Maxima vs. Camry vs. 'othersh*tboxsedans'
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I have a friend, lets just call him Mr. Naive. Who thinks that Camrys are the best car in their class. Now I tried to reason with him, he will not accept being wrong, so I bet him lunch if I could prove once and for all that Maximas f'n rule. I tried regaling facts of quarter mile timeslips, lateral acceleration, driver ergonomic orientation, and things of that nature; whereas, he argues that Camrys are more reliable. He will simply not listen to reason. Please help me out on this one, because I have finally run out of things to say.
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Maxima destroys Camry
- The Maxima is a much better car than the Camry. In terms of reliability, both engines are bullet-proof. Ours does sound much, much better though. ("Best V-6" on the market for how many years now???) However, he may have us on interior reliability. Many people have been griping about heavy doors, electrical glitches, and the like. As far as I know, Toyota has those little gremlins worked out. Our performance, as you know, is better. The handling feels more neutral and we can actually get ours with a MANUAL TRANSMISSION!!!!!!! (God bless Nissan for that one.)
- Also, keep in mind though that the Maxima isn't truly in the same class as Accord's or Camry's: it's better. Nissan purposefully positions the Altima and the Maxima at the upper tansition points of the pricing segments. For example, the Altima is a much nicer car than a Civic, but it is also slightly more expensive. Same thing with the Maxima - a nicely equipped model will sticker a bit higher than a Camry - not quite "entry-level luxury car," but still higher than the other Japanese competitors. However, we get things like a little more spacious back seat, a nicer sound system, and a quieter cabin. I used to drive an Accord and I can tell you, the Max beats it hands down. I'm sure the Blandry is the same way. Long live the Maxima!
- Also, keep in mind though that the Maxima isn't truly in the same class as Accord's or Camry's: it's better. Nissan purposefully positions the Altima and the Maxima at the upper tansition points of the pricing segments. For example, the Altima is a much nicer car than a Civic, but it is also slightly more expensive. Same thing with the Maxima - a nicely equipped model will sticker a bit higher than a Camry - not quite "entry-level luxury car," but still higher than the other Japanese competitors. However, we get things like a little more spacious back seat, a nicer sound system, and a quieter cabin. I used to drive an Accord and I can tell you, the Max beats it hands down. I'm sure the Blandry is the same way. Long live the Maxima!
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Originally posted by mzmtg
The camry also comes with a V6 and 5spd combo.
The camry also comes with a V6 and 5spd combo.
no it dont.
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Why the Maxima is btter.
I used to have a 98, and now i have a 2k.
even the 4th gen. is better than a camry.
Camry vs 5th gen? Do we even have to ask?
Camry is better than the Accord, and Maxima is better than the Camry.
First of all, Maximas never had 4 cylinders. Never had, and Never will. It is true that Maximas cost a little more than Camrys, but it is because they are better.
Let's go over some things that can be observed and proved physically. Not those "My car is better because it's mine" things that can never be observed physically.
1) Vibration level:
My friend has a 96 Camry with 57k, and my brother has a 98 SE Maxima with 80k. The Max still feels SPANKING BRAND NEW!
Absolutely no vibrations whatsoever. Even in gear with your foot on the brake. It absolutely amazes me.
Now, my friend's Camry is a different story. His camry virbrates like a massager. In gear, it is absolutely terrible. Neutral is LITTLE better, but still way too much.
And let's remember, it's 80k vs 57k. In fact, his camry started vibrating way way before 57k, it started at like 30k. My friend has a 95 SE with 140,000 miles. Absolutley no vibrations. Still smooth as glass. VQ is one amazing engine. We all know that good cars don't vibrate.
2) The HVAC controls.
Did you ever try the "Fresh/Recirculation" thing on a Camry?
IT IS A FREAKING MANUAL LEVER!
You can actually hear the flaps shutting and opening.
It takes about 10lb of torque to switch the mode.
Even the Accords don't have it like that!
On the Maximas, it is a digital switch. You push a button instead of operationg a manual lever.
The temerature control dial is about as smooth to turn as
a stuck door ****. On the Maxima, it has that smooth horizantal switch. Very smoooooooth.
Oh, and let's not forget that Maximas are available with a DIGITAL AUTOMATIC climate control.
3) At one point, Camrys came with 14" wheels. My friend other friend had one. 14" wheels, HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!
4) Maximas come with standard ABS AND Disk brakes.
along with 222 horsepower. POW!!
and keyless entry, digital trunk and gas release,
and anti theft key with the CHIP!!
When you tell these things to a Camry owener, he will say,
"but Maximas cost more".
Then, get to this point.
Compare a fully loaded camry, which would be a XLE v6.
vs a fully loaded Maxima, which would be a topped out SE.
Well, guess what?
tell him that you can get a fully loaded Maxima for about the same as a fully loaded Camry, if not for less.
So, even under the generous assumption that a fully loaded Maxima and a fully loaded Camry cost about the same, the Maxiam still wins out. Maxiam simply offers more for the money.
*17" wheels, more HP, automatic climate control, more room,
steering wheel controls, And, get this Camry owners,
THE AWESOME 7 SPEAKER BOSE SYSTEM!!
but the truth is, a fully loaded Maxima costs LESS than a fully loaded camry. This is a no brainer.
And, if you fully option a Camry, you HAVE to get the auto, but not with the Maximas.
The winner is obvious. Not by opinions, buy by measurable physical facts.
Camry is a good car, I admit; but Maxima is a better car.
Randomly pick a camry with over 100k, and do the same with a Maxima. 10 out of 10 camrys will vibrate badly. But about 9 out 10 Maximas will be smooth as new.
I've done this myself.
(I am talking about 4th and 5th gen. by the way.)
ArcticMax
even the 4th gen. is better than a camry.
