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Old Oct 9, 2012 | 04:14 PM
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Question about ride height and tires

Whats up everyone, I have a maxima stock ride height but with 19's, so this **** is riding sky high, as one of my friends put it. My tires are extremely low profile, here is a pic





and I wanted to throw this in too so I don't start a new thread- I smoked the headlights a bit (it was dark out so they look darker than they really are), and the wheels are back to black.



Anyway, to the point! I need new tires to pass inspection. I have 2 choices.

1. Buy the same size tires (Just 2 for now since I only have 400) and replace the 2 bad ones that really need to go, and keep the okish ones until I can afford the extra set in another month or so. If that is the case, snow will still be a *****, but I'll have new tires.

2. Buy bigger, thicker, tires. I figured this would be an ok idea because I've seen people with 17's with thick tires, but on a non dropped maxima and the size of the wheel gap looks much smaller. I'll have to wait a bit to buy them all in one shot so I don't look like a moron driving with the front end up my car up in the air.

So my question is this- will thicker tires on 19's fill in the wheel gap, or will it just raise my car higher up and keep the gap the same.

And to let everyone know, I am just doing this to get by. I have no problem buying tires, but please no more "LOWER IT!" lol, because it's not a priority right now, I just need to get to work in the snow.

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Old Oct 9, 2012 | 04:37 PM
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What aspect ratio tire are you running now? 40? With 19's and 235 wide a 40 aspect ratio keeps the speedo accurate. If you change the aspect ratio then the rolling diameter will change thus throwing the accuracy of your speedometer off, in your case raising it will make the speedo read higher than you are actually driving. If you go up to a 45 or 50 aspect ratio your speedometer will be about 5mph off or so. If you dont mind your speedometer being off then sure throw bigger tires on there. 19's are uncomfortable as it is, I couldn't imagine, so the more aspect ratio the more comfortable the ride

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Old Oct 9, 2012 | 04:42 PM
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Is there any way at all to compromise? I'm sure there are other people rolling with a bit bigger tires for 19's on a sedan. Or is it kind of a one or the other deal? And is there any way to correct the speedometer?
Old Oct 9, 2012 | 04:51 PM
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Sure get smaller wheels lol. Maybe Nissan can re-calibrate the speedo who knows? What tire size are you running now?
Old Oct 9, 2012 | 04:56 PM
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215/35zr19 85w
Old Oct 9, 2012 | 05:18 PM
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Btw, are these good? http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-NEW-215-35...ea6f5d&vxp=mtr
Old Oct 9, 2012 | 05:36 PM
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this will always have gap unless u drop it coilovers the maxima always looks like a plane is taking off except the 6.5 gen and 7 thgen
Old Oct 9, 2012 | 05:55 PM
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Just get the same size tires and call it a day. Nothing will fill that gap.
Old Oct 9, 2012 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Max streets
this will always have gap unless u drop it coilovers the maxima always looks like a plane is taking off except the 6.5 gen and 7 thgen
huh? Yea maybe at stock ride height. If you add rake to it it looks fine. Thats what I did. Who has there car level anyways lol?
Old Oct 9, 2012 | 06:04 PM
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Just get the same size tires and call it a day. Nothing will fill that gap.
yup. No sense in geting your speedo off plus with more aspect ratio the car will actually raise up even more.
Old Oct 9, 2012 | 06:06 PM
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I used 235/40-18 18x8 and went through 3 sets of bent rims. Finally got tired of that and went back to the 215/55-16's. Have to admit the 18's looked great, just didn't seem to help the handling and probably in reality added a lot of unsprung weight.
Old Oct 10, 2012 | 10:36 AM
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go with a 245 35. or a 235 35. the side wall will be a little bigger. I'm guessing you are on a 19x8..right?

http://www.performanceplustire.com/p...erID%5B%5D=329

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Old Oct 14, 2012 | 10:08 PM
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Ok great! So, I have 85W, http://www.performanceplustire.com/p...reDataID/23790

