Don't remember the tq #'s but I think the lowest one was still over 235 maybe even 240

 

Any plans for additional mods, i.e. pftb, exhaust, meth and more timing

 

yea thats a hell of a difference

 

3" exhaust.

 

I wouldn't exactly call it power robbing. You can make the cam spacers to specific specifications to optimize the power output versus rpm based on where you need your powerband to be. Cam choice and rev limit are major influences to decide what is the best way to set the adapters.

But all this is debatable either way. The bottom line is that you can't argue with simple physics. There is no replacement for displacement. So regardless of what might or might not be variable on the motor (IVT, EVT 00VI and whatever other acronyms we have for our motors), you will always make more useable power when you have more displacement to start with given all other factors are equal.

I can see a 280-300whp dyno with these heads sitting on a 3.5 block with stock internals. But again, that's not what this thread is about. Ceff's car moves like a **** now and all his work payed off. I'm waiting to hear some more kill stories.

 

Anyways. Displacement really isn't the idea here. This is an experiment, to push the existing platform to its limits. No more, no less.

 

VF43 WRX @20psi, Cobb street tune & TBE from 50-110 on a 'closed course.'

 

Track opens in Feb, in for trap speeds

 

American 00VI...

 

I wanna see kill videos... n yes it is power robbing as no matter what u do to the 3.0 timing if it was done with 3.5 timing then you would make more but I'm sure you don't realy disagree when I read the whole post.......

 

I don't disagree at all. I'm just saying that there's a lot more to it. Basically, you can make the same peak numbers with 3.0 timing on a 3.5, but you will sacrifice some power elsewhere. (assuming you set the cam timing appropriately versus neutral specs) Versus the car with 3.5 timing that can optimize the cam timing through tuning on the fly.

So yes you're right about overall area under the curve, but with the right gearing, rev limit, cam timing, the useable power band will be the same. Obviously, you would prefer to do this with tuning (3.5 electronics) over swaping out/redrilling cam spacers. (3.0 timing)

 

too much work lol

 

This thread has more 3.5 talk in it than it does 3.0.

 

Becuz joo no tawk bout twee point oh....

Do you have any flow information on the heads?

 

unfortunately the 3.0 is always going to underachieve from the 3.5 in the N/A category... and with every dyno it will unfortunately be the topic of discussion, because with a 3.5 swap being so readily available and so easily done, when you throw a lot of money into the DEK and make less power than a 3.5 then these are discussions that will always come up granted that we all know you didnt do this because you were comparing numbers between the two, more so trying to push you're current motor to its limits or somewhere close or that makes you comfortable...

I also blame this partially on myself and every other DEK orger or lurker who just sits around waiting for a guinea pig to copy his mod list n hope for the same, (granted i dont wait for somebody to prove something that common sense should) ive never really been into proving a DEK to be better or worse than whatever other motor made for our cars, its great the results that you got and i think its a result i would be comfortable with if i really wanted to stick with the motor that came with the car.... good stuff cef...

 

...the 3.0 still has the highest recorded NA HP/liter in terms of FWD non-ITB equipped examples.

100 + HP / L on 10:1 CR revving < 8K would be impressive for porsche - let alone a 15+ year old nissan engine design.

 

and thats a win how???.... so if a .5 liter motor produced 140whp why do i care???.... if you gotta really going into all this math n physics and what not to prove what seems to be a point then o.k i guess....

 

Not bad. My buddy has a similar set-up to that on his 02 wrx.

But come back when you run a VF52 with a Cobb tune and bolt-ons

 

 

like ^^^

 

UPDATE.



3" exhaust/3" test pipe.



Happy with the final results, this motor is 100% completed. Success.

 

sounds delicious...grats man

 

Very Nice Numbers again....

 

Nice numbers Ceff, Sounds sick 3'' FTW

 

jesus christ will you guys knock off all the 3.5 talk. Every thread where a 3.0 is over 200whp "oh it will be so much cheaper to just swap a 3.5", seriously shut the **** up already. Can we just be happy that a 3.0 has made this kind of power on STOCK COMPRESSION. Go argue 3.5s somewhere else.

 

^^^ Im going to have to agree with Crusher on that one.

 

 

Definitely have to give you congratulations. You said you were going to do it, and you held it down and did it, kudos bratha.

 

But some of the most miserable TQ #'s, makes the SR20 a more viable option for power.

HP Sells cars, TQ wins races.... Errr

HP wins MOTQ, TQ makes better track times #fixed

I'm not arguing 3.5's I'm arguing 2.0s

In the end 248whp sounds good for a dyno queen, and I think that's what he tried to accomplish.

So good job.

 

I ain't even mad.

hp = [tq*rpm]/5252. My whole theory on this is, it's a tiny V6, the way it builds power, is by revving it to the moon. So I'm gonna take full advantage of that, period, end of story. IDGAF about WTQ with this car, the topend is awesome and it's a 3.0L with big cams and a big pipe so I'm hardly concerned.

 

especially when some of the guys arguing don't have over 200whp to their name, you know who you are



Good job Moncef! Nice to see its finally at the stage you wanted it to be. Whats next?

 

I'd like to see it on a dynojet.

 

A muthaFCKin GTR, beeeeeeeyatch.

 

You can't handle that much hp/tq

 

STFU and part out another car.

 

Tuned in for track times.... I sure hope I see over a 105mph at least... I don't rally care for u 1/4 times cef... just give me MPH lls

 

For this ... ceffy needs to run on skreet tyres and launch damn near redline...well, ok not your redline ceffy, . Say 5k or so. 2.3+ 60', 103-105 trap.

 

103 if this dyno is the same as a dynojet.... according to everybody it should be in the 270's... with 270's he should be trapping 105-108... with 103 I can see his car dynoing 248 on a dynojet also

 

It's tough to see there, but what are the TQ numbers from before/after the 3" exhaust? So you gained 8 whp with the 3"?

Very impressive numbers BTW, congrats! I'll be happy if my DE-K can reach 220 whp

Does anyone have a rough idea of the highest wtq achieved on a NA 3.0? I remember DandyMax was somewhere around 205, and about the same for 98BlackMaxSE. Can a 3.0 get much higher than that?

 

Parted out one and went str8 into modding another