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Old Jan 7, 2002 | 02:32 PM
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Top Speed in 4th Gen...Part XXII!

Yeah yeah, I know it's dangerous, but I just gotta know sometimes....
The temp was 15 degrees out and a few moths ago WITHOUT my OSCAI, I couldn't pass 128. After my install, I hit 133 and ran out of road...but I don't think it was going much more after that. Just thought I'd share...

oh yeah, does anybody have a top speed run comparison with a y-pipe and then without?

Thanks!
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 02:39 PM
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Plenty of people with Ypipes get up to 150 easy. But I dont know how much of it was because of the Ypipe or if it just got them there faster.

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Old Jan 7, 2002 | 02:43 PM
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Plenty of people with Ypipes get up to 150 easy. But I dont know how much of it was because of the Ypipe or if it just got them there faster.

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hmmm. btw, do you know the top speed of a stock max? 140?
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 02:49 PM
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hmmm. btw, do you know the top speed of a stock max? 140?
A stock Max (4th Gen) will hit about 140. Most won't quite make it, but pretty close.
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not enough speedo for this one.
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 03:30 PM
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Once, on a lone, long, abandoned hwy in the middle of nowhere*, our fearless SpeedRacer hit 144 mph (indicated) in his bone-stock Fed spec. 1995 Maxima SE, 5-speed. -He might have even made it one or two more clicks, but ran out of road.

Hey, like the others before me, I just had to know. May the Ralph Nader "protect me from myself" finger-wagging minions flame on!



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Old Jan 7, 2002 | 03:51 PM
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he hit 140 in his stock maxima. i have passed 140 in my modded auto.
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 03:51 PM
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144, then an uphill, where I lost speed. Haven't tried again since.
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 04:22 PM
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I wouldn't say easy. The Max gets to 130 mph quite quickly, you almost don't think about it. But the 130-140 part takes some time, you've got to make sure there's plenty of road and free space.

Also, when I 1st got my Max, after doing a basic tune-up, I got it to 140 mph, stock with only a K&N panel filter.

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Originally posted by SuDZ
Plenty of people with Ypipes get up to 150 easy. But I dont know how much of it was because of the Ypipe or if it just got them there faster.

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Old Jan 7, 2002 | 04:35 PM
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144, then an uphill, where I lost speed. Haven't tried again since.
funny how you are exact with your top speed
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by JdawgX


A stock Max (4th Gen) will hit about 140. Most won't quite make it, but pretty close.

nice sig pic


My top speed was only around 100 or so. I ran out of room and didn't think it was safe going faster on crappy tires with hub caps.
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I hit 140 bone stock.. now i go 150 and beyond
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 04:56 PM
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funny how you are exact with your top speed
Now if only your comment made sense... Doesn't take a genius to guesstimate if there are no numbers. 144 is just about 140. Any other wiseass comments?
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 05:04 PM
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how do you calculate it past 140?
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by JoesMAX
how do you calculate it past 140?
With the tach.
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by Confused
not enough speedo for this one.
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 05:48 PM
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138 in my 95 SE with intake/exhaust then i ran out of road, definitley could have gone more! and the mustang gt 10 car lengths behind me topped out at 130.
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 06:04 PM
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what about the guys with 18 inch rims......how high have u guys hit??
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 06:33 PM
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what about the guys with 18 inch rims......how high have u guys hit??
150 .. but size or rims doesn't matter at high speeds
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by 95emeraldgxe
what about the guys with 18 inch rims......how high have u guys hit??
140+
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Originally posted by bags533


140+
umm people... how come...my car only goes to 120?
yalll said stock it goes faster... i have intake... and exhaust
neither of them ment for my car... but... well.. it jus wont go faster
is it cause my car is gle or auto or 97 (new laws inforce better stricter governor) ...

i wrote this on PHAT2k1AE cause i dont wanna sign on mines righ tknow
cause he's alreayd on it....
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by NYCe MaXiMa



nice sig pic


Thanks, it was taken just after a high speed run up the canyon
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by PHAT2k1A.E.


umm people... how come...my car only goes to 120?
yalll said stock it goes faster... i have intake... and exhaust
neither of them ment for my car... but... well.. it jus wont go faster
is it cause my car is gle or auto or 97 (new laws inforce better stricter governor) ...

i wrote this on PHAT2k1AE cause i dont wanna sign on mines righ tknow
cause he's alreayd on it....


i don't know if gle's have limiters... i have a se auto... take od off and run it. it will take some room. if it losses power at 120 mph.. feels car hits a wall yes limiter.. if not keep foot on pedal and hopefully you will go till about 130 then turn od on
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by rOaD bEaSt
It is not easy to make your car fast at top speed you should always try to hold the accelarator for a long time at the last gear .

