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Old Dec 15, 2007 | 03:06 PM
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4th gens have factory alarms? Mine is engaged and car wont start

My antitheft went crazy. It wont let me start the car and all the lock/unlock functions on drivers door panel dont respond. My key fob doesnt work either. I just hear a lot of clicking noises coming from the doors whenever I try to use my key fob or the door controls. They dont function, the doors remain locked.

I've ripped the flooboards apart and only found wires that led to an old car phone setup, no aftermarket alarm

Called the Nissan dealership up and they tell me that our cars dont have factory alarms, just keyless entry. I told him that mine seems to have it and the fuse box in the engine compartment says antitheft in clear lettering. But he insisted that it is not possible.

I called up an alarm guy who said he can get my car started, not sure if I should have him come out. I heard there is no reset switch (aka valet switch) for factory car alarms.
Old Dec 15, 2007 | 03:12 PM
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try putting the key in the door and unlocking it.
Old Dec 15, 2007 | 03:34 PM
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try putting the key in the door and unlocking it.
Yeah, I know when I first got my car I didn't get the fob for it. I went into a store and my gf stayed in the car and locked all the doors. When I came out she reached over and unlocked my door and the alarm started going off. I had no idea how to turn it off and was going crazy until a guy that works there came out and showed me to unlock the door with the key. Kind of cool that the alarm works without fob. Sucks if you don't know what to do...
Old Dec 15, 2007 | 03:48 PM
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Yes our cars do have factory alarms. If the key thing does not work just lock the car using the key fob and then unlock it. There is probably nothing wrong with your system it only needs to be reset.
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If that does not do it, disconnect the battery for a short time, that may reset it.
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Thanks for the replies, I've done all that. I've tried to lock the doors and then unlock them and then start the car. It always fails. Then the keyfob and doorpanels become nonfunctional and I got to disconnect the battery and reconnect again. I think it's possessed.

The only thing I havent done is stick the key into On, leave it there, and then disconnect the battery, reconnect. Not sure what that does but I've had some people tell me to do that.

I'm glad to hear that I'm not crazy and that 4th gen Maximas DO come with a factory alarm. I have a 96 GLE btw.
Old Dec 15, 2007 | 04:18 PM
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Ok when my car was in an accident... my hood sensor would always set my alarm off so i decided i would be a wise guy and take out the horn fuse. After about a week, i got sick of no horn and no cruise control. So i put it back in and took out the anti theft fuse. It worked for a week. Then when i was on my break at Burger King (30minute break) my car decided that it would deter me from restarting my car by alarming every time i put my key into the ignition. I finally found the anti theft fuse and replaced it but nothing happened. After two offers to drive me back to work I finally figured out that if you replace the fuse, then remove/reset the anti theft relay... the car resets. It worked for me.

Oh and when my car was detering me from starting it... I couldn't use my Key FOB and the Ign would click. It wasn't a alt clicking sound. It was from the anti theft doing its job.

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Old Dec 15, 2007 | 04:46 PM
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Ok when my car was in an accident... my hood sensor would always set my alarm off so i decided i would be a wise guy and take out the horn fuse. After about a week, i got sick of no horn and no cruise control. So i put it back in and took out the anti theft fuse. It worked for a week. Then when i was on my break at Burger King (30minute break) my car decided that it would deter me from restarting my car by alarming every time i put my key into the ignition. I finally found the anti theft fuse and replaced it but nothing happened. After two offers to drive me back to work I finally figured out that if you replace the fuse, then remove/reset the anti theft relay... the car resets. It worked for me.

Oh and when my car was detering me from starting it... I couldn't use my Key FOB and the Ign would click. It wasn't a alt clicking sound. It was from the anti theft doing its job.

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God if that works you've made my week. I been without a ride for a week.
You mean the antitheft fuse in the fuse box in the driver's side, in the engine right? I'm guess the replay is the one on the passenger side in the engine bay.

