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Old Feb 13, 2002 | 03:20 PM
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By Definition, What The Hell Is A Coilover????

Where did they get the name from? Aren't they just adjustable springs?

Never had 'em before but am looking into Weapon R's or GC's....
Old Feb 13, 2002 | 03:24 PM
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do you want the true definition, or the "marketed" definition?
Old Feb 13, 2002 | 03:26 PM
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Re: By Definition, What The Hell Is A Coilover????

They got their names many many moons ago ... when the great spirits still roamed the earth ...


Actually ... I don't know how coilovers got their names ... but yeah, they are pretty much just adjustable springs.

Personal opinion: Get the GCs.

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Where did they get the name from? Aren't they just adjustable springs?

Never had 'em before but am looking into Weapon R's or GC's....
Old Feb 13, 2002 | 03:33 PM
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Re: Re: By Definition, What The Hell Is A Coilover????

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They got their names many many moons ago ... when the great spirits still roamed the earth ...


Actually ... I don't know how coilovers got their names ... but yeah, they are pretty much just adjustable springs.

Personal opinion: Get the GCs.

Hi Clee,

I've heard mixed opinions about the Weapons... I have never heard of actual problems but only rumours and advice to stay away. They are a little cheaper than the GC's.

I'll post a new topic on the 2..
Old Feb 13, 2002 | 03:57 PM
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Re: Re: Re: By Definition, What The Hell Is A Coilover????

There is a thread about it already... kinda.

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=98217

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Hi Clee,

I've heard mixed opinions about the Weapons... I have never heard of actual problems but only rumours and advice to stay away. They are a little cheaper than the GC's.

I'll post a new topic on the 2..
Old Feb 13, 2002 | 04:01 PM
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By definition, coilover is short for coil over damper. The springs are mounted on spring perches that can be adjusted on the threaded collars over the dampers. This allows changes in ride height and corner weighting at each individual corner, which can be tuned to control load transfer and jacking forces from acceleration, braking, and cornering.
Old Feb 13, 2002 | 04:31 PM
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Re: By Definition, What The Hell Is A Coilover????

Originally posted by FJC
Where did they get the name from? Aren't they just adjustable springs?

Never had 'em before but am looking into Weapon R's or GC's....


yo the only thing got to say is thats a ill pic of odb
Old Feb 13, 2002 | 04:35 PM
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o yea i got coilovers weapon r's its ok just bouncy for me but i think its my shocks i need to change them i suggest dont get tokickos with coilovers go with the konis
Old Feb 13, 2002 | 04:41 PM
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a coilover just means that u can adjust how "hard" or "soft" the ride is
Old Feb 13, 2002 | 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by 95emeraldgxe
a coilover just means that u can adjust how "hard" or "soft" the ride is
I respectfully disagree - what you are referring to is an adjustable shock/strut like the KYB AGX. A coilover, like Micah95GLE stated allows you to adjust ride height.
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Originally posted by Ravq

I respectfully disagree - what you are referring to is an adjustable shock/strut like the KYB AGX. A coilover, like Micah95GLE stated allows you to adjust ride height.
and to add, the Ground Control coilovers are much stiffer than springs...
Old Feb 13, 2002 | 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by KrZyMaX


and to add, the Ground Control coilovers are much stiffer than springs...
And that's because of the spring rates. Which if I'm not mistaken are optional for the GC's.
Old Feb 13, 2002 | 06:42 PM
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Micah is right. However, a coilover by definition is a coil-over strut type of suspension. The suspension setup that you have right now is a coil-over suspension. It uses a spring coil resting on a perch in conjunction with a damper. There are also adjustable coilover suspensions available. This simply allows you to adjust the height of the spring perch to raise and lower your vehicle.
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Originally posted by Micah95GLE
By definition, coilover is short for coil over damper. The springs are mounted on spring perches that can be adjusted on the threaded collars over the dampers. This allows changes in ride height and corner weighting at each individual corner, which can be tuned to control load transfer and jacking forces from acceleration, braking, and cornering.
Your first sentence is the true definition of a "coilover". The remainder of what you wrote is suited for the "marketed" definition. What I meant by "marketed" is what most if not all aftermarket suspension manufacturers call their products.

You have the "coilovers", which they termed for a spring and threaded collar assembly that replaces your original coilsprings. You alter the ride-height via the perch on the threaded collar. You place this collar on top of a "regular" damper's perch.

Then you have the "true coilovers" which they termed for a spring and damper assembly "combo". The damper body is threaded and ride-height is adjusted by moving the damper body's perch.

The fact is our STOCK suspension (f and r) have coilover assemblies.
Old Feb 13, 2002 | 07:03 PM
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Your first sentence is the true definition of a "coilover". The remainder of what you wrote is suited for the "marketed" definition. What I meant by "marketed" is what most if not all aftermarket suspension manufacturers call their products.

You have the "coilovers", which they termed for a spring and threaded collar assembly that replaces your original coilsprings. You alter the ride-height via the perch on the threaded collar. You place this collar on top of a "regular" damper's perch.

Then you have the "true coilovers" which they termed for a spring and damper assembly "combo". The damper body is threaded and ride-height is adjusted by moving the damper body's perch.

The fact is our STOCK suspension (f and r) have coilover assemblies.
So wouldn't that basically be a strut.
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Old Feb 13, 2002 | 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by FJC
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Old Feb 13, 2002 | 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by Ravq

So basically they are struts.
No, thats incorrect. The rear suspension does not have a strut assembly. Its has a coilover assembly but its not a strut-type coilover.

A strut is basically an oversize damper that is a major structural load-bearing member (fyi "load bearing" is not just the weight of the car) of the suspension system that locates the wheel. The topside of the damper is bolted to the chassis and the bottom of the damper has a spindle which the wheel hub bolts onto.

If you look at the rear suspension you'll notice that the rear spindles are on the axle beam itself, not on the dampers. The wheel hub bolts onto the axle not the bottom of the damper assembly.

Also a "strut" suspension doesn't have to be a coilover type to be called a "strut". Two good examples would be the front suspension assemblies of pre-'88 Honda Civics and pre-'90 Acura Integra (its platform mate). It utilizes an oversize damper and a spindle bolted to the bottom of the damper to locate the wheel, but it uses a torsion bar instead of a coilspring. Its damper is a strut with no coilspring perch!
Old Feb 13, 2002 | 08:01 PM
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Old Feb 13, 2002 | 08:23 PM
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I am not sure who said it but GC's only come with one set of springs. If you want to take them apart and change the springs you can but GC doesn't give you that option.

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Old Feb 13, 2002 | 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by tifosiv122
I am not sure who said it but GC's only come with one set of springs. If you want to take them apart and change the springs you can but GC doesn't give you that option.

Erik
Hmmm...then what about this?
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....l+spring+rates
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Old Feb 14, 2002 | 04:29 AM
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Originally posted by Smooth Operator


The fact is our STOCK suspension (f and r) have coilover assemblies.

Nobody ever calls the stock suspension "coilovers", though. Anytime the term "coilover" is used, it always refers to adjustable types.
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Did he just call us *****?!?
Old Feb 14, 2002 | 04:51 PM
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