With out NOS I get my 150 Mile so easy I got that at 1.25 mile after that I feel that the maxima isn't going anymore but I keep going like more 2.5 mile more holding at this speed till I get 156.25 this is usual too

The hard thing is to get into 162.25 mile this is really hard you should have someone that is taking his druft for a long time and I was able to do that after my car was modified and I don't think that anyone gonna do that because it's really dangerous and I need a long time holding the pedal and it's not worth at all

At the end if you wanna have a good top speed try to hold at top speed as much as you can and this gonna make your car feel to do that ..

And your accelaration will be better ..

Do you know guys that before I wanna race I always accelrate my car for like 2 mile then I race ..

Hope this help .
i cant figure out why your car looks like an i30 but has maxima badges... what country are you from? can you fill me in on this info, thanks
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 09:24 PM
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My top speed before I had my y pipe was 116. I hit 140* still pulling the other day, which I must say is a bit hairy on stock wheels and raised up coilovers. I'd say that its good for 146-148 now. I'm not gonna try until spring though when I have some real tires and my car lowered again.

Motortrend got 142.1 out of a 4th gen in an all brands top speed test...
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 09:35 PM
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Geez...I wish I live near some of you guys where I can try an all out top speed test. Faster I have gone was 130mph, then I ran out of road. I know I could have gone faster because when I stop at 130mph, I was still pulling strongly.
Old Jan 7, 2002 | 09:54 PM
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Re: Top Speed in 4th Gen...Part XXII!

Originally posted by Str8ridin
Yeah yeah, I know it's dangerous, but I just gotta know sometimes....
The temp was 15 degrees out and a few moths ago WITHOUT my OSCAI, I couldn't pass 128. After my install, I hit 133 and ran out of road...but I don't think it was going much more after that. Just thought I'd share...

oh yeah, does anybody have a top speed run comparison with a y-pipe and then without?

Thanks!
Just wondering, what rims are those str8ridin?

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Old Jan 7, 2002 | 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by Confused
not enough speedo for this one.
I know what you mean when I topped out my 1996 at maybe 150-160 (yes downhill) the speedo was well beyond 140, but my 1996 SE didn't have any mods and a little extra weight from my two best friends, the one in the back said "theres a cavalier up...back there" I just started cracking up when he said that.
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Originally posted by rOaD bEaSt
I live in Bahrain It's in the middel east ..

It's called maxima over here ..
And you can see this at the rear at my tail light ..

All the cars like mine call Maxima in the middel east ..
thats pretty cool... its crazy to think that people from all different countries can come to this site
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Originally posted by rOaD bEaSt
This site helped me alot ..

Thanks guys I really love you all
Old Jan 8, 2002 | 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by SprintMax
150 .. but size or rims doesn't matter at high speeds
Sure they do. In most cases, larger rims have a higher rotational mass, meaning it takes more energy to rotate than a smaller rim, thus yeilding a slower accleration time and a lower top speed. Also, Larger rims have a greater contact patch which adds greater rolling resistance, which decreses top speed...for ex. 215 width vs. a 235 width tire.

However, if the distribution of mass through the tire/wheel package is equal for both stock and a larger wheel, some interesting things happen. If the overal tire/wheel package's diameter is larger than stock, the car will have a higher top speed. And vice versa, if the overal diameter of the tire and wheel is smaller, your top speed will be lower.

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Sure they do. In most cases, larger rims have a higher rotational mass, meaning it takes more energy to rotate than a smaller rim, thus yeilding a slower accleration time and a lower top speed. Also, Larger rims have a greater contact patch which adds greater rolling resistance, which decreses top speed...for ex. 215 width vs. a 235 width tire.

However, if the distribution of mass through the tire/wheel package is equal for both stock and a larger wheel, some interesting things happen. If the overal tire/wheel package's diameter is larger than stock, the car will have a higher top speed. And vice versa, if the overal diameter of the tire and wheel is smaller, your top speed will be lower.