Will that still fit?
Old Oct 15, 2012 | 09:31 AM
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A taller tire will throw your speedometer/odometer off and you will lose torque. Acceleration will be slower.
Old Oct 15, 2012 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by asand1
A taller tire will throw your speedometer/odometer off and you will lose torque. Acceleration will be slower.
and fuel economy will decrease. wanna know how you close wheel gap? coilovers. and that's the only answer.
Old Oct 15, 2012 | 12:23 PM
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He's already running 19s, I'm pretty sure he understands that his speedo is completely off and that his rims are heavy as crap so his mpg is suffering. He had a basic questions "what size tire will fill the wheel gap in the best without lowering it". in his beg. post he talks about snow...and lowering maybe isn't an option right now due to terrain purposes.

Go with what I said above, you can't go any bigger due to your width.
Old Oct 15, 2012 | 12:27 PM
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lol you cant assume people know anything
Old Oct 15, 2012 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ShocknAwe
lol you cant assume people know anything
You have a point, but if you didn't realize that you shouldn't be messing with modding a car. But main point was that what people were telling him had nothing to do with his question.
Old Oct 15, 2012 | 01:09 PM
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He's already running 19s, I'm pretty sure he understands that his speedo is completel off....
Rim size has NOTHING to do with the speedometers. Outside tire diameter is the ONLY measurement that matters in that respect. Unless he wants to **** up his handling, mileage, power, and economy, he needs to keep close to the same outside diameter.
Old Oct 15, 2012 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Frank Fontaine
I used 235/40-18 18x8 and went through 3 sets of bent rims. Finally got tired of that and went back to the 215/55-16's. Have to admit the 18's looked great, just didn't seem to help the handling and probably in reality added a lot of unsprung weight.
...and hurt acceleration, lost power, increased braking distance, loss of comfort. Big rims look great, at great cost.

To really do big rims right, you would have to change the entire suspension to accommodate the harder tire. Then add bigger brakes, and to offset the power loss you would have to go SC or turbo at minimum. No NA mods can make up for 18s or greater on a maxima meant for 16s.
Old Oct 16, 2012 | 06:16 AM
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Rim size has NOTHING to do with the speedometers. Outside tire diameter is the ONLY measurement that matters in that respect. Unless he wants to **** up his handling, mileage, power, and economy, he needs to keep close to the same outside diameter.
and if you would have done your calculations the size 245/35/19 is exactly that for the OEM 15" rim (off by less than a 1 mpg). Go find someone else to argue with.

I will disagree with you on the handling part, mileage, power and economy if done right. Obviously he didn't buy lighter rims than OEM (due to him painting them) but if you did this is actually what would really matter for those (WEIGHT). Getting something like Gram Lights, Volk, or Work wheels and you could be in business with more power, better handling, better mileage, and still keep to the correct speedo.
Old Oct 16, 2012 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by max1008
and if you would have done your calculations the size 245/35/19 is exactly that for the OEM 15" rim (off by less than a 1 mpg). Go find someone else to argue with.

I will disagree with you on the handling part, mileage, power and economy if done right. Obviously he didn't buy lighter rims than OEM (due to him painting them) but if you did this is actually what would really matter for those (WEIGHT). Getting something like Gram Lights, Volk, or Work wheels and you could be in business with more power, better handling, better mileage, and still keep to the correct speedo.
It's more than simply weight. It's rotational mass. Spin a 5lb rock on a 1 foot string then do the same except using a 2 foot string. You work harder turning on the 2 foot string, like heavier wheels.
Old Oct 16, 2012 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by max1008
and if you would have done your calculations the size 245/35/19 is exactly that for the OEM 15" rim (off by less than a 1 mpg). Go find someone else to argue with.

