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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 06:40 AM
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New short block installed, still having timing issue?

Hey again everyone. After battling a fraduist for 4 months, I have finally gotten my car back.

A new re-manufactured engine block was installed (0 miles)
When I start the car on cold start, I still get timing chain rattle/growl for about two seconds, it is clearly coming from the timing area.
I also have my oil light flickering at idle once in awhile (RPMs normal as well) I have also noticed the timing chain area makes pops/boing noises when the engine is turned off. It sounds like the tensioner is losing pressure and causing the noise boings.

Does anyone have any ideas why my car still has this problem?
does anyone know what the popping/boing noises are coming from the timing area when I shut the engine off?

The guy who did the work is a total liar/jerk. Could he have installed a broken VTC (cam gear) to spite me? this man does not like me and its definitely something he would do. (I ruined his paypal reputation by filing a dispute, and getting a refund; so hes mad) Thanks all

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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 07:46 AM
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 08:14 AM
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Just drive it. I'm sure everything will be just fine once the new reman engine gets broken in.
Old Dec 1, 2013 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by T_Behr904
Just drive it. I'm sure everything will be just fine once the new reman engine gets broken in.
terrible advice. its been broken in by the shop.

there is clearly something wrong. 2 replies and nothing but sarcasm and no help.

can some kind soul actually respond?

Thank you
Old Dec 1, 2013 | 08:36 AM
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terrible advice. its been broken in by the shop. there is clearly something wrong. 2 replies and nothing but sarcasm and no help. can some kind soul actually respond? Thank you
I never say this to anyone...but just go buy a Honda. V-tec is calling you, not Maximas.
Old Dec 1, 2013 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Aviation005
terrible advice. its been broken in by the shop.

there is clearly something wrong. 2 replies and nothing but sarcasm and no help.

can some kind soul actually respond?

Thank you
the shop usually does not do the whole break in process, it is to the owner to break in the engine. I would drive it easy for a thousand miles then see what happens. In any case, you have a warranty in case the engine blows up. Monitor your oil level, that flickering oil light might be a concern.

I doubt the mechanic would install a faulty vtc sensor, if the engine breaks down, he'll have to fix it. Doesn't make any sense to me.

I didn't understand your statement regarding paypal, you got a refund for the long block you bought and you got to keep the engine?

Good day.
Old Dec 1, 2013 | 08:45 AM
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oil light flickering at idle, and timing chain noises sounds like low oil, i put my oil to the top of the H and i get no more oil light flicker at startup and no timing chain rattle at startup anymore.
Old Dec 1, 2013 | 08:52 AM
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You paid the installing mechanic via paypal? Something about that makes no sense.
You filed a complaint and got all money back and then had him install?
He doesn't like you at all? I don't believe that.
Exactly how much $$ have you put into this car haha

P.s. you have to meet george!
Old Dec 1, 2013 | 08:56 AM
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P.s. you have to meet george!
Too true.
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Kindly read this link
http://www.nissanclub.com/forums/200...ing-chain.html

I recommend to install a pcv oil catcher :http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performan...oductId=763433

Use a 3/8 pcv rubber tubing (do not use the fuel and transmission rubber tubing)
Attached one end of the rubber tuming to the PCV valve going to the IN of PCV oil catcher. Attached another 3/8 rubber tubing to the out of PCV oil catcher going to the intake manifold.

Good Luck

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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 09:08 AM
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oil light flickering at idle, and timing chain noises sounds like low oil, i put my oil to the top of the H and i get no more oil light flicker at startup and no timing chain rattle at startup anymore.
the oil is not low, it is actually a little over filled. not by much. the oil light should never come on, broken in, or not broken in. The shop said they preformed the break-in. what are the boing/pop noises I hear from the timing chain cover when I turn off the engine? and for the people who think im lying, heres how it went. paid $1500 cash Paid $1500 paypal (when picking up the car) The engine was never changed, it was the same block, and he just swapped a few parts. There was a huge oil leak and the timing chain still rattled at startup. I then filed the dispute with paypal and was awarded a refund. He acknowledged the engine had a defect (even after it was supposedly replaced) He then got ahold of a higher mileage engine (150K+ miles), the second engine had a bad lifter and the engine was useless. He then ordered a re-manufactured engine with 0 miles. The short block is definitely new, all the accessories are old. The engine he ordered did not come with a new oil pump, from the looks of it, he used the old one. He put an automotive lein on the car after I won my case with paypal. I then had to pay $1500. He is now paid in full, and I have a car with a broken engine. four months of stress, agony, racing thoughts, worries, and I am still left with a broken car. Can someone Please tell me what the boing noise is when I turn off the engine? Thank you for your replies (formatting has been removed from the site? I cant make paragraphs with enter anymore??)