Camry vs 5th gen? Do we even have to ask?
Camry is better than the Accord, and Maxima is better than the Camry.
First of all, Maximas never had 4 cylinders. Never had, and Never will. It is true that Maximas cost a little more than Camrys, but it is because they are better.
Let's go over some things that can be observed and proved physically. Not those "My car is better because it's mine" things that can never be observed physically.
1) Vibration level:
My friend has a 96 Camry with 57k, and my brother has a 98 SE Maxima with 80k. The Max still feels SPANKING BRAND NEW!
Absolutely no vibrations whatsoever. Even in gear with your foot on the brake. It absolutely amazes me.
Now, my friend's Camry is a different story. His camry virbrates like a massager. In gear, it is absolutely terrible. Neutral is LITTLE better, but still way too much.
And let's remember, it's 80k vs 57k. In fact, his camry started vibrating way way before 57k, it started at like 30k. My friend has a 95 SE with 140,000 miles. Absolutley no vibrations. Still smooth as glass. VQ is one amazing engine. We all know that good cars don't vibrate.
2) The HVAC controls.
Did you ever try the "Fresh/Recirculation" thing on a Camry?
IT IS A FREAKING MANUAL LEVER!
You can actually hear the flaps shutting and opening.
It takes about 10lb of torque to switch the mode.
Even the Accords don't have it like that!
On the Maximas, it is a digital switch. You push a button instead of operationg a manual lever.
The temerature control dial is about as smooth to turn as
a stuck door ****. On the Maxima, it has that smooth horizantal switch. Very smoooooooth.
Oh, and let's not forget that Maximas are available with a DIGITAL AUTOMATIC climate control.
3) At one point, Camrys came with 14" wheels. My friend other friend had one. 14" wheels, HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!
4) Maximas come with standard ABS AND Disk brakes.
along with 222 horsepower. POW!!
and keyless entry, digital trunk and gas release,
and anti theft key with the CHIP!!
When you tell these things to a Camry owener, he will say,
"but Maximas cost more".
Then, get to this point.
Compare a fully loaded camry, which would be a XLE v6.
vs a fully loaded Maxima, which would be a topped out SE.
Well, guess what?
tell him that you can get a fully loaded Maxima for about the same as a fully loaded Camry, if not for less.
So, even under the generous assumption that a fully loaded Maxima and a fully loaded Camry cost about the same, the Maxiam still wins out. Maxiam simply offers more for the money.
*17" wheels, more HP, automatic climate control, more room,
steering wheel controls, And, get this Camry owners,
THE AWESOME 7 SPEAKER BOSE SYSTEM!!
but the truth is, a fully loaded Maxima costs LESS than a fully loaded camry. This is a no brainer.
And, if you fully option a Camry, you HAVE to get the auto, but not with the Maximas.
The winner is obvious. Not by opinions, buy by measurable physical facts.
Camry is a good car, I admit; but Maxima is a better car.
Randomly pick a camry with over 100k, and do the same with a Maxima. 10 out of 10 camrys will vibrate badly. But about 9 out 10 Maximas will be smooth as new.
I've done this myself.
(I am talking about 4th and 5th gen. by the way.)
ArcticMax
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Ok, seeing how my mom has a 99 Camry XLE V6 (with every single possible feature), let me post my opinion here.
Here's are my thoughts, comparing my 97 GXE to my mom's 99 XLE V6.
Engine: Both are excellent. I think the Maxima has a slightly better engine though, although the Camry is much smoother at idle (doesn't vibrate like mine...and like all automatic Maximas since the RPMS are so low ..like 600 or something).
Transmission: No question...when comparing automatics to automatics, Toyota automatic transmissions absolutely rule..super smooth, shifts at just the right time...maxima automatic SUCKS! It has horrible shift logic (like sticking in 2nd or 3rd when accelerating out of a rolling stop), and the shifts are not as smooth as Toyota. Oh, and yes the Camry LEV6 comes with a 5-spd manual although when you add the options on, the automatic is a required option.
Handling: Maxima wins. We all knew that already. But the Camry can handles the twisties if it has to. I've done Hwy1 in the Camry and it felt just fine. Steering was very well weighted...almost BMW like!
Brakes: No comparison. Maxima brakes are merely average. The pedal isn't very responsive and feels mushy compared with Toyota. I've always felt that Camry had great brakes, and they still do.
Ride: Camry..super smooth. Stock Maxima...average, bordering on rough. With suspension mods, the ride is downright harsh.
Interior: Camry looks cheap on the inside, but everything is well put together, and it's really all you need. We have the wood trim on our Camry and it looks very nice. Maxima's interior is a bit more sporty, but the vents are so far away that the AC fan feels weak. Also the interior on my Maxima has a bunch of rattles.
Exterior: It's subjective. Camry isn't that bad.
Reliability: Sorry, Camry wins hands down here. My Maxima hasn't been particularly reliable. I've had a leaky oil sending unit, broken alternator, leaking headlight, and ticking fan blower motor all replaced under warranty.
Crash Safety: Camry is very safe. Maxima is safe, but not quite as safe as the Camry. Let's just say this...my mom hit a deer on the freeway, going like 80MPH (the car was, not the deer) and it smashed up the front pretty bad. My mom made it out without a scratch. In fact, she drove the car 30 miles to get back home even though the front was smashed. So, as far as I can tell, it is a very safe car.
Dealer: Need I even mention it? Nissan dealers are by far the worst. Toyota dealers are second worst. Honda dealers, so I have heard, are pretty rude too.
So there you go. The Camry isn't such a bad car. It's the perfect car for the people who buy Camrys. Maximas are good too, but they aren't perfect.
Here's are my thoughts, comparing my 97 GXE to my mom's 99 XLE V6.
