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Old May 24, 2008 | 08:14 AM
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Ceramic vs. Semimetallic Brake Pads

I see that we don't have a thread on this and I don't know much about it either so I will post my research here.

Originally Posted by Keith Reinhardt
Although first introduced as far back as 1985 on some new vehicles, mass after-market applications for ceramic-based disc brake pads are just now becoming widely available. Approximately 33 percent of all new vehicles, domestic and foreign combined, now have ceramic-based disc brake pads. The newest generation of ceramic brake lining compounds contain no chopped steel fibers or steel wool as found in earlier semi-metallic linings, but instead substitute ceramic compounds and copper fibers. These changes provide modern ceramic-based lining materials the capability of handling today's high brake temperatures with less heat fade, faster recovery time, and less wear on both the pads and rotors.'

Of even more value to brake repair facilities is the ability of ceramic lining compounds to significantly reduce annoying brake noise or squeal, which is the No. 1 consumer complaint relating to brake service. Ceramic compounds dampen noise and move brake pad vibrations to a frequency outside of our human hearing range, 20 Hz through 20,000 Hz. As with earlier disc brake pad designs, some ceramic pad applications may also incorporate other noise-reducing features such as chamfers, slots and insulator shims. One leading after-market manufacturer has gone as far as naming its line of ceramic brake pads "Quiet Stop."

Another positive characteristic associated with ceramic brake lining materials is the absence of visible brake dust, a feature that any vehicle owner with stylish wheels will appreciate. All brake materials, ceramic included, will produce some brake dust. Earlier semi-metallic and organic brake compounds left a brownish black dust on wheels. In comparison, ceramic compounds produce a light-colored dust that is much less noticeable and does not attach itself to wheels.

Although an increase in product cost will more than likely be associated with ceramic-based brake linings, their benefits may be worthwhile for consumers. Based on their own durability tests, lining manufacturers say these compounds will outlast most other premium pad materials by a considerable margin. However, after-market brake pads with ceramic materials should only be used on those applications where the OEM specified a similar formula.
Originally Posted by Powerstop.com
Ceramic vs Metallic Pads

There are many rumors about ceramic pads causing excessive abrasive wear on the rotors or not holding up at high temperature. I conducted tests on 10 different metallic and ceramic pads to compare performance and wear characteristics.

The products included Hawk, Performance Friction, Raybestos, Power Stop, EBC, Akebono, Morse, and a widely used economy pad from China. There were five ceramic and 5 metallic pads. All data was performed using the test protocol in ISO NWI 2560 on a Chevy Tahoe front axle corner. The tests were run by Link Testing in Detroit. This is an aggressive test that pushes the pad to more than 1200 Fahrenheit, and conducts high speed stops, fade snubs and panic stops. One popular ceramic name brand pad did not make it through the test as it was completely consumed before the test ended. Therefore, I was only able to compare four ceramic and five metallic pads.

I measured and recorded the following:
. Rotor wear
. Pad wear
. Green friction coefficient (mu) - before the burnish or cure on the vehicle
. Fade snub friction coefficient (mu) - 15 consecutive stops without cooling
. Hot stop friction coefficient (mu) - above 1100 Fahrenheit
. Speed sensitivity - the percent change in mu at 160 kph vs 80 kph
. Pre-fade pedal pressure sensitivity - % change in mu
. Post fade pedal pressure sensitivity - % change in mu

Background:
About 25 years ago, we were using asbestos as the binding fiber for the friction compound. It was the ideal product to resist high temperature, and the barbs along the fiber captured various elements and contained it in a nice homogenous mix. When asbestos was phased out in the late 80's and early 90's, compounders had to find a good substitution for asbestos such as iron fibers, chopped kevlar or fiberglass. Development focused on a non-asbestos organic variety and a metallic type pad. That is, until Akebono developed the first ceramic pad. It was a giant leap in brake formulations because it provided outstanding noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) properties with stable mu over a wide temperature range. A true ceramic pad contains no ferrous metal, so there is no metal to metal contact between the pad and the rotor. However, the SAE has no definition of a ceramic pad to specify minimum contents of various elements. So a manufacturer could take a low metallic pad, sprinkle some ceramic stuff in the mix and call it ceramic. This has led to a wide variation in brake performance from brand to brand.
Are ceramic pads bad for your rotor?
Friction works primarily with two mechanisms: 1) abrasion and 2) adherence. Abrasive friction consumes the pad and/or the rotor with a cutting action. Adherent friction is when the pad material is deposited on the rotor, and a friction force is produced from the breaking of chemical bonds as material in this deposition layer is sheared. Abrasive pads will cause higher rotor wear (normally less than .002") and decrease rotor mass. Adherent type pads can actually increase rotor mass. At higher temperatures, adherent friction is the primary mode of producing a friction force.