So I have to:

1. replace the antitheft fuse with a new one.
2. remove the antitheft relay, and then put it back.
(do I need to disconnect the battery while doing this?)


Why would I need to replace the antitheft fuse if its not broken? Anyone know if their are any spares in the car somewhere? Else I gotta borrow a ride from someone and go get a fuse from Autozone.

There is a fuse box underneath the driver's a/c vent too. I'll give it a try. Will update you guys if it works.

I'm getting the same clicking noises.

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Old Dec 15, 2007 | 05:55 PM
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No didnt work. Replaced the fuse with a spare. Removed the antitheft relay, stuck it back. Still armed. I noticed that the security LED was still on even though I took out the fuse. That's supposed to happen?????

Anyone know how I can just disable that stupid antitheft altogether? I dont know how its even getting power with the relay and fuse off.
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Did you check your battery? Doe's your radio or lights come on? .
Old Dec 15, 2007 | 11:40 PM
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Did you check your battery? Doe's your radio or lights come on? .
Radio wont work. The only lights that come on are the interior dome light and the door lights. Nothing else would turn on, the radio, headlights, etc. Heck even the clock doesnt work. It only comes back on if I stick the key in, turn to ON, and then d/c the battery and connect. Then that somehow at least let's electricity to the clock. Soon as I turn to START, back to the same old routine. Battery is brand new and good for 5 years supposedly. Got it from Costco for $60 so it's not a cheap battery.

As soon as I put the key into the ignition and turn it to on, then I would just hear clicking noises coming from behind the dash it seems, and all the locks. Like I said before, then the door panel controls become inoperative.

I've d/c the battery and left it overnigh for 3 nights, it doesnt do anything to reset the alarm or remove whatever is cutting off power to my ignition. I dont know how alarms work so it's a mystery to me.

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Old Dec 16, 2007 | 01:21 AM
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This happened to me once when my battery got drained overnight. (I think I had a soft drink bottle wedged onto the power seat switch.) Anyway when I tried to jump start the car, it wouldn't crank. I had to press lock and unlock on the key fob and then the car would start.

I know you said you were disconnecting and reconnecting your battery, but is there any way you can get some jumper cables to a known good battery and then use the key fob to lock and unlock? I'm hoping your car will then start. I've tried to read this thread carefully - I'm sorry if you've tried this and I missed it.
Old Dec 16, 2007 | 01:36 AM
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This happened to me once when my battery got drained overnight. (I think I had a soft drink bottle wedged onto the power seat switch.) Anyway when I tried to jump start the car, it wouldn't crank. I had to press lock and unlock on the key fob and then the car would start.

I know you said you were disconnecting and reconnecting your battery, but is there any way you can get some jumper cables to a known good battery and then use the key fob to lock and unlock? I'm hoping your car will then start. I've tried to read this thread carefully - I'm sorry if you've tried this and I missed it.
Yeah I tried that. The battery is only 5 days old. I thought that was what the problem was initially until I realized it was the alarm cutting off electricity to the starter. But I got a new battery anyway. I wish it was that simple. I was playing around with putting the key in and out and turning to ACC and ON, somehow the door lock controls worked and even the headlight yellow lights came on, as well as the radio. As soon as I turned the key to start. Electricity gets cut again.

I am wondering maybe if I have a bad relay???

Thanks for the input anyway. It's 1:30am. Not too fun working on it outside in the cold. The stupid windows are rolled down too b/c I held onto the unlock too long one time and they all came down. Cant get them back up b/c no current going to them.
Old Dec 16, 2007 | 01:40 AM
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My sister had the same problem in ger 3rd gen and called me and this is what I told her to do and it worked.

Get out of the car, lock the doors before shutting door, close door, go to LR tire, kick 2 times, go to trunk, unlock with key and reclose trunk, go to RR tire kick 2 times, go to passenger door and unlock with key(if no keyhole in passenger door skip this step), Go to RF tire kick 2 times, Go to LF tire kick 2 times, Go to driver door and unlock and relock door, Repeat all steps 2 times and car will start.

