me: 2002 maxima 6sp stock interior on stock potenzas
my friend: 1991 3000GT VR4 w/ blitz boost controller on

1/5 of a mile long stretch from a stop

1st race: He pulls out and gets a 1/2 car lead in first gear... i chirp first, get MADD torque steer and pull even when he shifts and double clutch and i shift to second @ 6800 rpm ... meanwhile, he pulls ahead by 1/2 cars again and by third gear, im swerving to keep on the road because of the torque steer and he is 1 1/2 cars ahead of me... fourth gear he's up to 2 cars and then i shut it down...

2nd race: He says he'll shift at 5500 cuz his car is smelling like a burnt clutch.. so im like ok... i get the better launch even with mad wheel spin.. i pull 1/4 car ahead of him by 6800 rpm in first ... power shift to second w/o double clutch and i chirp the tires... pull 1 car ahead by 6000 rpm in second and power shift to third... end up winning the race by 1 1/2 cars in 4th gear before we both shut it down

 

wait......the first race.....he has a VR4 and he only got a 1/2 car lead?.....arent VR4 AWD?....i woulda thought he would take a much better lead than that.

 

Ha Ha Ha ,,,,, The Vr - 4 makes a guest appearance. I used to love seeing those 4 wheels smokin and watching my Mustang wave BYE BYE to those freaks....I'm betting if you heat up your tires, or actually use some drag radials on that Maxx 6 speed. You should have no problem waving Bon Voyage to that boowl of rice....Ask him if his speed adjusting ground affects still work? I bet you they messed up in 1992 !

 

the road was not even a quarter mile and you were in 4th? wouldn't you want to be in 3rd at pretty high rpms?

i haven't been to the drag strip yet,, but i know 3rd tops out at like 97mph or something, so as soon as i shift from second to third shouldn't i be thinking "ok now just wind it up to redline and hope for a good time",, and shift after the 1/4 to save the car?(knowing that i won't break 100 in a stock 2000 SE 5-speed,,, and i thought i read that the 5th gen likes to rev high like that and hit like a powerband),,,

again, i haven't done the drag strip,, but i thought that this makes sense, but maybe not? some help please?

- brett

 

Well look at it like this. Your car is stock. He seems slightly modded. Also you have a 4 door car, and you are out hanging with true sports cars. I mean that is impressive, get an intake. And you could probably run even with him.

 

road wuz approximately 1/5 mile cuz i paced it in my car and trip computer went up .2 miles... also, first race he went all out as can be detected by the burning clutch smell i got a wiff of before the second run. I had mad torque steer cuz wheels werent straight when i launched it on the first run and that lead me to swerve a little through 2nd gear.

i didnt look at the speedometer (no time lol) only at the tach and for both runs i didnt redline third... we both shut it down right after a shift into fourth.

 

why didn't you redlined 3rd??

brettcassidy - he has a 2k2 6sp gear box, the gears run differently then a 2k/2k1 5sp

 

??? I have been racing cars for 10 years and have never "double clutched" or "powershifted" WTF is the benefit of this and how is it done??? Sounds like a great way to shorten the life of your car doing the powershift thing.

 

I thought that double clutching was only used for downshifting. i.e. Out of third gear, into neutral, rev engine to match, shift into second gear without the car jerking. Our storyteller is only 17, maybe he got confused.

Also, with as smooth as our engines are, I am very impressed with anyone who can "power shift". You must really know your car well already.

 

i found that double clutching in normal daily driving allowed the car to run smoother w/o a jerk on both upshifts and downshifts and also know that it helps the transmission catch faster.. but unless ur really good at it (im not that good) it will cause u to shift slower (which is the case for me)

what i did on the double clutch was clutch in ... neutral the shifter.. release the clutch and then clutch in again rev engine and shift to the next gear.

 

I haven't seen the 2K2's cluster yet, or driven one, but I don't know if 6800rpms in first gear. I wonder if you are still pulling at that RPM's. Just an observation!

 

im pretty sure that it still pulls but all i kno is that my rpm shot up when i floored it and by the time it got up to the 6,000's the needle started to fluctuate like crazy like... bouncing up and down... scared me sh!tless the first time it happened

 

NOT!

are you kidding???
you better come up with better and closer storys if your gonna have even a believable story.