Engine: Both are excellent. I think the Maxima has a slightly better engine though, although the Camry is much smoother at idle (doesn't vibrate like mine...and like all automatic Maximas since the RPMS are so low ..like 600 or something).
Transmission: No question...when comparing automatics to automatics, Toyota automatic transmissions absolutely rule..super smooth, shifts at just the right time...maxima automatic SUCKS! It has horrible shift logic (like sticking in 2nd or 3rd when accelerating out of a rolling stop), and the shifts are not as smooth as Toyota. Oh, and yes the Camry LEV6 comes with a 5-spd manual although when you add the options on, the automatic is a required option.
Handling: Maxima wins. We all knew that already. But the Camry can handles the twisties if it has to. I've done Hwy1 in the Camry and it felt just fine. Steering was very well weighted...almost BMW like!
Brakes: No comparison. Maxima brakes are merely average. The pedal isn't very responsive and feels mushy compared with Toyota. I've always felt that Camry had great brakes, and they still do.
Ride: Camry..super smooth. Stock Maxima...average, bordering on rough. With suspension mods, the ride is downright harsh.
Interior: Camry looks cheap on the inside, but everything is well put together, and it's really all you need. We have the wood trim on our Camry and it looks very nice. Maxima's interior is a bit more sporty, but the vents are so far away that the AC fan feels weak. Also the interior on my Maxima has a bunch of rattles.
Exterior: It's subjective. Camry isn't that bad.
Reliability: Sorry, Camry wins hands down here. My Maxima hasn't been particularly reliable. I've had a leaky oil sending unit, broken alternator, leaking headlight, and ticking fan blower motor all replaced under warranty.
Crash Safety: Camry is very safe. Maxima is safe, but not quite as safe as the Camry. Let's just say this...my mom hit a deer on the freeway, going like 80MPH (the car was, not the deer) and it smashed up the front pretty bad. My mom made it out without a scratch. In fact, she drove the car 30 miles to get back home even though the front was smashed. So, as far as I can tell, it is a very safe car.
Dealer: Need I even mention it? Nissan dealers are by far the worst. Toyota dealers are second worst. Honda dealers, so I have heard, are pretty rude too.
So there you go. The Camry isn't such a bad car. It's the perfect car for the people who buy Camrys. Maximas are good too, but they aren't perfect.
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Camry's are a chick car - the Avalon is for Granny's
And neither one of them hold a candle to the Max. They are all nice cars but....
Ask the 100+ customers per day that prefer to rent the GXE Max's over a loaded Avalon. I've got 20 max's in the fleet and about the same camry's and Avalons.
Even if they don't request the Max over either one of those they always come back and comment on how the Max is the better car. Sounds like this guy has read one to many Consumer Report mags. I'll bet he also claims crap about the camry being the number one selling family sedan in America. - It's because car rental company's buy them by the lot load. Surveys of actual car owners preferences are far different. -
Many people are disulusions morons - Poor bastards.
"the more people I meet the more I like my dog"
Ask the 100+ customers per day that prefer to rent the GXE Max's over a loaded Avalon. I've got 20 max's in the fleet and about the same camry's and Avalons.
Even if they don't request the Max over either one of those they always come back and comment on how the Max is the better car. Sounds like this guy has read one to many Consumer Report mags. I'll bet he also claims crap about the camry being the number one selling family sedan in America. - It's because car rental company's buy them by the lot load. Surveys of actual car owners preferences are far different. -
Many people are disulusions morons - Poor bastards.
"the more people I meet the more I like my dog"
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Posts: 861
How about this...
I made my own chart before I bought my Maxima...
Back in August '99 I did research on Edmunds.com to find comparative resale values for (nearly) identically equipped Japanese cars. Resale value of Honda and Toyota were way up there for similarly equipped '95 and '97 models, Nissan was right in the middle with Mazda, and Mitsubishi resale SUCKS!! Just thought you guys might like to see what influenced my decision when I bought my car last year, along with the fact that Nissan was having a financial crisis (they sold me my '99 SE-L 5Spd, comf./conv, leather for a little over 23K - I still have the sticker, it's 28.5K)
I've already previewed this message and it puts a HUGE gap between here and the table I created.... please scroll down. Way down... The first column is the car I looked up, next is brand new 2000 list price, next is the current (August '99) value of a 97 model, then the percentage of the 2000 value that the '97 had maintained (i.e. the '97 Max kept 61% of the new price). I realize this isn't scientific b/c I'm comparing the resale of '95 & '97 models to new value of 2000 models instead of the original new value of the '95 & '97's, but I figure it's a pretty good indicator...
Any comments?
<TABLE CELLSPACING=0 BORDER=1 CELLPADDING=4 WIDTH=445>
<TR><TD WIDTH="25%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P>CAR</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">2000</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">97 Used Value</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P>% of 2000 Value</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">95 Used Value</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P>% of 2000 Value</FONT></TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="25%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P>max SE</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">23649</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">14440</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">0.610597</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">11045</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">0.467039</FONT></TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="25%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P>Accord EX 3.0 V6</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">24550</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">19740</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">0.804073</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">12845</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">0.523218</FONT></TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="25%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P>Galant LS V6</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">23657</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">12650</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">0.534725</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">8965</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">0.378958</FONT></TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="25%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P>Camry LE V6</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">22258</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">15210</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">0.68335</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">11410</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">0.512625</FONT></TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="25%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P>626 ES V6</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">22445</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">13560</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">0.604143</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">10060</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">0.448207</FONT></TD>
</TR>
</TABLE>
God damn that Galant lost it's value *WITH A QUICKNESS*!!! I can hardly believe it was my second choice after the Max (actually tied w/ the Accord)!
