Which engine do you believe would make more fully modded? Even though I have only seen 2 VE dynos (both automagic) I have seen alot of VQ autos in with various mods. It looks like the VEs have on average 2-6fwhp more in the 5900-6500rpm range. However under that they tie the VQs from 5000-5900rpm but are around 7-15fwtq less from 3000-4900rpm. Given the fact that the VE's have the same valve timing as the VG30DE's do and how the VQs have less valve timing. The VE given equal mods should have more toppend power/speed. Now here is a good question would any of you give up your 5-15fwtq advantage in the midrange to gain 3-7fwhp in the toppend? hmmm

P.S. VE power! (no I don't own one but I might so I can do that ).

 

 

nismo I still never got your email.

 

Keep im mind the VE weighs about 200lb's more then the VQ.

 

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but it can handle more boost. i know this is an NA thread, but i'm just sayin'.....

 

pk

 

Good question, I think they are pretty much equal motors. Nissan made the VQ based off the VE. I think the VQ is built more reliable in which it probably couldnt handle as much. This is a perfect topic for me right now. I think the VE will take out a VQ on top end. I have had 2 people in my car besides me. And ran against an auto VQ member of the board. And needless to say I was running even and slightly pulling. And that is with an extra 300lbs in the car. I am an auto also, I have seen VE 5 speeds and VQ 5 speeds run 1/4's and they are pretty much even. Besides maybe Nissan knows something that is why they put 145mph gauges on the VE and 140mph gauges on the VQ. And Nismo go VE 5 speed and feel the power...VE POWER! OWNS YOU

 

traitor.... what happen to the VG-T plans Nismo??

 

race my slow VQ.

 

hehe, no VQ is slow

 

i think the VQ would be more realiable and smoother then the VE. dont forget its lighter also. How come the VE can handle more boost then the VQ? if anything i think it would be about the same...and whats that VTC thing all VE owners complain about??? sup with that? hehe

 

the VQ isnt afraid to race

 

1. Lower Compression.
2. Iron block.

Are you sure the VE weighs 200lbs more? I thought it was 100lbs more

 

Actually I beleive the compression is the same. I know the VE is 10:1 along with the VQ. I think it is because the VE is an iron block, and the VQ has alot of titanium internals.

 

I think its more like 100lbs.

 

I think that the VQ would be a much better NA buildup motor than the VE, however the VE may have the advantage to a boosted buildup because a lot of the Z32 internals will go in a VE(like pistons, cams, rods, etc.) I think since VQ's are so much more common and parts for them are way more in abundance than a VE, if you had the option go with the VQ. Unfortunately they didn't stuff it in a very good looking body and no LSD, no IRS, and all the other cost cutting that took place.

 

I got LSD

Peace

 

My car getting junked basically killed those plans . However if I do find a good condition 2nd or 3rd gen VG, the plans are a go. That is unless I find a VE that is in to good a shape to pass up.

 

I think the VE will probably be better, though I don't know much about it(but my dad does have an '89 3rd gen SE). However, we are talking about NA.
I'm assuming anything goes, so there's always the 3.5L stroker conversion for the VQ. I know you can punch out a VG block to at least 3.3L(that's what the Nissan trucks use), so maybe that will work for a VE too. But it sounds harder to do, comepared to the VQ conversion.

 

hmm, i didnt know those z32 parts would work in a VE...maybe there is hope for my internal engine upgrade idea muhahahahhaa

anyone have any idea if there is a stroker kit for the VE? i'm looking to go to 3.2L. what would i need if there isnt a kit availible?

 

Good topic Nismo...
I dont think anyone can really say which is/would be a better N/A build up. I mean, do we really have a built-up VE and a built-up VQ to compare? I think it would be pretty darn similar, obviously. Either way, you're not gonna be making a bad choice. Sure, I'd like to have that extra torque of the VQ, but I also really like my high-end. I've raced a couple VQ's pretty similarly modded to mine on the freeway, and slowly pulled on them till about 140. However, I'm sure the 1/4 might be a different story. All in all, I'd choose the VE. Not to mention I'm not a fan of the 4th/5th gen styling at all. I'd like to be different, take on a new challenge. There's a guy on this site that is heavily building up his VE N/A. I mean he's goin crazy with it. He doesnt really post much but you should try doing a search and getting in touch with him.

VE Power

 

I know what member you are talking about James. I think he has the VE block sitting in his garage right now. And is going to get like 400hp out of it, all internals...Full n/a build then we will see what a VE can do fully built

 

is his name maximamike?

 

Nah, it was like VE30DEPWR or MAXIMPWR or something like that.....

 

hmm, i wonder what maximamike's "monster VE" is going to consist of.
maximamike, care to answer?

 

I'm pretty sure he's going turbo...

 

Well, considering there is ONE and only ONE boosted VE in America(or at least common on the .org), supercharged or other wise. Why ask somebody who talks about what they are going to do than someone who could say either way first hand?

 

How much boost are you running with now? 5-6psi?
P.S. Do you work for Boeing?

 

czar I may need to talk with you about hookin me up with your secret/parts. In a year or so! And the man that is going all out on the VE is VE30DEPOWER just like james said.

 

exactly... sometimes its 5, but if its cold out I get 6.

I work for a Boeing subcontractor, but I am not sure how much longer I will be working.

 

Hey Czar how do you think that Lockeed Martin winning the rights to build that new vertical take off plane is going to effect boeing in the near future?

 

thats what he said last summer....come on Mikey speed it up!

 

I've got a bunch of metal welded together in my basement that looks like some odd shaped tubing, and 2 hairdryers that are connected to each other. What the hell?

 

 

i think the VE has a little more potential, with respect to off the shelf parts. a set of N/A Z32 pistons would do nicely for a bump in CR. if ya want to go lightweight internals all you have to do is buy the rods that fit a TURBO Z32, they have the same part #.

beign an owner of a 5sp VE & VQ i can say that stock for stock (190hp) my VE "feels" faster in the 130mph plus range. also Nissan is going back to the ideas that were used on the VE. dual path intake plenum-(2K and up), VTC-(2k2 and up and the new sentra)

i personally have out run my friends 01 max in my VE. it wasnt a fluke because we raced several times on I-291 and the Berlin tnpk/Wilbur Cross expressway. i either passed him if i was behind or pulled away if in front: slowly, a difference of ~5mph.

for those of you wondering about the full details here they are.

him: 01 5sp max with 3k miles
me: 93 5sp max with ghetto fab cai.
constructed of household dryer 3inch duct pipe. basiscally ribbed tinfoil that you can flex/bend into any shape/route. it runs from behind the fog light up behind the drivers headlight under the relay box and into the stock airbox inlet. i did have to crush it a little to get it behind the headlight. i also drilled a 3in hole my bumper skin so i could get direct cold air.

he has sold his max and bought a 5sp prelude (i dont know why) in an effort to get a faster car. i havn't raced him yet in either car but i'm looking forward to it.

it really sucks that the 01 max has a govorner 130mph, i dont know when i will get the chance race one without it.

my 2 cent.

 

sounds good, when you rev up the car you'll be able to dry your hair when you put your head near the exhaust!

 

Don't forget about the VQ30DET out of the nissan Cima, internals from this could be used also for a high boost setup, standard it puts out 208kw which is 270hp stock. Just something to think about.

 

A JDM spec VQ will beat a US spec VE. Or a VQ for that matter

 

well, if you're looking to clear out your basement, i'll take the whole setup. i'll even pay ya for it!

 

Are you talking about the z32 turbo or n/a internal's fitting in the VE?