Worked great for my 20 yr old blonde sister. Good luck
Old Dec 16, 2007 | 02:50 AM
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The blond sister thing is funny

My father and law just had the same thing happen in his Honda accord. He took the Batt cable off and back on and it worked.

Mabey you should get the relay tested
Old Dec 16, 2007 | 03:17 AM
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u have to check the brain to the alarm and make sure that it works u get a tester and use it when u press the remote buttons make sure the brain is sendin out the signal my friend from the otha org had the same similar problem he met up wit me in my crib in bk nd we went to my guy and he fixed it nd all
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Do all 4th Gens have alarms or just SE Model
Old Dec 16, 2007 | 08:10 AM
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What year is your car?
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It may not be the alarm thats causing your problem.
It could be a bad ignition switch. They are known to fail in our cars.
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Originally Posted by JonBlz
u have to check the brain to the alarm and make sure that it works u get a tester and use it when u press the remote buttons make sure the brain is sendin out the signal my friend from the otha org had the same similar problem he met up wit me in my crib in bk nd we went to my guy and he fixed it nd all
Well it is a factory alarm. Beats me where they hid it. Only place I havent checked is near the console, below the cigarette ashtray. The ECU is in the way and i didnt see any leads coming out of there.
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It may not be the alarm thats causing your problem.
It could be a bad ignition switch. They are known to fail in our cars.
Well, that could be, but how would a bad ignition switch explain my door panel not letting me lock r unlock the doors???? Plus, the keyless entry should've worked too.

I am pretty positive it's the damn alarm. I've deprogrammed the key fob again last night by putting in and out and turning it to ACC and ON (almost sounds sexual ). I figured maybe that might reset the stupid thing. Nah, all it did was erase my keyfob. Now I need to reset it somehow and get it reprogrammed again.

It happened during the week and I did it somehow, deprogram it, and then reprogram it again the next day or two. I never remember what sequences I use to allow it to happen tho.

Oh btw, somehow before I deprogrammed my key, I fooled around with it and got my radio to come back on. Power got restored to my radio and dash lights....until I tried to start again. Was short and fleeting but it gave a little hope.

Some alarm guys on Craigslist say they can start it for pretty good price. I may have to let them. Not sure if I can trust them but I dont know any better. I should say that I'm not gonna pay unless they can actually get it working. What do you guys think?
Old Dec 16, 2007 | 11:15 AM
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The clicking you hear is probably the circuit breakers, I think they are located under the dash. These circuit breakers reset automatically that is why they are clicking. One CB1 is for the power to power seats. The other one CB 2 is for power to windows, sunroof, locks, antitheft and some other circuits. If you pull fuse labeled small f, its 30A it will quit down the clicking and means that there is a problem with one of those circuits. If it does not stop clicking then I am wrong. I think if you were to disable the alarm by pulling a fuse the car probably would not start.
Old Dec 16, 2007 | 07:47 PM
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The clicking you hear is probably the circuit breakers, I think they are located under the dash. These circuit breakers reset automatically that is why they are clicking. One CB1 is for the power to power seats. The other one CB 2 is for power to windows, sunroof, locks, antitheft and some other circuits. If you pull fuse labeled small f, its 30A it will quit down the clicking and means that there is a problem with one of those circuits. If it does not stop clicking then I am wrong. I think if you were to disable the alarm by pulling a fuse the car probably would not start.
Nopike,

Which fuse are you talking about? I didnt see any fuses labelled CB1 or 2 in the drive's panel fuse box.

I checked the engine compartment fuse box too, the one to the right of the battery. Didnt see it there either.
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I was trying to help a girl break into her car once when her alarm was on the fritz. A bunch of mexicans walked up and in 5 minutes they had her car started.(It was a Grand Am not a Maxima.) I speak spanish but I didn't let them know. I overheard one of them say in spanish. "We break into cars all the time." Maybe we should ask them.