In analyzing the test results, I found no correlation to make a general claim that ceramic pads are hard on rotors. In fact, it is clear that some metallic pads are more abrasive than some ceramic pads. The pads that were easiest on rotors were Akebono ceramic, Power Stop Z26 metallic and Performance Friction metallic.
Do metallic pads perform better than ceramic?
Under cold conditions, brake torque was not significantly different between ceramic and metallic pads. What I find interesting is what happens as temperature gets up to 1000 degrees. This is where metallic pads have the edge. Ceramic mu tends to drop at extreme conditions.
In summary, the general statement that all ceramic pads are hard on the rotor is false. There are advantages to ceramic pads in terms of uniform pedal pressure characteristics, low noise and low dust. Ceramic pads are a great street compound and can give better performance than some metallic pads. The advantage of metallic pads is improved high temperature performance. I recommend metallic pads for extreme performance such as hauling loads, track racing, towing trucks or traveling in mountains. Our Z36 series has super stopping power even at extreme temperatures. Power Stop offers Evolution ceramic with a nice compromise between pad bite and stability. Of all the products tested, Power Stop Evolution operates close to Akebono (the OE pad) in performance.
Originally Posted by Tirerack
Why Ceramic Brake Pads?

We want our vehicle's brake system to offer smooth, quiet braking capabilities under a wide range of temperature and road conditions. We don't want brake-generated noise and dust annoying us during our daily driving.

To accommodate this, brake friction materials have evolved significantly over the years. They've gone from asbestos to organic to semi-metallic formulations. Each of these materials has proven to have advantages and disadvantages regarding environmental friendliness, wear, noise and stopping capability.

Asbestos pads caused health issues and organic compounds can't always meet a wide range of braking requirements. Unfortunately the steel strands used in semi-metallic pads to provide strength and conduct heat away from rotors also generate noise and are abrasive enough to increase rotor wear.

Since they were first used on a few original equipment applications in 1985, friction materials that contain ceramic formulations have become recognized for their desirable blend of traits. These pads use ceramic compounds and copper fibers in place of the semi-metallic pad's steel fibers. This allows the ceramic pads to handle high brake temperatures with less heat fade, provide faster recovery after the stop, and generate less dust and wear on both the pads and rotors. And from a comfort standpoint, ceramic compounds provide much quieter braking because the ceramic compound helps dampen noise by generating a frequency beyond the human hearing range.

Another characteristic that makes ceramic materials attractive is the absence of noticeable dust. All brake pads produce dust as they wear. The ingredients in ceramic compounds produce a light colored dust that is much less noticeable and less likely to stick to the wheels. Consequently, wheels and tires maintain a cleaner appearance longer.

Ceramic pads meet or exceed all original equipment standards for durability, stopping distance and noise. According to durability tests, ceramic compounds extend brake life compared to most other semi-metallic and organic materials and outlast other premium pad materials by a significant margin - with no sacrifice in noise control, pad life or braking performance.

This is quite an improvement over organic and semi-metallic brake materials that typically sacrifice pad life to reduce noise, or vice versa.

List of pads:
Ceramic:
Akebono



Semi-metallic:
Axxis/PBR Metal Masters




Feel free to add to the lists. I see that the HAWK HPS is a ferro-compound pad so I dunno where it goes.


I feel that ceramic pads are better for the everyday driver and it is what I am going to put on my 300zx calipers. Semi-metallic seems better for the track user/aggressive racer/driver.
Old May 24, 2008 | 10:08 AM
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I've got some semi-metallic pads and they consistently squeal at low speeds. I'm going with ceramic next time around.
Old May 24, 2008 | 07:23 PM
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The Hawk HPS is a semi-metallic pad. Hawk does make a ceramic pad if you want to go that route. I tried a set of ceramic pads, they were quiet and clean but performance was poor. I will live with noise and dust for better performance. Depends what you want out of your brakes, if you push your car hard or track it go with metallics.
Old May 25, 2008 | 06:53 AM
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Seems to be what I read everywhere. For best performance, get semi metallics. But for least "dust" and normal drive ability, get ceramics.
Old Jun 6, 2008 | 07:27 AM
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Anyone want to recommend some pads for Z32 calipers?
Old Jun 6, 2008 | 07:03 PM
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Switched to Metal Masters a year and a half ago w/drilled&slotted rotors.Factory pads & rotors only lasted about 9mos. & had to be machined in that period.With these, warm to very hot,high speed stops are great, hotter is better.BUT those 1st stops when averything thing is cold require MORE pedal pressure.The trade off is worth it for me,I just worry about the guy behind me
Old Jul 6, 2008 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
Anyone want to recommend some pads for Z32 calipers?
im in the same boat as you , I been searching for some good pads but havent decided yet. I read some really good things on the Akebono pads so I might jump on these.
Old Jul 7, 2008 | 02:14 AM
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Satisfied makes everything from a basic non-metallic to a full ceramic. I use the carbon/ceramic and am very happy with everything except the price ($200/set).
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My question in all of this is why, if metallics are better for extreme use, are most extreme performance cars (Porsche Carrerra GT, Nissan GTR, Ferrari Enzo) all using ceramics in the rotors and in the pads?
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Originally Posted by jonmandude
My question in all of this is why, if metallics are better for extreme use, are most extreme performance cars (Porsche Carrerra GT, Nissan GTR, Ferrari Enzo) all using ceramics in the rotors and in the pads?