I will disagree with you on the handling part, mileage, power and economy if done right. Obviously he didn't buy lighter rims than OEM (due to him painting them) but if you did this is actually what would really matter for those (WEIGHT). Getting something like Gram Lights, Volk, or Work wheels and you could be in business with more power, better handling, better mileage, and still keep to the correct speedo.
You are not even in the original topic. He wants to run taller tires to fill his wheel gap. Taller tires absolutely will cause all the stated problems. Why people even brought up wheel size is beyond me. Using the term rims while describing tires is a fallacy. Rims equal wheels. Rim size alone will not affect tire diameter, because aspect ratio can be changed to compensate.
Old Oct 16, 2012 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by dwapenyi
It's more than simply weight. It's rotational mass. Spin a 5lb rock on a 1 foot string then do the same except using a 2 foot string. You work harder turning on the 2 foot string, like heavier wheels.
umm not really following you on your comparison..but ok. I could see a 5lb and a 2.5lb rock. (5lb being the 16" and the 19" being the the 2.5).

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Old Oct 16, 2012 | 08:05 AM
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asand1, rim size does affect, you just compensate by means of tires. if you were to get a rim so big (24) you could not compensate by tire to keep the same diameter. The OP stated his rim and tire size and I was giving him a tire to go with to help the BEST with wheel gap with what was given. I'm not saying you are completely wrong with your taller wheel theory, I'm just saying that it can be done correct.
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What taller wheel theory? I'm talking about tire diameter affects.
If a TIRE has a rolling radius of 28", it doesn't make any difference whether the wheel is 14" or 19".
You are just like the rest of these fast&furious wannabees that can't tell the difference between a wheel and a tire. I'm done with you and this thread. I'm blocking you because you are not intelligent enough to conduct an informed discussion with, nor are you willing to see reason or comprehend basic mathematic principles.

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Old Oct 16, 2012 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by max1008
umm not really following you on your comparison..but ok. I could see a 5lb and a 2.5lb rock. (5lb being the 16" and the 19" being the the 2.5).
I'm saying a 5 lb rock being swung around by a 12" string.

Then, the same 5 lb rock being swung around by a 24" string.

You work much harder turning that same rock on the longer string.


That's the same effect with bigger rims. Bigger rims have the heavier metal weight along the outside circumference of the wheel, which on the smaller rims was either air, or rubber, both of which are lighter than metal.

On my previous maxima I used to have 17s in the summer and 15s in the winter. Same suspension, same brakes etc. The 17s looked great but I took a toll on everything else.

This time around I'm sticking with 16s and doing what I can to make them look bigger. Suspension drop, spacers etc. Any mod I do to the engine to make power I dont want to lose to the bigger, prettier rims. And, I'm sticking to NA. Boost is way way way more than I need or want.
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Done correctly meant lighter 19s than OEM....but this is getting completely off his subject. OP- by no means was I trying to high jack your thread and get into thuds discussion.
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Originally Posted by asand1
What taller wheel theory? I'm talking about tire diameter affects.
If a TIRE has a rolling radius of 28", it doesn't make any difference whether the wheel is 14" or 19".
You are just like the rest of these fast&furious wannabees that can't tell the difference between a wheel and a tire. I'm done .with you and this thread. I'm blocking you because you are not intelligent enough to conduct an informed discussion with, nor are you willing to see reason or comprehend basic mathematic principles.
Yes I can tell a deference between a wheel and a tire. No I'm not a fast and furious wannabe. I roll 17 stock, yes I have 19s but never put them on after refurbing them. Plan to sell them. Nothing to my car or thoughts suggest you comment. You'd get slapped by a hundred people if you were here and made those types of comments.