That representative at Nissan that you talked to probably never worked on any of the cars. Sometimes cashiers answer and they think that they know about cars because they work at that dealership. Or the person got the Maxima mixed up with another vechile.

I'm surprised that removing the fuse didn't reset the alarm. I think the best thing you can do right now is have someone come and try to start the car. That will tell you for sure whether that is the problem or not. But find someone that will let you pay after they get the car started.

I take it that you might have a chip in your key that allows you to start your car. I wonder if it could be broken??? Just a thought.
Old Dec 16, 2007 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Divewjason
I was trying to help a girl break into her car once when her alarm was on the fritz. A bunch of mexicans walked up and in 5 minutes they had her car started.(It was a Grand Am not a Maxima.) I speak spanish but I didn't let them know. I overheard one of them say in spanish. "We break into cars all the time." Maybe we should ask them.

That representative at Nissan that you talked to probably never worked on any of the cars. Sometimes cashiers answer and they think that they know about cars because they work at that dealership. Or the person got the Maxima mixed up with another vechile.

I'm surprised that removing the fuse didn't reset the alarm. I think the best thing you can do right now is have someone come and try to start the car. That will tell you for sure whether that is the problem or not. But find someone that will let you pay after they get the car started.

I take it that you might have a chip in your key that allows you to start your car. I wonder if it could be broken??? Just a thought.
Haha. That's a funny story. Heard quite a few already on this thread. The blonde sister one was not bad either, bet she is cute to boot. Oddly enough car thieves can actually make a lot of money by helping people like me and making a living legally. No, my 96 has no chip in it. I think I will just have to pay someone. I don't know why pulling the fuse didnt disconnect the antitheft either.

Appreciate everyone's comments. Even if I had no luck so far. Sometimes, people just get lucky somtimes. I got lucky last time when it happened and got it working out of pure stupid luck. I think the best bet is to disarm the stupid thing, hate to have it keep happening every 6 months out of whim.
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Have you tried locking and unlocking the door on the passenger side of the car yet with the key?

That resets most Nissan factory alarms if ya didn't know....you have to use the passenger door lock though from outside.
Old Dec 17, 2007 | 10:04 AM
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call me at this # (909) 923-7600 i think i can help.
Old Dec 17, 2007 | 10:57 AM
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i had similar problem with gf's toyota...we changed to battery for the fob and everything was fine...try that...maybe that might help...
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Have you tried locking and unlocking the door on the passenger side of the car yet with the key?

That resets most Nissan factory alarms if ya didn't know....you have to use the passenger door lock though from outside.
Yes I tried doing that. I closed it from the outside with my key, held it for 2 seconds. Then turned it open for 2 seconds. Tried unlocking the truck with the key first too, since that's supposed to disarm everything.

Battery on Key Fob was replaced. It's new. I know the transmitter works fine b/c I've had it where it actually unlocks/locks/ and open the trunk....when it worked for fleeting moments twice the past week. However, as soon as the key goes to start. It goes to lockdown mode.
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I wish there was a way to rip out our antitheft system... cause it gave me a headache. After i got my aftermarket alarm installed at best buymy alarm would still go off randomly. We eventually narrowed it down and figured out the hood sensor was at fault. Just disconnected that. A sensor made my alarm go off. You car sounds like
somethings shorting w/your theft system. Possibly something in your ign.

The steps have to be done in a certain sequence to reset. Try disconnecting Relay, then disconnecting battery, pull and put back good fuse, put back relay, then connect battery. If that doesn't work... switch up the order. This happened to me a year ago so im not 100% on the steps.

Yea if that don't work, i'd bring it to nissan or get someone that has offered to give it a look cause no car has to suck.
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 12:27 PM
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Hey Just a thought,


Try disconnecting both positive and negitive and touching them briefly to reset your comp
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 05:40 PM
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i'll try all the new suggestions tomorrow and get back to you guys. thanks gang. i'm fasionably late taking my dental exam thursday. it'd be cool to have the old jalopy working to take me there.
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Nopike,

Which fuse are you talking about? I didnt see any fuses labelled CB1 or 2 in the drive's panel fuse box.