I believe that has to do with the ceramic rotors and pad combo. Since most cars have the metal rotors it is matched better with the metallic pads?
Old Jul 8, 2008 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by jonmandude
My question in all of this is why, if metallics are better for extreme use, are most extreme performance cars (Porsche Carrerra GT, Nissan GTR, Ferrari Enzo) all using ceramics in the rotors and in the pads?
The GT-R doesn't have ceramic brakes. At least not yet.

Carbon-ceramic rotors != ceramic pads and steel rotors. Big difference.
Old Jul 8, 2008 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
Anyone want to recommend some pads for Z32 calipers?
For the money, the posiquiets ceramic centric pads are nice. Also the Axxis ultimate if ceramic is your game. I believe they are made by centric as well though so i would pick the posiquiets.
Old Aug 5, 2008 | 10:31 AM
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I don't/haven't tracked the car or anything like that. But with coilovers, RSB, and 45 series tires I like to drive the car hard when I can and I'm rather aggressive on the streets and with other traffic.
I think I'll be happy with ceramic; no noise, less dust, better than stock.
Or should I really consider semi-metallic?
Also I will do this with blank replacement rotors.
Any suggestions? And brand???

Thanks
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I am resurrecting this thread (if that's ok, if not, my apologies) because I am having trouble deciding what to go with. I have an old 1997 maxima GLE at just under 150k miles and I doubt the rotors have ever been replaced.

The brakes are in need of some changing. My friend who works at nissan said the lowest he can go is 200 with OEM parts per axle (total cost after parts and labor, taxes etc). Not sure if those are ceramic or semi metallic.

Most places like monro and meineke, firestone etc offer to replace pads at about 100$ per axle and they use whatever aftermarkets are part of the deal, sometimes they include resurfacing (not sure I want to resurface as I hear it reduces the rotor life quite a bit.)

A firestone deal is offering resurfacing and wagner thermo-quiet ceramic pads (which have good reviews incidentally). I am not exactly flush with cash, and I just want to do the right thing....so I can keep my costs down at the moment and really, down the road. here is the link to the pads with some reviews: http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/web...ner_20450315-p

I am in Connecticut, so we have long harsh winters too, if that means anything.

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resurfacing the rotors or replacing them is necessary for optimal performance. resurfacing is just machining off some of the surface. it doesn't really reduce the life per se. it reduces the thickness a little bit, but if you just leave the rotors alone you'll have suboptimal performance anyways, so either grind away some of the surface or deal with suboptimal performance, depends which you want to do. on my cars that i drive hard i replace the rotors, on my daily driver honestly i just pad slap it (just put pads on and don't worry about the rotors unless they have significant issues with pad deposits or pitting or cracks or something like that).

i actually have wagner thermoquiet ceramics on one of my cars, i like them just fine, no complaints.
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Originally Posted by Nealoc187
resurfacing the rotors or replacing them is necessary for optimal performance. resurfacing is just machining off some of the surface. it doesn't really reduce the life per se. it reduces the thickness a little bit, but if you just leave the rotors alone you'll have suboptimal performance anyways, so either grind away some of the surface or deal with suboptimal performance, depends which you want to do. on my cars that i drive hard i replace the rotors, on my daily driver honestly i just pad slap it (just put pads on and don't worry about the rotors unless they have significant issues with pad deposits or pitting or cracks or something like that).

i actually have wagner thermoquiet ceramics on one of my cars, i like them just fine, no complaints.
Thanks for the reply . So do you feel the notion that ceramics are harsher on rotors compared to semi metallic's to be a false one? Also, I am in new england and often have to brake in really cold conditions, and I have read ceramics have trouble in the cold until they "warm up". Any thoughts?
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