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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 09:13 AM
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He used the same broken engine and you believe his BS. Show us pictures etc cuz you don't know what youre doing.
Old Dec 1, 2013 | 09:16 AM
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He used the same broken engine and you believe his BS. Show us pictures etc cuz you don't know what youre doing.
I know way more than you think. You don't know me or my knowledge, you cannot comment.

The kind souls try to help, while the evil ones only put people down.

Will a kind person please answer this:

Can someone Please tell me what the boing noise is when I turn off the engine? It sounds like the timing chain loosening. What would cause this? It is deff coming from the timing chain cover.
Old Dec 1, 2013 | 09:19 AM
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He offered to help if you posted pics. You can admit you don't know what you are doing (we all do everytime we post for help.
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 2damax
He offered to help if you posted pics. You can admit you don't know what you are doing (we all do everytime we post for help.
stop trying to discredit me and make me look bad. I am very very educated when it comes to cars. Pictures cannot help with my situation. He is being a jerk.

can someone please explain the boing noise coming from the timing chain cover when the engine is off?
Old Dec 1, 2013 | 09:27 AM
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He offered to help if you posted pics. You can admit you don't know what you are doing (we all do everytime we post for help.

Since the OP knows so much, why is he asking questions.

OP could have purchased a used engine a cherry picker, and any other tools needed for well under the 3k he wasted.

Do it yourself, or stand over the mechanics shoulder the entire time.
You ooze ignorance, and the mechanics have radar for that. Believe it. Accept it.

**** paying someone to do it wrong.
Get the FSM and make it your bible; if not, Honda/tricycle for you.
Old Dec 1, 2013 | 09:28 AM
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$3000 for a motor, smfh. Could of bought a new 5th gen for that price.
Old Dec 1, 2013 | 09:29 AM
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can someone please explain the boing noise coming from the timing chain cover when the engine is off?
Old Dec 1, 2013 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Aviation005
can someone please explain the boing noise coming from the timing chain cover when the engine is off?
Post a video so we can hear this "boing" noise you speak of. Kind of hard to help with vague descriptions.
Old Dec 1, 2013 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by JWatZ
Post a video so we can hear this "boing" noise you speak of. Kind of hard to help with vague descriptions.
Sounds like a reasonable request to help the OP out.
How will he argue this?
Old Dec 1, 2013 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Fakie J Farkerton
Sounds like a reasonable request to help the OP out.
How will he argue this?
why is everyone here such a jerk? I'm not arguing anything. Everyone refuses to offer advice, instead they post moronic videos and irresponsible replies. Then nothing I said is believed. Its gets frustrating.

I will post pics of the new short block, you can clearly see what was replaced and what wasn't.

I will try to record the noise, its hard as I will need to stand in front of the engine bay as the engine cools with the phone right next to the timing cover; but i will do it.

pics and vids when i get back, ill even post the one of the oil light coming on at idle

I'm a really nice person, people on this forum need to learn some respect.. I would like to thank the people who truly replied in regards of kindness, may karma benefit you
Old Dec 1, 2013 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JWatZ
Post a video so we can hear this "boing" noise you speak of. Kind of hard to help with vague descriptions.
I will work on getting the video, here's a quicker question/more logical one that will help me much more:

what mechanical parts in the timing chain cover could possible be making this noise?
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Aviation005
I will work on getting the video, here's a quicker question/more logical one that will help me much more:

what mechanical parts in the timing chain cover could possible be making this noise?
Without hearing the noise it's a bit tough to answer that, don't you agree? Not being a "jerk" as you put it, but you are asking a question about a noise that obviously we haven't heard, or can't assimilate from your description.
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Perhaps train crash?

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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Aviation005
terrible advice. its been broken in by the shop.

there is clearly something wrong. 2 replies and nothing but sarcasm and no help.

can some kind soul actually respond?

Thank you
Originally Posted by nsnrider
the shop usually does not do the whole break in process, it is to the owner to break in the engine. I would drive it easy for a thousand miles then see what happens. In any case, you have a warranty in case the engine blows up. Monitor your oil level, that flickering oil light might be a concern.