 

Maybe I am not understanding this. You rev'd the engine on a up-shift? RPMs go down in a up-shift, wouldn't you just leave the throttle alone while doing a quick up-shift? And when double clutching; clutch, neutral, clutch, rev, new gear. Just rev the motor while it is in neutral to help the syncros. Maybe I am just not getting it, it has been a long day.

 

Double clutching: clutch in, put in neutral, clutch out, clutch in lower gear, clutch out

Power shifting: gas pedal down, clutch in, next gear, clutch out, never let off gas

3rd gear redline 85 or so, no where near 100, very close to 4th gen gear box. I should know have em' both.

Congrats on the win never the less. VR4's should be good for 5.5 0-60 and a low 14 to high 13 stock.

 

Some of you guys may know Warren (VeeTec) on the board. He had a 91 VR4 AWD for a few months. We ran at the track, like we always do, one Sunday afternoon. The temp was in the low 90s and so was the humidity. I was hitting 14.4s all day with Kumho 712s and frankencar intake. He was hitting 13.7s stock with 1.6 60 ft times. After revving up to 6Krpms and dropping the clutch you could hear a slight chirp from all four times, not spinning mind you, and he just shot out of there. The best I've hit 60ft time is like 2.22. A FWD Maxima, with or without drag radials, cannot match the 60 ft times of a VR4 AWD. Thats a fact. Now say what you will about the car, it was excessively overstyled in my opinion, but I dont see many Maximas beating it in a drag race. Dare I say such things? Thats right, the truth is unwelcome in Maxims vs _________ discussions.

 

sounds like you need new tires

 

I tend to agree. The VR4 is a freight train at speed also. But they one post did mention a burnt clutch so...who knows.

 

Right. My response was directed at the generalization that all VR4s are slow and that Maximas can pot better 60ft times. Not true. However, this particular one may have been launched like a baby or it was sick...not atypical for an 11 year old car.

 

talk about reviving an old thread

this one was started over four months ago

 

Hmmm. The more things change....the more they stay the same.

 

Good Run, Good win!!

 

you must not have ever seen a vr4 launch at 5000 + rpm's.

ive seen and felt what these bad boys can do. .90 on the skid path

thats fuzuckin huge. no way could our max's pull that.
Especially if he dumped the clutch at over 5000.

TTT

LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL... need i say more.
do the math 300 hp 5000 rpm's and limited diff.....
hmmmmm

if it did happen nice but i think your missing something.

 

Someone is smoking something or doesn't know how to launch a VR-4 (it's more than dropping the clutch at six grand). I had a '90 Dodge Stealth R/T twin Turbo - the Dodge clone of the VR-4 just six months ago. Stock, it was good for a 5.5 0-60. With a boost controller tuned to 14 psi (the 1st get VR-4 boosted to 9 psi stock. 94 and later had 12 psi stock)4.9 was achievable. By the way, even with 350 h.p. (at 14 psi) and a competition clutch, you couldn't do more than 'chirp' all four wheels even if you dropped the clutch at high rpm's. Those pictures you can see on www.3si.org (a sister site with the same web software as maxima.org but for VR-4/Stealth owners) with four smoknig tires are the result of bleach poured in front of all four tires before takeoff. An old trick to impress the chicks.

A modestly modded VR-4 or R/T TT is an amazing vehicle to drive. You literally squirt from point to point, nailed to the road and slammed back in the seat. Don't get me wrong, I love my '03 Maxima SE 6 sp (titanium edition, limited slid differential. It's my second SE but there is no way it could beat a properly driven VR-4 in a drag. The fact that the VR-4 driver smelled clutch says to me he tried to slip it too long. That's easy to do. The car has such torque that, if you don't drop the clutch soon after launch, the engine develops too much torque for a stock clutch to fully engange unless you back off.

One of these days, I'm going on Ebay or www.3si.org (great place to buy a 450 h.p fully modded animal from a guy who just had a baby and needs to get a minivan!) and buy a 'weekend' VR-4. IMHO, the '91-'93 Stealth R/T TT or the '94+ VR-4 are the finest.

 

guys, this is non-sense. My friend owns a 94 VR4, with only a boost controller he run 13.2. That car is a beast, got mad power and handling. That's a true sports car that is a great match for Vipers, not to be compared with our lame slow family sedans.

