Shifting notchy when engine on, but smooth when off?
Shifting notchy when engine on, but smooth when off?
When my engine is running, it is hard to shift into any gear, I have to push pretty hard to between every shift. If I have the engine off, though, I can push the clutch in and shift very easily and smoothly. Does this mean the hydraulics (cluch master and slave cylinders) are working fine but I have a problem elsewhere? What could it be? It's getting pretty bad.
Also, I rebuilt the clutch master cylinder a year or so ago (it was leaking) so I doubt it has anything to do with that, could it maybe be the slave? Something else?
Edit: Also, my clutch has recectly started slipping a little if I'm in gear at low rpms and gun it, I thought it was just slowly wearing out, but could this be any part of the problem? Another thing too, if I put the car in reverse and then neutral, it will stay in reverse and I have to put it into another gear and then back to neutral to get it in neutral, I don't know if this is related either.
Edit 2: See video of slave at post #31.
Also, I rebuilt the clutch master cylinder a year or so ago (it was leaking) so I doubt it has anything to do with that, could it maybe be the slave? Something else?
Edit: Also, my clutch has recectly started slipping a little if I'm in gear at low rpms and gun it, I thought it was just slowly wearing out, but could this be any part of the problem? Another thing too, if I put the car in reverse and then neutral, it will stay in reverse and I have to put it into another gear and then back to neutral to get it in neutral, I don't know if this is related either.
Edit 2: See video of slave at post #31.
Last edited by hoyshnin; Nov 16, 2007 at 05:48 PM.
When my engine is running, it is hard to shift into any gear, I have to push pretty hard to between every shift. If I have the engine off, though, I can push the clutch in and shift very easily and smoothly. Does this mean the hydraulics (cluch master and slave cylinders) are working fine but I have a problem elsewhere? What could it be? It's getting pretty bad.
Also, I rebuilt the clutch master cylinder a year or so ago (it was leaking) so I doubt it has anything to do with that, could it maybe be the slave? Something else?
Also, I rebuilt the clutch master cylinder a year or so ago (it was leaking) so I doubt it has anything to do with that, could it maybe be the slave? Something else?
Hm, so what would cause the clutch not to go in all the way? Would it be a clutch adjustment issue, or could it be a bad slave cylinder? What are other possible reasons it's so notchy?
If a master goes out, is it always due to leaking? I don't think I've been loosing much fluid, can it still go bad and retain the fluid?
My clutch also slips a little bit if I gun it while at low rpms, would this be related at all? I just figured my clutch was slowly going out (See edit above).
Last edited by hoyshnin; Nov 14, 2007 at 06:20 AM.
1. if your clutch is slipping you need a new clutch.
2. If you're having problems getting it in gear while running and not when the engine is off, you either have a bad TO bearing, improperly bled clutch hydraulic system, or a failing master/slave cylinder. I would vote on the first one personally. it'll be easy to see when you pull the tranny to replace the clutch- and the new clutch kit comes with a new TO bearing. so if the problem is still there once you replace the clutch, start looking at hydraulics.
2. If you're having problems getting it in gear while running and not when the engine is off, you either have a bad TO bearing, improperly bled clutch hydraulic system, or a failing master/slave cylinder. I would vote on the first one personally. it'll be easy to see when you pull the tranny to replace the clutch- and the new clutch kit comes with a new TO bearing. so if the problem is still there once you replace the clutch, start looking at hydraulics.
Most of your so called "mechanics" in shops nowadays are no more than parts changers(i.e keep swapping parts until they find the broken part)
1. if your clutch is slipping you need a new clutch.
2. If you're having problems getting it in gear while running and not when the engine is off, you either have a bad TO bearing, improperly bled clutch hydraulic system, or a failing master/slave cylinder. I would vote on the first one personally. it'll be easy to see when you pull the tranny to replace the clutch- and the new clutch kit comes with a new TO bearing. so if the problem is still there once you replace the clutch, start looking at hydraulics.
2. If you're having problems getting it in gear while running and not when the engine is off, you either have a bad TO bearing, improperly bled clutch hydraulic system, or a failing master/slave cylinder. I would vote on the first one personally. it'll be easy to see when you pull the tranny to replace the clutch- and the new clutch kit comes with a new TO bearing. so if the problem is still there once you replace the clutch, start looking at hydraulics.