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well i was talking about people with the right tire size..

and it doesn't matter at high speeds the size of the wheel.. that rotational mass BS doesn't mean anything..
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well i was talking about people with the right tire size..

and it doesn't matter at high speeds the size of the wheel.. that rotational mass BS doesn't mean anything..
so, you're saying that a heavy rim won't affect top speed?
Old Jan 8, 2002 | 08:09 AM
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On the autobahn, I've got the Autobahn Max up to 142mph, verified by my handheld GPS. The speedometer seems to be off about 5mph at that speed, as most cars are at high speeds (especially ones with speedos that only go to 140mph).
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how do you calculate it past 140?
Dude - your suspension is broke.
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so, you're saying that a heavy rim won't affect top speed?
that is what i am saying..
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140+ with HEAVY 18in OZ's
Old Jan 8, 2002 | 12:28 PM
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that is what i am saying..
You, my man, need to re-read your physics book. Weight, friction, aerodynamic drag etc. all play a role in a cars performance.

And by saying that, according to YOUR laws of physics, wheel weight doesn’t affect acceleration either.

Well, you apparently skipped physics 101. Weight, friction, aerodynamic drag etc. all play a role in a cars performance. Ask Road & Track, ask any Formula One fan whith no knowledge of engineering, heck, ask your physics professor, the heavier the rim/tire, the slower you go.

If you were to jog from point A to point B, would you get there faster wearing 100lbs shoes or 2lb shoes. Or, does it not matter?
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Originally posted by Str8ridin


You, my man, need to re-read your physics book. Weight, friction, aerodynamic drag etc. all play a role in a cars performance.

And by saying that, according to YOUR laws of physics, wheel weight doesn’t affect acceleration either.

Well, you apparently skipped physics 101. Weight, friction, aerodynamic drag etc. all play a role in a cars performance. Ask Road & Track, ask any Formula One fan whith no knowledge of engineering, heck, ask your physics professor, the heavier the rim/tire, the slower you go.

If you were to jog from point A to point B, would you get there faster wearing 100lbs shoes or 2lb shoes. Or, does it not matter?
if your shoes were rolling in a circle it would not..

let me explain something to you my son.. 16 inch wheels with 215/55 - 16 tire.. if you are running 235/40 - 18 inch tires.. the circumfrence is still the same.. its the same size... thats why we buy tires that match the same as stock tire.. ok if you don't understand.. go play with this tool.. http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

being that the circumference is not different.. the wheel is still using the same amount of intertia to turn.. so in other words.. it don't matter what size my friend.. its the same at high speeds..

if you want to get into the technicality of weight.. then we have a problem.. because 18 inch Volk TE-37's are 20lbs lighter than 15 inch GXE Steel Rims.. and at that point.. you are still losing the argument..

anything further?
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if your shoes were rolling in a circle it would not..

let me explain something to you my son.. 16 inch wheels with 215/55 - 16 tire.. if you are running 235/40 - 18 inch tires.. the circumfrence is still the same.. its the same size... thats why we buy tires that match the same as stock tire.. ok if you don't understand.. go play with this tool.. http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

being that the circumference is not different.. the wheel is still using the same amount of intertia to turn.. so in other words.. it don't matter what size my friend.. its the same at high speeds..

if you want to get into the technicality of weight.. then we have a problem.. because 18 inch Volk TE-37's are 20lbs lighter than 15 inch GXE Steel Rims.. and at that point.. you are still losing the argument..

anything further?
Further? Keep digging that hole if you please. I am well a aware of the overall wheel/tire combo diameter issue. Point in case, my two previous posts. I explained, excluding the weight factor, how if the overall rim/tire diameter is larger that stock, you will get a higher top speed. If it is smaller, it will yield a lower top speed. But as you stated the obvious, with 235/40 - 18 tire, it retains the same overall diameter as the stock with 215/55 – 16, which means little if no deviance from stock top speed.

But where you dig yourself deeper in that hole is when you say rim weight plays no factor in top speed. To use your word inertia, let’s use the example of ferris wheels, both the same size. One is loaded with fat passengers and the other is not loaded with ANY passengers. Further more, the loaded ferris wheel’s weight is distributed on the outside of the rim (more advanced Physics) . Which takes more energy to rotate? Ask anyone who is somewhat mathematically inclined and they will tell you the one with loaded passengers.

Same with a rim.



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