Justin
Back in August '99 I did research on Edmunds.com to find comparative resale values for (nearly) identically equipped Japanese cars. Resale value of Honda and Toyota were way up there for similarly equipped '95 and '97 models, Nissan was right in the middle with Mazda, and Mitsubishi resale SUCKS!! Just thought you guys might like to see what influenced my decision when I bought my car last year, along with the fact that Nissan was having a financial crisis (they sold me my '99 SE-L 5Spd, comf./conv, leather for a little over 23K - I still have the sticker, it's 28.5K)
I've already previewed this message and it puts a HUGE gap between here and the table I created.... please scroll down. Way down... The first column is the car I looked up, next is brand new 2000 list price, next is the current (August '99) value of a 97 model, then the percentage of the 2000 value that the '97 had maintained (i.e. the '97 Max kept 61% of the new price). I realize this isn't scientific b/c I'm comparing the resale of '95 & '97 models to new value of 2000 models instead of the original new value of the '95 & '97's, but I figure it's a pretty good indicator...
Any comments?
<TABLE CELLSPACING=0 BORDER=1 CELLPADDING=4 WIDTH=445>
<TR><TD WIDTH="25%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P>CAR</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">2000</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">97 Used Value</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P>% of 2000 Value</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">95 Used Value</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P>% of 2000 Value</FONT></TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="25%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P>max SE</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">23649</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">14440</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">0.610597</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">11045</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">0.467039</FONT></TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="25%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P>Accord EX 3.0 V6</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">24550</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">19740</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">0.804073</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">12845</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">0.523218</FONT></TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="25%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P>Galant LS V6</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">23657</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">12650</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">0.534725</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">8965</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P ALIGN="RIGHT">0.378958</FONT></TD>
</TR>
<TR><TD WIDTH="25%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
<FONT FACE="Arial" SIZE=2><P>Camry LE V6</FONT></TD>
<TD WIDTH="15%" VALIGN="TOP" HEIGHT=16>
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God damn that Galant lost it's value *WITH A QUICKNESS*!!! I can hardly believe it was my second choice after the Max (actually tied w/ the Accord)!
Justin
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whoa
you paid how much for your max - i have a 99 non SE-l with the security thing package hahha-- it has the homelink garage opener-- remote - remote windows - sunroof
pretty much has everything except for leather and bose
( and a full size spare - damn nissan for that )
and i paid about 20,000 this car came off of a lease last year with 25,000 miles
pretty much has everything except for leather and bose
( and a full size spare - damn nissan for that )
and i paid about 20,000 this car came off of a lease last year with 25,000 miles
A few of my friends have a Camry and they won't even think of comparing it to my Maxima. The Camry's suspension is way too soft and its way too slow compared to the max. But the biggest difference is the exterior styling where the Maxima wins hands down. Just my 2 cents
Traded in a 96 V6 camry on my 99se, Toyota tranmission is what Nissan needs to drive. Sport setting and shifts great just when you expected. My max shifts up way too quick and you have to manually shift it to hold gears. Straight line performance was close but max handles loads better. V6 and 4 cyl are two different cars. 4cyl shakes and is SLOW, my V6XLE you couldn't tell if it was running. Overall Camry was nice but max is way sportier....now if only nissan would make a decent auto transmission. Should of gotten 5spd I know, I know.... too late now.
Originally posted by Surge Diesal
I have a friend, lets just call him Mr. Naive. Who thinks that Camrys are the best car in their class. Now I tried to reason with him, he will not accept being wrong, so I bet him lunch if I could prove once and for all that Maximas f'n rule. I tried regaling facts of quarter mile timeslips, lateral acceleration, driver ergonomic orientation, and things of that nature; whereas, he argues that Camrys are more reliable. He will simply not listen to reason. Please help me out on this one, because I have finally run out of things to say.
I have a friend, lets just call him Mr. Naive. Who thinks that Camrys are the best car in their class. Now I tried to reason with him, he will not accept being wrong, so I bet him lunch if I could prove once and for all that Maximas f'n rule. I tried regaling facts of quarter mile timeslips, lateral acceleration, driver ergonomic orientation, and things of that nature; whereas, he argues that Camrys are more reliable. He will simply not listen to reason. Please help me out on this one, because I have finally run out of things to say.
My car before my Maxima was a 88 Camry V6, first year the Camry was offered with a 6, with over 250,000 miles. The engine was still strong but I put it into a concrete wall and the rest of the car wasn't the same after.
The car had like 149 HP, only an auto offered for the year I had, and it performed pretty good, but performance wise the Maxima is a lot better. If I was forced to get another Camry I wouldn't complain, they are bulletproof (Tranny had to be rebuilt after 120K but that is typical and that was the only major expense). But if you want performance, I would say stick with a Maxima.
(BTW I don't have experience at how long a Maxima will hold out, so I will not speak something that I may live to regret saying, although I do think of the Maxima as a very relieable car)
The car had like 149 HP, only an auto offered for the year I had, and it performed pretty good, but performance wise the Maxima is a lot better. If I was forced to get another Camry I wouldn't complain, they are bulletproof (Tranny had to be rebuilt after 120K but that is typical and that was the only major expense). But if you want performance, I would say stick with a Maxima.
(BTW I don't have experience at how long a Maxima will hold out, so I will not speak something that I may live to regret saying, although I do think of the Maxima as a very relieable car)
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Re: whoa
Hey Stillnmax, my wording may have been a little confusing...
$23,500 with ~1000 miles, sticker was $28,500.
The post kinda looks like I paid $28K for a car with 23K miles! DOH! that would suck. And yeah, I got the sliding moonroof, remote windows, and crappy security system too. The only thing I didn't get was the heated seats/side views (cold-weather package?). Anyway, it was one of the last 2 '99s on the lot, the other was an auto, and I wasn't having any of that!
