shift if it's spinning them this fast.

Capecadaver showed up and took some videos! A BIG THANKS TO JARED! I got a free Tshirt too just to show my appreciation. And Jared also ran the 1/4 mile for the first time ever in his VG Auto with WAI and NWP Engineering Phenolic Intake Spacers.

I am AMAZED at the times we was getting! He had crappy tires too, but he was still able to get 2.3 60 foots, which is decent for that car in an automatic. I think his best run might have been a 16.2. But I'll let him post up his results. A stock VG Auto should do 16.8-17.2 in the 1/4 mile!

My best run in my VE Auto with just WAI was a 16.7! That was at higher elevation (2000' Las Vegas). But corrected, I would have ran a 16.3 with a WAI. That should show just how fast his VG Auto actually ran with just two bolt ons. That car is definitely making some power!

 

He got good times cuz Subway really contributed to weight reduction by having him "eat fresh" and healthy.

 

Har. Har. Har..

1st run: got wrong timeslip... as it turns out
**2k stall, 27psi tires, no tc lockup**
lane....left
rt.......0.850
60'.....2.343
1/8....10.001
1/4....16.214
mph...71.547mph

runs 2-4 (#4 head2head vs Aaron)
**1200 stall, 27psi tires, tc lockup active)**
lane....right......right......left
rt.......0.631....0.434......0.558
60'.....2.378....2.369......2.364
1/8....10.564...10.471....10.551
1/4....16.426...16.311....16.433
mph...83.274...83.615....83.747

OK so the reason I'm saying that I got the wrong timeslip for my first run is because I distinctly remember being on the left lane, and my timeslip is for a right-lane car. It was a black pickup, a ford, and they must have lifted early, explaining the low trap speed. I was #27, and that truck was #22. I know i was in the left because i took the early turnoff and he took the later turnoff, in the slowdown zone.

 

That makes sense. There is no way you were doing 10.0 in the 1/8 mile. That is a mid 15 second 1/4 mile pass. So you definitely got the wrong timeslip and yes, the truck lifted at the 1/8 mile mark.

So your official best run was a 16.3, which is still absolutely amazing! Good job man!

Thanks for taking videos. And thanks for keeping an eye out during my burnout. I found out that my VLSD is puking on me. It's common for them to get weak or give out overtime. Now I know what my major handicap is for my 60 foot, other than poor track prep.

 

What did you think about that run we had? That last run was HORRIBLE for me. I think I ran 13.3 with a stupid tire smoking 60 foot.

 

haha, hard to say.. but all I know is you smoked me like a cigar.

 

Haha. I can't wait to see the videos. If you need to email me large attachments, then send them to [adogg18@yahoo.com] and I will host some of them on my website.

 

I uploaded them all here http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u...n%20Dragstrip/
120mb attachment haha i just posted them so you can pick and choose. They were already posted before saw that post so i wasn't going to send a whole ZIP file that i'd just uploaded individually.

I also discovered a 640x480 mode but it greatly sacrifices framerate. Ours are i believe 320x240.

Next time i may have a camera mount made for my car so i can take in-car videos down the line against you.

 

in-mount cam'll be so wicked cool!
Seeing this thread makes me wonder what my stock 91'll do...
prob'ly not 13's...

 

yeah but if I did i would have to barely show him at the starting line, because at the end of the track he was like... far enough ahead that I could have kept in it and still not caught up to him as he was slowing down and turning off (of course then i'd run into some trees and die and wreck the car... so good thing I didn't try!) so I'd have to point it down the track to show him most of the time, rather than him leaving the frame early. Remember, his last run, which by his standards, sucked, was still a full 3sec faster than me. But I could probably take a stock ve5 for a decent run.

 

That would be cool. Thanks for taking videos even though it was a pissy day.

 

Yeah a couple of times you'd pull back trackside and you looked ready to hit something/body... Hopefully you can get your VLSD working again (i've heard it's possible to change the fluid) and that'll get your 60' times down. I think this is really hurting you at the line.

http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u...t=MVI_0515.flv

^^^^^^ see guys.. only one tire is making smoke

 

Try mid - high 16's buddy

 

mebe, but i think i can solve it...
ROCKETTSSSSSSS!!!!

 

Some day i would love to line up next to you. lots of fun.

Crazy launch VS.. Crazy top end.

whos gunna win.

Nice work by the way. a 12.9 at only 105 is pretty darn respectable in a fwd car.

 

Maybe we can have Maxus in Chicago again and we can have a track meet

 

Maxus IS in chicago again in 08. however we are working on a road course not a drag strip this year