What day in Feb is good for you?


BTW, here are the specs on the SHO I plan on taking to MO/KAN:

1995 SHO - custom chip, CAI, larger MAF, y-pipe, catback, UDP's. Lots of suspension mods.

 

Auto SHO or 5spd.

I owned a 1993 SHO 5spd for a few years. The engine is awesome but the car falls apart around it. It was quick for sure!

As for the winner it all depends on the launch IMO. Both cars are not easy to launch fast with traction.

 

5 spd. Yeah, the launch will be paramount.

 

poor SHO,,will not be able to show it's face again,,,thats after getting SPANKED

 

Which chip, CAI, MAF, Y pipe (cats or no cats?) catback, UDP's and supension mods?

What does the Max have?

I want to get in on this too..
Italic Ian vs....who wants a piece?
lol

Ian

 

I dont know what mods DaveB has, or if he is 5-speed or auto, so if he is stock, the SHO with those mods should win...however, the SHO would prob break halfshafts, or shift linkage, or the differential, therefor the Maxima would be victorious

 

No..SHO's don't break diff's until the day after the track event. Just an excuse for a Quaife anyway.

As far as shafts and shift linkage..."wasn't me!"



Ian

 

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Having shocks and springs isn't a lot.

I could list "a lot"...

 

There are a lot more suspension upgrades for the SHO than springs and struts. These upgrades help the car perform better on the dragstrip as well. I have a more than struts and springs and I plan on getting even more. I know that what I have helps me launch better and keep the car in a straight line.

Ian

 

Whats your show run in the 1/4? Then I will vote. I raced a 95 5spd{Stock} SHO with my modded 95 5spd from 0-90, I literly beat him by 3+ car's. I talked to the owner for a long time after(real cool guy) and he was shocked, so watch out!

Ohh yeah my 95 has, Intake, headers/Y-pipe, RT cat, UR UDP, Cat-back. Aluminum flywheel and 104 K miles.

 

Well, I have run a best of 14.7, but that was sans a few of the mods that will be present when I race Dave B (hopefully. Where are you Dave?)

 

Not sure what all Dave has, but he is not stock.

 

Ted B LPM, SHOSHOP snorkel, 80mm MAF, SS y-pipe (cats), Dynomax catback, SS UDP's (alt, wp, p/s)

 

Do you guys know of any SHO guys in Louisiana?

 

Well, since they do not benefit my 1/4 time much, I did not want to bore you guys. But, since you asked:

Koni/IPT/Eibach Coilovers, caster/camber plates, solid alum subframe bushings, subframe connectors, strut tower braces, larger front and rear swaybars, poly bushings, 17 in rims with BFG R1's. Still missing the alum. tubular rear control arms and h-brace, but that will be on soon. I think that is all. Not much else you can get for the SHO that I know of.

 

Nice collection. I ditched my Ford 80mm MAF and Ted's LPM in favor of the Pro-M 80. me like.

My best of 15.0 was on a 1st gen SS Y pipe with no cats. When I installed my 2nd gen SS equal length Y pipe, it felt like I gained 50 hp. I can't wiat to hit the track to see how my times improve. My one thing that is holding me back is that I am a big dude. 6'5" and 250 lbs isn't helping my times.

Ian

 

Well, I can gurantee that Dave will smoke the SHO. I have done several already....I know Dave can.

 

Seeing that they both run 14.7's I think it will be a very good race.

 

A piece? Which piece? Ford's tend to fall into so many pieces

 

you never know how fast they will be. Warren (VeeTec) had a 95 SHO 5spd with only a y-pipe and was trapping 97mph. The track was cold so there was no traction, so his best time was a 14.6 with 2.4 and 2.5 60ft times. They require a very good driver in order to get good times though. The maxima is a lot easier to launch. I would bet that the SHO will win. It has a great Yamaha heart, but as others have said it is still a Ford that had a lot of problems. FYI I have beaten several SHO's that were stock, automatic and 5spd.

 

I know of some...