If your clutch is slipping and it's not fully disengaging when the pedal is on the floor, then it's not the hydraulic system- at least it's not the whole problem. a slipping clutch simply needs to be replaced.
do you figure his clutch could have worn prematurely by not fully disengaging, therefore putting unnecessary wear on the clutch disc in mid-shift, or worse, if he leaves it in gear with the clutch depressed at stop lights? I agree that his clutch is on its way out, but i was thinking there could be a little cause-and-effect going on.
do you figure his clutch could have worn prematurely by not fully disengaging, therefore putting unnecessary wear on the clutch disc in mid-shift, or worse, if he leaves it in gear with the clutch depressed at stop lights? I agree that his clutch is on its way out, but i was thinking there could be a little cause-and-effect going on.
slave, master, air bubbles in the line, low fluid level, leaks... or a poorly adjusted pedal. there are probably things in the clutch plate/pp/TOBearing that could make that happen too but i'm not an expert on that stuff.
yaknow if your gas pedal is just a half inch off the stopper at rest, you're never going to hit WOT? same sort of thing. if your pedal is too low you're never going to get full travel on the hydraulics.
Ok, well I recently bled the system, I rebuilt the master about a year ago so I'll replace the slave first I guess and then the master if that doesn't work.
I'm not sure the line itself isn't leaking, I'll check that, I haven't loosened any bolts, only the bleeder valve in the slave cylinder, but I checked that and found it was on tight. I'll look over the line to check if it's leaking though.
If the pedal adjustment was bad, though, wouldn't I be grinding gears? I dont' experience any grinding.
I have to agree with Matt. I had the same problem and since I had recently replaced the clutch I went ahead and replaced my master and slave as well, but the problem continued. It turned out to be a faulty clutch that I had recently installed.
....... just change the slipping clutch and install a new TO bearing while you're in there. you know you need to do it, and it could be the cause of all of the problems.
to mess with the hydraulics right now, you're just throwing parts (money) at the car- not doing any real diagnostics.
So do you want to waste an afternoon and $60 worth of parts, or do you want to fix the problem?
to mess with the hydraulics right now, you're just throwing parts (money) at the car- not doing any real diagnostics.
So do you want to waste an afternoon and $60 worth of parts, or do you want to fix the problem?
....... just change the slipping clutch and install a new TO bearing while you're in there. you know you need to do it, and it could be the cause of all of the problems.
to mess with the hydraulics right now, you're just throwing parts (money) at the car- not doing any real diagnostics.
So do you want to waste an afternoon and $60 worth of parts, or do you want to fix the problem?
to mess with the hydraulics right now, you're just throwing parts (money) at the car- not doing any real diagnostics.
So do you want to waste an afternoon and $60 worth of parts, or do you want to fix the problem?
pop the hood and start looking around. have a helper push the pedal and hold it while you're checking stuff out.
see if the slave cylinder moves a lot or not much...
..... but you're still wasting your time.
see if the slave cylinder moves a lot or not much...
..... but you're still wasting your time.
just change the clutch ha... before it breaks while your driving home just finishing a shopping day with the girlfriend on your 2 year anniversary...
So now Im trying to replace my clutch, flywheel, slave cyl, and master cyl
You can prolly still drive it for a lil while more (IDK the condition of your car) because I did... I just dont like to let go of my monies... but since I waited!... I spent WAY more than I woulda liked and have a second vehicle now ha...
So now Im trying to replace my clutch, flywheel, slave cyl, and master cyl

You can prolly still drive it for a lil while more (IDK the condition of your car) because I did... I just dont like to let go of my monies... but since I waited!... I spent WAY more than I woulda liked and have a second vehicle now ha...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0NMscDim53Y
I think the hydrolics look good, but from what I understand from reading other posts, if I can move the fork at the end of the slave (this is the fork under the boot, right?) up and down, then it means my TO bearing is worn out. I checked it and I can move it a good 1/2 centimeter up and down. Is this normal, or is this a sign of a worn out TO bearing?
Well I tried it and here's the video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0NMscDim53Y
I think the hydrolics look good, but from what I understand from reading other posts, if I can move the fork at the end of the slave (this is the fork under the boot, right?) up and down, then it means my TO bearing is worn out. I checked it and I can move it a good 1/2 centimeter up and down. Is this normal, or is this a sign of a worn out TO bearing?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0NMscDim53Y
I think the hydrolics look good, but from what I understand from reading other posts, if I can move the fork at the end of the slave (this is the fork under the boot, right?) up and down, then it means my TO bearing is worn out. I checked it and I can move it a good 1/2 centimeter up and down. Is this normal, or is this a sign of a worn out TO bearing?
clutch judder I believe, is a sign of a bad TO bearing
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to me it does not look like the cylinder is coming all the way out but if your clutch is slipping when its engaged fully its gone. but before you go and blow all your money on a new clutch, fix what made it bad in the first place. then replace the clutch
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