Justin
$23,500 with ~1000 miles, sticker was $28,500.
The post kinda looks like I paid $28K for a car with 23K miles! DOH! that would suck. And yeah, I got the sliding moonroof, remote windows, and crappy security system too. The only thing I didn't get was the heated seats/side views (cold-weather package?). Anyway, it was one of the last 2 '99s on the lot, the other was an auto, and I wasn't having any of that!
Justin
Originally posted by Stillnmax
you paid how much for your max - i have a 99 non SE-l with the security thing package hahha-- it has the homelink garage opener-- remote - remote windows - sunroof
pretty much has everything except for leather and bose
( and a full size spare - damn nissan for that )
and i paid about 20,000 this car came off of a lease last year with 25,000 miles
you paid how much for your max - i have a 99 non SE-l with the security thing package hahha-- it has the homelink garage opener-- remote - remote windows - sunroof
pretty much has everything except for leather and bose
( and a full size spare - damn nissan for that )
and i paid about 20,000 this car came off of a lease last year with 25,000 miles
what's he want in a car?
We don't know what your friend is looking for in a car...
for 4th gen Maximas...
Maxima's are the most popular V6 jap import sedan by far.
(probably any import for that matter)
Nissan would be happy to show you studies of Maxima
reliability being ranked #1
Consumer Reports has Camry and Maxima reliability ratings almost identical (my book is 1999, so it only shows to 98)
all 5/5 in every category except 1 each (4/5 on both).
Camrii are highly prized by thieves (so are Accords).
While both can be had with a 5spd, only on the entry level Camry (CE/V6) while the Maxima can get 5spd on GXE and SE.
5th gens are larger and more powerful too boot.
for 4th gen Maximas...
Maxima's are the most popular V6 jap import sedan by far.
(probably any import for that matter)
Nissan would be happy to show you studies of Maxima
reliability being ranked #1
Consumer Reports has Camry and Maxima reliability ratings almost identical (my book is 1999, so it only shows to 98)
all 5/5 in every category except 1 each (4/5 on both).
Camrii are highly prized by thieves (so are Accords).
While both can be had with a 5spd, only on the entry level Camry (CE/V6) while the Maxima can get 5spd on GXE and SE.
5th gens are larger and more powerful too boot.
Originally posted by Surge Diesal
I have a friend, lets just call him Mr. Naive. Who thinks that Camrys are the best car in their class. Now I tried to reason with him, he will not accept being wrong, so I bet him lunch if I could prove once and for all that Maximas f'n rule. I tried regaling facts of quarter mile timeslips, lateral acceleration, driver ergonomic orientation, and things of that nature; whereas, he argues that Camrys are more reliable. He will simply not listen to reason. Please help me out on this one, because I have finally run out of things to say.
I have a friend, lets just call him Mr. Naive. Who thinks that Camrys are the best car in their class. Now I tried to reason with him, he will not accept being wrong, so I bet him lunch if I could prove once and for all that Maximas f'n rule. I tried regaling facts of quarter mile timeslips, lateral acceleration, driver ergonomic orientation, and things of that nature; whereas, he argues that Camrys are more reliable. He will simply not listen to reason. Please help me out on this one, because I have finally run out of things to say.
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I personally like the Maxima better than the Camry (well, of course I do, otherwise I wouldn't have one 
), but it seems like they both cater to different categories of buyers.
The Maxima's styling, both 4th and 5th gen, come across as being rather aggressive (especially when the 4th gen's fascia was updated for '97). They're very unique, and I doubt a Maxima could ever be mistaken for another car. Nissan clearly had performance in mind when the Maxima was designed. It's still the only midsize sedan available with such styling cues as white-face gauges =)
The Camry...well...it's boring. It looks like all the other cookie cutter sedans on the road. In fact, I've occasionally mistaken it for other sedans for a similar -- and yawn-inducing -- shape.
Whenever I see a 4th gen or 5th gen on the road, I think "damn that's a nice car". Everytime I walk to or away from my car, I'd think about how great it looks, especially from the front.
Nissan may have taken a styling gamble when designing the 4th gen, and subsequently, the 5th gen, but it paid off. They both look great, and very sporty.
"A car that offends nobody also excites nobody."
), but it seems like they both cater to different categories of buyers.The Maxima's styling, both 4th and 5th gen, come across as being rather aggressive (especially when the 4th gen's fascia was updated for '97). They're very unique, and I doubt a Maxima could ever be mistaken for another car. Nissan clearly had performance in mind when the Maxima was designed. It's still the only midsize sedan available with such styling cues as white-face gauges =)
The Camry...well...it's boring. It looks like all the other cookie cutter sedans on the road. In fact, I've occasionally mistaken it for other sedans for a similar -- and yawn-inducing -- shape.
Whenever I see a 4th gen or 5th gen on the road, I think "damn that's a nice car". Everytime I walk to or away from my car, I'd think about how great it looks, especially from the front.
Nissan may have taken a styling gamble when designing the 4th gen, and subsequently, the 5th gen, but it paid off. They both look great, and very sporty.
"A car that offends nobody also excites nobody."
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Mr. Naive IS right!!!
Originally posted by Surge Diesal
I have a friend, lets just call him Mr. Naive. Who thinks that Camrys are the best car in their class. Now I tried to reason with him, he will not accept being wrong, so I bet him lunch if I could prove once and for all that Maximas f'n rule. I tried regaling facts of quarter mile timeslips, lateral acceleration, driver ergonomic orientation, and things of that nature; whereas, he argues that Camrys are more reliable. He will simply not listen to reason. Please help me out on this one, because I have finally run out of things to say.