Ian

 

Hehe...I voted. Now it's 11:1 I'll win. No pressure there

I think it will be very close. My last time out, I ran a 14.75@95.5mph with a 2.28 60' and in 75 degree weather. From what I've been told by the Kansas City Street Racers group, MO/KAN is quite a bit stickier than my track (KCIR) so you and I should be able to come off the line aggressively. I'm saying it's gonna be damn close. I may have the advantage from 0-70, but the SHO (with those mods) should have a hell of a topend. If I beat Toolman it will be in ET, not trap speed. I haven't come up against a SHO that's been modded like Toolman's. The SHOs biggest weakness is off the line acceleration. It's a peakier motor than the 4th gen Max, therefore it's hard to find that fine between traction and bog/wheelspin. Toolman is running a good suspension setup which will reduce the "relatively" insane squat I've seen many SHOs have on launch and gear shift. He'll be able to take off pretty flat. I too am running a good suspension setup. My mods (performance):

Koni adjustable front struts
KYB AGX rear struts (just installed 2 days ago)
Intrax springs (2" drop)
Warpspeed non-mandrel bent Y-pipe
HKS intake
UDP
Stillen B-pipe w/stock muffler
short throw shifter
Kosei K1 16" lightweight rims with Yoko Avid V4s

I can't wait to be able to bring up my rear struts to full stiffness. It should help a bit on launch. My best is a 14.73@94mph and my best trap speed is a 14.75@95.5mph. My 60's are typically in the 2.26+ range (yuck). All my prior runs were with a custom LEAKING Stillen Y-pipe. Hopefully the Warpspeed pipe found me some new horses. With the leaky Y-pipe and without the UDP, I pulled 176fwhp and 194fwtq. I plan on dynoing again next Friday. Race weight is around 2980lb (without me) without any rice gutting (full interior).

Toolman:
I believe MO/KAN opens on Feb 3rd (Sat?). I may be able to attend that weekend. I'm not quite certain about the following weekend, but anything after that should be open for me. It will be great to meet you, finally. Us NA V6 guys need to stock together (ie GP forum ). I'll let you know about the 2nd weekend in Feb.


Dave

 

Awww fudge, Toolman is running R1s. That's almost like runnign drag radials. Looks like I'm gonna have to find some sticky tires.

I'm shooting for 14.5s@95mph.


Dave

 

are you guys gonna video tape the run?

 

I was not planning on running the R1's since they take a bit of warming (at least a lap at my road course) to get sticky, but I will probably bring them just in case. My best 60' (2.26) has been on my stock rims with the Potenza RE730's.

 

I thought that's what the steering wheel is for?

Crap, i wish you SHOs types were in Vegas... or at least LA Area... I would LOVE to show you the taillamps of a lowly honda (or, i could go rent a Maxima and toss some rubber on it) on a road course/autocross. I need to move.

someone get videos of these two racing...

 

Hate to burst your bubble, but it will take much more than a rented Max with rubber to show me taillights. At the course I frequent, Miata's, ITR's, modded Alty's, all are off the back. Only Honda not getting beat is the S2000 (and he was barely out front). Now, on a tight AutoX course, the Miata's and CRX's are all about killing my 3500 lb family car (of course, that was my very first event and I had much less mods, but I am still not planning on being able to take them).

 

- CSP Champion for 2001, 2nd Place for 2000
- CSP DD (Street Tire) for 2000.
- Currently in D-Mod and plan on taking 2nd, behind a Westfield 7 and in front of a few other purpose built autocross cars.
- Numerous Top Ten Pax placements

Remember, it's not the car. It's the driver.

And if you wish to discuss cars? My CRX is highly modified and I believe I turn similar ETs and I know for sure I turn better slalom and skidpad numbers. In the next three days, I'll even outbrake 95% of all street legal registered cars (i don't know too many cars that can stop from 60mph in under 105feet).

www.lvrscca.org - For Results.

In a rental 02 Max on some Kumhos... who knows. But, who will ever?

 

Impressive, but I still feel confident that a stock Max (even the all mighty 02) would not have what it takes. I would be stupid to go up against a car that weighs more than a half ton less than mine. Also, while driver skill is what will determine the results in two fairly simlar vehicles, do not flatter yourself into thinking that HP does not matter.

 

a stock GT-S celica can do it in 115
what kinda brake mods did you do?

 

Oh my god...do you honestly think you can run with an '02 Max? Properly launched...it's a beast...