I checked the engine compartment fuse box too, the one to the right of the battery. Didnt see it there either.
Circuit breakers 1 & 2 are not fuses. I believe they are located under the dash near the fuse box. Not that this information will really solve your problem, it may help to narrow it down. I'm not sure where f fuse is, I looked also.

Kind of out there but can't hurt to try (Got info from FSM). I realize some has already been suggested but try anyway exactly as instructed.
1) To erase the memory, turn the ignition switch to “OFF” position and remove 7.5A fuse (No. 56 , located in the fuse and fusible link box). I think this erases/resets the alarm memory.

2)Canceling the set theft warning system
When the following (a) or (b) operation is performed, the armed phase is canceled. (a) Unlock the doors with the key or multi-remote controller.
(b) Open the trunk lid with the key. When the trunk lid is closed after opening the trunk lid with the key, the system returns to the armed phase.

3) THEFT WARNING SYSTEM DEACTIVATION
To deactivate the theft warning system, a door or the trunk lid must be unlocked with the key or remote controller.

I wonder if one of your switches for one of the doors, the trunk and the hood is not working properly so the car thinks it is always open. Although should reset even it it is the case. Take a look at these switches make sure they work normally and are not broken. Good Luck!
Old Dec 19, 2007 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Nopike

Kind of out there but can't hurt to try (Got info from FSM). I realize some has already been suggested but try anyway exactly as instructed.
1) To erase the memory, turn the ignition switch to “OFF” position and remove 7.5A fuse (No. 56 , located in the fuse and fusible link box). I think this erases/resets the alarm memory.

2)Canceling the set theft warning system
When the following (a) or (b) operation is performed, the armed phase is canceled. (a) Unlock the doors with the key or multi-remote controller.
(b) Open the trunk lid with the key. When the trunk lid is closed after opening the trunk lid with the key, the system returns to the armed phase.

3) THEFT WARNING SYSTEM DEACTIVATION
To deactivate the theft warning system, a door or the trunk lid must be unlocked with the key or remote controller.

I wonder if one of your switches for one of the doors, the trunk and the hood is not working properly so the car thinks it is always open. Although should reset even it it is the case. Take a look at these switches make sure they work normally and are not broken. Good Luck!
Tried 2 and 3. It didn't disarm it. I even removed the trunk relay. My key fob unlocks/locks the doors but the trunk release wasnt working and it was making clicking noises. So I just disconnected the relay. Remove that as a source of error now I guess.

As for (1) my fuse box (96 maxima) doesnt go up to 56. It's more like in the 30-40 range.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/928692/fuses.jpg

BTW, how do you insert pictures here?

Lastly, the Autozone guy said it might be my starter. Don't think a starter would have problems with the security and my doors not locking/unlocking though.

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disconect the batttery for 20 mins bro
Old Dec 22, 2007 | 05:08 AM
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i know when i put in my remote start i had to disconect something under the radio. im not at home so when i get home later ill try to find the wiring diagram that i had to work off of. i know it was for the factory alarm but the wires could be diferent because i have a 95 se.
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7.5A fuse (No. 56 , located in the fuse and fusible link box). Fuse fusible link box is under the hood near the battery.
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Originally Posted by joepino
i know when i put in my remote start i had to disconect something under the radio. im not at home so when i get home later ill try to find the wiring diagram that i had to work off of. i know it was for the factory alarm but the wires could be diferent because i have a 95 se.
You got the exact same looking car as me. I havent taken the radio apart. Maybe I should do that. See if the wires in there are ok.
Old Dec 23, 2007 | 01:34 AM
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disconect the batttery for 20 mins bro
Man, I disconnected it for 3 days at a time. No pass.
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I think your alarm is armed and disabling the starter.

You have to look up which wire is the ground for the starter from the alarm, cut the alarm out, and be SURE to ground the starter.



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