I have a friend, lets just call him Mr. Naive. Who thinks that Camrys are the best car in their class. Now I tried to reason with him, he will not accept being wrong, so I bet him lunch if I could prove once and for all that Maximas f'n rule. I tried regaling facts of quarter mile timeslips, lateral acceleration, driver ergonomic orientation, and things of that nature; whereas, he argues that Camrys are more reliable. He will simply not listen to reason. Please help me out on this one, because I have finally run out of things to say.
I am sorry - but Mr. Naive is right - Camry is the best - in THEIR CLASS. Maxima is a different class... Would you compare Daewoo - and Boing?! Maxima is much more luxary, relaible, faster... Simply - better, because it is in a different class... Hope, he will understand (and accept)this.
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Re: what's he want in a car?
Yes, Maximas are the most popular V6 import sedan, but the Toyota Camry is the most popular sedan in America...i.e. more people buy it than Maxima. Ok, if you take it on a technicality, like Maxima comes from overseas but Camry is built in America, then yes, I guess Maxima is the most popular "import" V6 sedan. But there are other "imported" sedans which are more popular than Maximas...like the Dodge Neon, which is built in Mexico. Camry LEV6 comes in base form with 5-spd too.
Originally posted by philpoe
We don't know what your friend is looking for in a car...
for 4th gen Maximas...
Maxima's are the most popular V6 jap import sedan by far.
(probably any import for that matter)
Nissan would be happy to show you studies of Maxima
reliability being ranked #1
Consumer Reports has Camry and Maxima reliability ratings almost identical (my book is 1999, so it only shows to 98)
all 5/5 in every category except 1 each (4/5 on both).
Camrii are highly prized by thieves (so are Accords).
While both can be had with a 5spd, only on the entry level Camry (CE/V6) while the Maxima can get 5spd on GXE and SE.
5th gens are larger and more powerful too boot.
We don't know what your friend is looking for in a car...
for 4th gen Maximas...
Maxima's are the most popular V6 jap import sedan by far.
(probably any import for that matter)
Nissan would be happy to show you studies of Maxima
reliability being ranked #1
Consumer Reports has Camry and Maxima reliability ratings almost identical (my book is 1999, so it only shows to 98)
all 5/5 in every category except 1 each (4/5 on both).
Camrii are highly prized by thieves (so are Accords).
While both can be had with a 5spd, only on the entry level Camry (CE/V6) while the Maxima can get 5spd on GXE and SE.
5th gens are larger and more powerful too boot.
Originally posted by Surge Diesal
I have a friend, lets just call him Mr. Naive. Who thinks that Camrys are the best car in their class. Now I tried to reason with him, he will not accept being wrong, so I bet him lunch if I could prove once and for all that Maximas f'n rule. I tried regaling facts of quarter mile timeslips, lateral acceleration, driver ergonomic orientation, and things of that nature; whereas, he argues that Camrys are more reliable. He will simply not listen to reason. Please help me out on this one, because I have finally run out of things to say.
I have a friend, lets just call him Mr. Naive. Who thinks that Camrys are the best car in their class. Now I tried to reason with him, he will not accept being wrong, so I bet him lunch if I could prove once and for all that Maximas f'n rule. I tried regaling facts of quarter mile timeslips, lateral acceleration, driver ergonomic orientation, and things of that nature; whereas, he argues that Camrys are more reliable. He will simply not listen to reason. Please help me out on this one, because I have finally run out of things to say.
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One big point...
Is there a Camry.Org where over 2000 members talk about what they've done/will do to their Camry's to make them better. I doubt it.
You have to consider the enthusiast level, too. 'Camry Maniac' or 'Camry Fanatic' just doesn't sound as good as 'Maxima Fanatic' or 'Maxima Maniac.'
Other thing is, even though the engines(VQ vs Camry's V6) are kinda similar(3L, quad cam, 24v), the Maxima's VQ was at least designed with performance in mind. It would have had a performance heritage, if that German touring car series hadn't been cancelled. What else did Toyota use the Camry's V6 for? It goes in the Solara, Sienna, and Lexus ES300. It's a grocery getter. You know it, I know it, and the American people know it.
Sure the Camry sells better than the Max, but that's because it's got two engine choices(and thus no chassis/engine optimization). But the Max is the driver's car of the two.
You have to consider the enthusiast level, too. 'Camry Maniac' or 'Camry Fanatic' just doesn't sound as good as 'Maxima Fanatic' or 'Maxima Maniac.'Other thing is, even though the engines(VQ vs Camry's V6) are kinda similar(3L, quad cam, 24v), the Maxima's VQ was at least designed with performance in mind. It would have had a performance heritage, if that German touring car series hadn't been cancelled. What else did Toyota use the Camry's V6 for? It goes in the Solara, Sienna, and Lexus ES300. It's a grocery getter. You know it, I know it, and the American people know it.
Sure the Camry sells better than the Max, but that's because it's got two engine choices(and thus no chassis/engine optimization). But the Max is the driver's car of the two.
Re: what's he want in a car?
From my understanding, there are more Maximas (all models have a V6) sold than V6 versions of Camrys (my info probably Nissan biased).
Honda Accord and Ford Taurus would argue most popular US Sedan as well.
I forgot that LE version is available with 5spd. Thanks
(But a 5th Gen GXE is comparably priced to said LE V6)
Honda Accord and Ford Taurus would argue most popular US Sedan as well.
I forgot that LE version is available with 5spd. Thanks
(But a 5th Gen GXE is comparably priced to said LE V6)
Originally posted by Eric L.
Yes, Maximas are the most popular V6 import sedan, but the Toyota Camry is the most popular sedan in America...i.e. more people buy it than Maxima.
Yes, Maximas are the most popular V6 import sedan, but the Toyota Camry is the most popular sedan in America...i.e. more people buy it than Maxima.
Originally posted by philpoe
We don't know what your friend is looking for in a car...