 

Yes, I honestly believe Toolman would give a stock 02 a run for it's money if not beat it. The SHO has a wicked topend. With his mods, I'd think from 80mph on the 02 might have serious trouble hanging with him. I'm a true gearhead and I can tell you that a stock 2k2 Maxima running at a midwest track isn't gonna be running close to a mid 14, maybe a high 14 or 15.0. We're land-locked, stuck in a relatively humid environment, and are at a 1000-2000' altitude. Whether you guys want to admit it or not, these conditions do play a significant role in a car's performance. I don't know of any tracks that are open from November until Feb in the midwest. Cold weather = faster ets. All the current 2k2 Maximas were run at coastal tracks, in cold weather, and at near sea level. It makes a difference.

More and more, this site is turning into ClubSi. Too many people in here are Maxima brainwashed and ignorant/arrogant when it comes to the performance of other cars, especially domestics. I get so sick of hearing about how Mustangs,F-Bodies, etc are just POS rides with low tech engines. Whatever. Go drive one then tell me how you feel about that POS ride. Have I ever been beaten by a SHO? Nope, but I doubt I've faced a SHO or driver quite like Toolman. I think it's gonna be really close.

Toolman-
I think I'm open for any weekend in Feb now. Have you ever dynoed?


Dave

 

Actually, I think that Gateway in Ill might be open sometime during Nov-Feb.

And as far as the POS goes...Well, if you get so sick of reading about how domestics suck, then don't read the posts. Plain and simple, man. Geez. This IS after all a discussion board. To discuss issues, you need to post...And posts are most often opinions. Since this is a MAXIMA board...Wouldn't you think that most people have certain opinions (sometimes negative) about american cars?

Besides...I've seen many of your posts..You talk as though you are the ultimate authority on everything-period. Don't you think some people get sick of hearing that? Damn skippy.

 

Steve would beat you in his 2k2 6spd stock (proven by his actual numbers). Not tons of mods like Toolman or yourself. His actual stock numbers proved it already. You may be the arrogant one here. I've owned a SHO 5spd and yes it is quick for sure and takes skill to launch fast but I'm sorry to say other than the engine it is POS no doubt! I've owned one I know! I'm sure Toolman's car is very quick and he is a skilled driver and he maintains his car very well. But there is no freakin' way a stock sho 5spd will beat a 2k2 6spd Max in top end with equal drivers! NO WAY! Hell he would probably have trouble keeping up with all his mods vs a 2k2 6spd with a basic intake only!

 

Dave is definitely arogant....I'm not saying that you don't know anything, man...But you sure don't know EVERYTHING.

 

I guess, we'll never really know if Steve's Max is really faster than mine because we run on tracks 1000 miles from each other, different altitudes, different conditions, etc. I'm damn certain Steve wouldn't be able to come remotely close to a 14.4 here in the midwest.

BTW, Toolman's SHO isn't stock. I was talking about Toolman's SHO vs the 2k2 Max.


Dave

 

Sure, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but many of the domestic ****-talkers don't even have first hand experience driving one. How can you develop a legitimate opinion when you don't have any experience on the subject? The problem I see is that the ignorance spreads fast. All of a sudden, someone who's never set foot in a Stang automatically assumes it's junk because of what he/she read somewhere. I hate ignorance.

As for me being the "Almighty", if you don't like what I'm saying, then you don't have to read it. You know, kinda like what you said above Go ring a bell or something, Skippy.


Dave

 

What do you "think" you would run at Steve's track? Or theblue's track?

If you can beat Toolman's SHO then a 6spd Max would rip it! I'm not cutting down your car but you gotta get realistic. Even a 2k2 auto has done better times than yourself. The guys in NYC have proven the 2k2 6spd (in stock form) is faster than any other NA Max out there modded or not at the track and on the street especially at high end! What else do you need to know to realize? His car is putting down significant NA power with just an FC intake. You car would be no where near that power and would way over compensate any weight differences especially on a roll.

Good luck against the SHO. Are you guys doing a best out of 3? or 5? Or just one run says it all?

 

did u try racing yr 2k2 6spd friends on a highway roll? if yes did they destoryed you or walked away slowly?