I doubt the mechanic would install a faulty vtc sensor, if the engine breaks down, he'll have to fix it. Doesn't make any sense to me.

I didn't understand your statement regarding paypal, you got a refund for the long block you bought and you got to keep the engine?

Good day.
Thank you
Old Dec 1, 2013 | 10:56 AM
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stop getting so ****ing defensive, god damn u make me sooo mad with how retarded you are. not retarded about your knowledge of cars (we all know how much u know) but how you wrongly interpret everyones response and reject actual help. Just so we're clear, now i'm being a jerk cause you're so thiiiick... here's whats up:

we all know you and your car expertise, no one likes it. now you come here and post a legit problem and although some are here to poke fun, others (even some regulars) are asking for more information, pictures and videos SO THEY CAN HELP YOU BETTER.

a video would help rather than you describing the sound in words. clearly its hard to describe a sound and no ones relating to it so a video would definitely help. some of these people are being overly reasonable with you.
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stop getting so ****ing defensive, god damn u make me sooo mad with how retarded you are. not retarded about your knowledge of cars (we all know how much u know) but how you wrongly interpret everyones response and reject actual help. Just so we're clear, now i'm being a jerk cause you're so thiiiick... here's whats up:

we all know you and your car expertise, no one likes it. now you come here and post a legit problem and although some are here to poke fun, others (even some regulars) are asking for more information, pictures and videos SO THEY CAN HELP YOU BETTER.

a video would help rather than you describing the sound in words. clearly its hard to describe a sound and no ones relating to it so a video would definitely help. some of these people are being overly reasonable with you.
dude.. your a real ****. read through the entire thread and see who the a holes are. working on the vids.. i found out something sickening today.. The ******* buffed and SPRAY PAINTED the timing chain cover!!! I literally wiped the paint off and got it all over my fingers.. a re manufactured engine does not get spray painted.. this guy deserves to lose his shop at this point. Im preparing for battle. He messed with the wrong people..
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The ******* buffed and SPRAY PAINTED the timing chain cover!!! I literally wiped the paint off and got it all over my fingers.. a re manufactured engine does not get spray painted.. this guy deserves to lose his shop at this point. Im preparing for battle. He messed with the wrong people..
"a re manufactured engine does not get spray painted.."
Not always true. Some rebuilders will paint a part as a form of identification. If they see that part painted, they know they did the rebuild.

"He messed with the wrong people.."
Two comments here.
1) The Grammar ***** say it should be "He messed with the wrong person."
2) It really should read "He really saw me coming!"
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I had the cold start timing rattle / oil light flicker as well.

Switching to a 0w-30 oil completely solved the issue.
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2) It really should read "He really saw me coming!"
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Originally Posted by Aviation005
can someone please explain the boing noise coming from the timing chain cover when the engine is off?
Originally Posted by Aviation005
stop trying to discredit me and make me look bad. I am very very educated when it comes to cars. Pictures cannot help with my situation. He is being a jerk.

can someone please explain the boing noise coming from the timing chain cover when the engine is off?


Oh dude,



DUUUUDE!




Ok, so lets go to engine mechanics 101...



What is the purpose of a timing chain?


When is the timing chain moving?



Then lets look into


Diagnosing Timing chain tensioners, and Timing chain sensors...


Then, once you have figured all that out...




you should be able to answer what your "BOING?" (really dude? boing? like the sound effect from super mario when he jumps???) issue is.


also.


Some sort of video evidence of this sound is strongly encouraged...


and put more oil in your engine and see if that turns off the light.
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Oh my, now I have planecrash and george to deal with. Awesome

Post pics and vid or shut up. You know nothing about cars
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Originally Posted by Maverick4189
Oh my, now I have planecrash and george to deal with. Awesome Post pics and vid or shut up. You know nothing about cars
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Originally Posted by DennisMik
2) It really should read "He really saw me coming!"

You don't know how right you are...


If I was a mechanic, and someone came in with their engine bay looking like this:


(This is not a joke, this is a pic of his engine bay.)
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I would see all dem dolla signs just floating around in my vision...
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He was a repeat customer too.
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I see that pic of his engine, and then see "I know everything about cars"

Maybe his plan is to blow up his car in the quickest way possible? My GF knows nothing about cars and she saw this and peed a little, its that bad



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