We don't know what your friend is looking for in a car...
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I'm sorry and I probably should stick to the 3rd gen board but I just can't help myself. My sister has a '97 XLE gold package Camry. First off, my '93 SE has ALL the options hers does (leather seats heated mirrors, rear defrost, security system etc.). The only things I don't have is a passenger side airbag and a remote locks. Mine handles way, better STOCK. I have the relatively the same horsepower hers does and mine's FASTER. I have a WAY better sound system. Her car leaks, her fake *** wood trim is peeling off, and the rims are all oxidized. My car has NONE of this. Keep in mind her car was Toyota CERTIFIED when it was bought in '99. Mine was Nissan CERTIFIED in when it was bought in '96. Who builds a better car? I think you all know the answer now.
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check my 5 speed V6
camrys dont come in stick?
I guess i have the only one in existence!! Actually i only know of a handful of others with the 5 speed v6 version. To add to the rareness of my car i got something i dont think you guys can get....CARBON FIBER HOOD
or can you? i havent seen one yet. I like maximas dont get me wrong, why else would i be on here. But the camry is a good car in its own ways. The 4th gen? versions stack up really close to each other. My friend has a 97 5 speed maxima and when we race its neck and neck. He has run a best time of 15.2 to my best of 15.3 on 17 inch rims and full street trim. His was done with no spare and stock alloy wheels.
I guess i have the only one in existence!! Actually i only know of a handful of others with the 5 speed v6 version. To add to the rareness of my car i got something i dont think you guys can get....CARBON FIBER HOOD
or can you? i havent seen one yet. I like maximas dont get me wrong, why else would i be on here. But the camry is a good car in its own ways. The 4th gen? versions stack up really close to each other. My friend has a 97 5 speed maxima and when we race its neck and neck. He has run a best time of 15.2 to my best of 15.3 on 17 inch rims and full street trim. His was done with no spare and stock alloy wheels.
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Oh and my car isn't a "base" model. I got a 1999 Toyota Camry LE V6 5 speed with alloy rims,Cd/Tape stereo,side airbags basically everything i wanted without leather and sunroof (neither i wanted) for a grand total of $20,500 out the door.
I would have gotten a 2000 max but the cost was much more. And i couldnt find a 5 speed model with cloth seats and no sunroof. With that extra money, i got ACT clutch, 9lb aluminum flywheel,lowering springs,short shifter,carbon fiber hood and im getting TRD supercharger, TRD limited slip differential and struts soon....
As far as liking each car thats in the eyes of the beholder...personally i like both cars cause they each have their goods and bads.
I would have gotten a 2000 max but the cost was much more. And i couldnt find a 5 speed model with cloth seats and no sunroof. With that extra money, i got ACT clutch, 9lb aluminum flywheel,lowering springs,short shifter,carbon fiber hood and im getting TRD supercharger, TRD limited slip differential and struts soon....
As far as liking each car thats in the eyes of the beholder...personally i like both cars cause they each have their goods and bads.
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heres my 2¢
Originally posted by Black VQ
Is there a Camry.Org where over 2000 members talk about what they've done/will do to their Camry's to make them better. I doubt it. You have to consider the enthusiast level, too. 'Camry Maniac' or 'Camry Fanatic' just doesn't sound as good as 'Maxima Fanatic' or 'Maxima Maniac.'
Other thing is, even though the engines(VQ vs Camry's V6) are kinda similar(3L, quad cam, 24v), the Maxima's VQ was at least designed with performance in mind. It would have had a performance heritage, if that German touring car series hadn't been cancelled. What else did Toyota use the Camry's V6 for? It goes in the Solara, Sienna, and Lexus ES300. It's a grocery getter. You know it, I know it, and the American people know it.
Sure the Camry sells better than the Max, but that's because it's got two engine choices(and thus no chassis/engine optimization). But the Max is the driver's car of the two.
Is there a Camry.Org where over 2000 members talk about what they've done/will do to their Camry's to make them better. I doubt it.
You have to consider the enthusiast level, too. 'Camry Maniac' or 'Camry Fanatic' just doesn't sound as good as 'Maxima Fanatic' or 'Maxima Maniac.'Other thing is, even though the engines(VQ vs Camry's V6) are kinda similar(3L, quad cam, 24v), the Maxima's VQ was at least designed with performance in mind. It would have had a performance heritage, if that German touring car series hadn't been cancelled. What else did Toyota use the Camry's V6 for? It goes in the Solara, Sienna, and Lexus ES300. It's a grocery getter. You know it, I know it, and the American people know it.
Sure the Camry sells better than the Max, but that's because it's got two engine choices(and thus no chassis/engine optimization). But the Max is the driver's car of the two.
but its all good im not trying to change your mind cause you are supposed to love the car you drive, i do. Guys on the camry boards diss maximas. I dont however. In actuality camrys and maximas are both grocery getters, neither is a "race car" and i actually like the maxima better for a luxury car. The camry believe it or not is a better platform for modding since most of the MR2 turbo drivetrain is the same as the v6 camry and the supercharger offered is a factory designed part, but thats just my opinion. We could argue till our faces are blue.(at least stillens supercharger can be intercooled i hate that about the TRD version we get) My friend has an 97 SE 5 speed and my car is equal to his (i actually beat him but i am the better driver
)when i had less mods. He only has 9,000 more miles than i do. I love maximas based on the fact that the new max has 222 horses and flys! I love it, like i love every other fast four door sedan on the market that comes in stick(m3,m5,maxima,camry,A4,S4 etc etc) I dunno maybe thats where i differ from most people. I picked the camry cause it was the fastest for the price brand new. And i like the TRD support that it receives.