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Old Oct 16, 2012 | 04:13 PM
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Ok so what tires should I get for a good price? Nothing crazy expensive, I Figure I could manage with like 600 bucks?
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Originally Posted by asand1
You are not even in the original topic. He wants to run taller tires to fill his wheel gap. Taller tires absolutely will cause all the stated problems. Why people even brought up wheel size is beyond me. Using the term rims while describing tires is a fallacy. Rims equal wheels. Rim size alone will not affect tire diameter, because aspect ratio can be changed to compensate.
This is what the OP was asking and this is what I responded too as well max1008 and trust me, it is true. Changing the aspect ratio while keeping the rim size the same changes rolling diameter and the speedo becomes inaccurate. Like asand said, rim size to a point, doesnt matter because you compensate with the aspect ratio of the tire. The aspect ratio of a tire is what keeps the rolling diameter as close to stock size as possible. Max1008, we know what we are talking about here

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Done correctly meant lighter 19s than OEM....but this is getting completely off his subject. OP- by no means was I trying to high jack your thread and get into thuds discussion.
There is no 19 that is lighter than an OEM 15" or 16" wheel, impossible. Nobody who want performance puts 19's on

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asand1, rim size does affect, you just compensate by means of tires. if you were to get a rim so big (24) you could not compensate by tire to keep the same diameter. The OP stated his rim and tire size and I was giving him a tire to go with to help the BEST with wheel gap with what was given. I'm not saying you are completely wrong with your taller wheel theory, I'm just saying that it can be done correct.
no aspect ratio tire will compensate for a 24" rim. Also, not a theory

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Ok so what tires should I get for a good price? Nothing crazy expensive, I Figure I could manage with like 600 bucks?
get BFGoodrich rubber
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That gap is freakin gigantic! junk that ****!

Jk.

Well, you need truck tires to fill the gap... donk tires? I say if you dont want gap, buy coilovers or get 225 65 19
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get BFGoodrich rubber

Personally I'd go with Kuhmos, not that I have anything against BFgoodrich rubber shocknawe, just he said 600 dollar budget, $150 per tire... maybe you know someone I don't, but thats an amazing deal and I personally have never seen it, and for the money I've never had a pair of kuhmos do anything crazy on me, good tires. Oh and OP, do like little john said oh so long ago, and GET LOW!!!!
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Personally I'd go with Kuhmos, not that I have anything against BFgoodrich rubber shocknawe, just he said 600 dollar budget, $150 per tire... maybe you know someone I don't, but thats an amazing deal and I personally have never seen it, and for the money I've never had a pair of kuhmos do anything crazy on me, good tires.
Kumho lol? With $600, he can get a decent tire from a tire store no matter the brand. I prefer BGG's because they have done amazing things with rubber compounds and the sport comp 2's I have now have been the best I have ever driven on
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Originally Posted by ShocknAwe
Kumho lol? With $600, he can get a decent tire from a tire store no matter the brand. I prefer BGG's because they have done amazing things with rubber compounds and the sport comp 2's I have now have been the best I have ever driven on

Oh the extrah "h" is silent in kuhmo broh? didnt you knowh?
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Get hankooks
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Originally Posted by ShocknAwe
This is what the OP was asking and this is what I responded too as well max1008 and trust me, it is true. Changing the aspect ratio while keeping the rim size the same changes rolling diameter and the speedo becomes inaccurate. Like asand said, rim size to a point, doesnt matter because you compensate with the aspect ratio of the tire. The aspect ratio of a tire is what keeps the rolling diameter as close to stock size as possible. Max1008, we know what we are talking about here



There is no 19 that is lighter than an OEM 15" or 16" wheel, impossible. Nobody who want performance puts 19's on




no aspect ratio tire will compensate for a 24" rim. Also, not a theory
ShocknAwe...I was just being some what a devil adcovate and trying to play the other hand. I know my 17s (2008 max stock) are 25lbs (rim itself) and my 19s are 26.7lbs (rim itself). So looking hard enough you never know might find rims lighter but is it really worth it is the question. You guys got me completely wrong, I understand the aspect ratio and the tire is what does it. That's why I went with my tire size for the 17s. And I was just saying rim size to A POINT like you said above. I was just trying to be hard with him and it pissed him off.

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