 

speak for your family sedan

 

Like I have said many times before. I have many VR-4's on my sleeve.. I can aways go pick up my Stang for a day, and revive my teenage years. If all you run is a mid 13 with an AWD car, with boost you are a POS ! Imagine if Nissan made a 2K2 with AWD, and all it ran was mid 13's with mods... OH, they do it's called a Skyline and most of them are in the 12's...and 11's.... One more flush just to make sure Mitsubishi is completely gone down the toilet..You didnt answer whether the spoilers were still functioning, since they used to break within the first year !


I would rather have an Eagle Talon TSI AWD and mod that ! Even though it was Mitsu behind it, it was a better bang for the buck !

 

Your Mustang would get embarassed by this VR-4:
http://www.automotosports.com/adamprofile.htm

Saw him run at the track yesterday...Very Impressive sleeper!!

 

Its amazing how you crawl out of the walls with a , " my dad can baet up your dad ".. everytime I post something. If you want to bring the full Mustang fury into this board and this thread. Let me know where you want to meet. Bring that Mitsu, and your B@LLS , if you have any, and I will make sure my buddy brings his Ford Ranger.. Not even a Mustang ! He just has a small block 5 liter in it. We will give you a lesson on what Ford Motorsport can do. Friend of Maxtor's , EF-9 etc...

 

And I'll bring John Force to whoop everyone's a$$.


I have to agree with Kloogy on this one. The VR4 is a very heavy car and with only 320 hp it isn't for much on the top end. Those cars are mainly good for hole shots. They pull like mad out of the hole and after that they don't have much else to show (relatively). Thetas for most of the examples made but I know as with any car there are probably a few rarities that can do better. Realistically wasn't the 1/4 trap speed only like 101 - 103?

Don't bother with the mod this mod that argument. Yes I know they can be modded but guess what, the Maxima can be modded as well.

 

I was just pointing out how little you know about other makes of cars. You flame a lot of other cars without knowing their full potential..for example Civics. I hate to say this but there are a lot more low 13s(plus sub 12s) Civics than Maximas out there. Yes Mustangs can be made fast, but any 10 year old who knows how to turn a wrench can do it. Its not hard to make a Mustang run fast with the type of aftermarket support there is for that vehicle. You DONT own a Mustang, so quit flaming me. Dont bring cars into the equation that u dont have the pink slip for. I saw this guy run at the track and was impressed as was Nealoc187 and BriGuyMax. Its not very often that you see an 11 second family sedan.

 

It seems that some of the .org members are just refusing to respect the might of VR4...even if it is made by Mitsu, it's not your fathers Oldsmobile. You guys are notoriously trying to compare VR4 to a Ford, but I dont share your passion for FixedOrRepairedDaily. It would take a lot of mods to beat a stock VR4.

 

lightly modded 2k2 6sp with HLSD can stay with those, the big big disadvantage the VR4 has is the weight, and that's a really big problem cuz it slows them down so much

 

First On Race Day too...The new cobra would own a VR4 so hard it wouldnt even be funny.

 

ok what does new Cobra run, stock? And you are comparing a car that is 3 yrs out of production with the brand new car..

 

Not in the rain/snow!

 

stop comparing Stang to VR4, theres more types of racing than drag racing, and if im not mistaken, the VR4 even with its massive curb weight, stock for stock, puts down better slalom and lateral numbers than a maxima or stang. And dont bring up, "VR4 costs this much more than Stangs," it all comes down to what the cars were built to do, Stangs were made to drag, no matter what some people think thats the truth, and VR4 were meant for overall performance as a sports car, and not just straight line speed.

 

Mustang and Ford magazine got a 12.6. I have now heard with slicks and no intake resonator they have acheived high 11's, but that is what I have heard.

 

New '03 Cobra pulls a 0.90g on the skidpad @ 3600 lb curb weight and runs a 12.6 @ 110s bone stock (with headwind even).

 

How did the Cobra get brought up??? This was a VR-4 vs Maxima topic.

IMO I dont think that the Cobra is that good of a "bang for the buck". They run almost 35k. I would just rather buy a GT 5 speed and mod it with the 15k I saved. Then again you dont have a warranty with that scenario.