Re: heres my 2¢
Glok, man I see you everywhere in the net. Very nice car dude! Kinda refreshing to see a modded camry ya know? I agree w/ you 100%. Maximas and Camry engines are way too close for anyone here(w/o a serious engineering degree)to make comments regarding which is better etc.. Especially when the Camry and 4-gen maximas are pretty similar in hp.
Originally posted by gLok
WOW! I dunno bout you guys but i dont care how many other guys have the same car as me to raise the "enthusiast level" I like going to moroso and being the only 5 speed v6 camry out there. For all i know im the only one in florida that has mods on his! but its all good im not trying to change your mind cause you are supposed to love the car you drive, i do. Guys on the camry boards diss maximas. I dont however. In actuality camrys and maximas are both grocery getters, neither is a "race car" and i actually like the maxima better for a luxury car. The camry believe it or not is a better platform for modding since most of the MR2 turbo drivetrain is the same as the v6 camry and the supercharger offered is a factory designed part, but thats just my opinion. We could argue till our faces are blue.(at least stillens supercharger can be intercooled i hate that about the TRD version we get)
My friend has an 97 SE 5 speed and my car is equal to his (i actually beat him but i am the better driver )when i had less mods. He only has 9,000 more miles than i do. I love maximas based on the fact that the new max has 222 horses and flys! I love it, like i love every other fast four door sedan on the market that comes in stick(m3,m5,maxima,camry,A4,S4 etc etc) I dunno maybe thats where i differ from most people. I picked the camry cause it was the fastest for the price brand new. And i like the TRD support that it receives.
Originally posted by Black VQ
Is there a Camry.Org where over 2000 members talk about what they've done/will do to their Camry's to make them better. I doubt it. You have to consider the enthusiast level, too. 'Camry Maniac' or 'Camry Fanatic' just doesn't sound as good as 'Maxima Fanatic' or 'Maxima Maniac.'
Other thing is, even though the engines(VQ vs Camry's V6) are kinda similar(3L, quad cam, 24v), the Maxima's VQ was at least designed with performance in mind. It would have had a performance heritage, if that German touring car series hadn't been cancelled. What else did Toyota use the Camry's V6 for? It goes in the Solara, Sienna, and Lexus ES300. It's a grocery getter. You know it, I know it, and the American people know it.
Sure the Camry sells better than the Max, but that's because it's got two engine choices(and thus no chassis/engine optimization). But the Max is the driver's car of the two.
Is there a Camry.Org where over 2000 members talk about what they've done/will do to their Camry's to make them better. I doubt it.
You have to consider the enthusiast level, too. 'Camry Maniac' or 'Camry Fanatic' just doesn't sound as good as 'Maxima Fanatic' or 'Maxima Maniac.'Other thing is, even though the engines(VQ vs Camry's V6) are kinda similar(3L, quad cam, 24v), the Maxima's VQ was at least designed with performance in mind. It would have had a performance heritage, if that German touring car series hadn't been cancelled. What else did Toyota use the Camry's V6 for? It goes in the Solara, Sienna, and Lexus ES300. It's a grocery getter. You know it, I know it, and the American people know it.
Sure the Camry sells better than the Max, but that's because it's got two engine choices(and thus no chassis/engine optimization). But the Max is the driver's car of the two.
but its all good im not trying to change your mind cause you are supposed to love the car you drive, i do. Guys on the camry boards diss maximas. I dont however. In actuality camrys and maximas are both grocery getters, neither is a "race car" and i actually like the maxima better for a luxury car. The camry believe it or not is a better platform for modding since most of the MR2 turbo drivetrain is the same as the v6 camry and the supercharger offered is a factory designed part, but thats just my opinion. We could argue till our faces are blue.(at least stillens supercharger can be intercooled i hate that about the TRD version we get) My friend has an 97 SE 5 speed and my car is equal to his (i actually beat him but i am the better driver
)when i had less mods. He only has 9,000 more miles than i do. I love maximas based on the fact that the new max has 222 horses and flys! I love it, like i love every other fast four door sedan on the market that comes in stick(m3,m5,maxima,camry,A4,S4 etc etc) I dunno maybe thats where i differ from most people. I picked the camry cause it was the fastest for the price brand new. And i like the TRD support that it receives.
damn, my friend is the same freakin way as yours....
My friend has a 92 LE V6, he was talking so much **** its not even funny, I finally raced his *** and tore him a new a-hole We were just about even until the top of 2nd gear, as I got to 3rd I was pulling away from him effortlessly.. thats auto vs. auto V6 vs. V6. same class cars, almost same years.. Camry's handle like **** compared to a maxima, the steering feels weird, I do like the automatic transmission of a Camry though, very smooth shifts, doesn't hesitate like my POS tranny.
When I was shopping for a car, I was looking for a 4 door midsize sedan with a V6. Camry and Maxima were top choices.
I think the full potential of a Maxima is in a 5 speed. Automatics SUKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We were just about even until the top of 2nd gear, as I got to 3rd I was pulling away from him effortlessly.. thats auto vs. auto V6 vs. V6. same class cars, almost same years.. Camry's handle like **** compared to a maxima, the steering feels weird, I do like the automatic transmission of a Camry though, very smooth shifts, doesn't hesitate like my POS tranny. When I was shopping for a car, I was looking for a 4 door midsize sedan with a V6. Camry and Maxima were top choices.
I think the full potential of a Maxima is in a 5 speed. Automatics SUKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Why MAxima is better?!
Jast visit this site:
http://www.carreview.com/reviews/midsize_compacts/
127 Maxima owners(4.57 points of 5) - and 89 Camry owners (3.99 point of 5) - are telling you - why!
http://www.carreview.com/reviews/midsize_compacts/
127 Maxima owners(4.57 points of 5) - and 89 Camry owners (3.99 point of 5) - are telling you - why!