High EGT = no race against a Prosche Boxter
#1
High EGT = no race against a Prosche Boxter
while I was driving on a on ramp to another freeway today, I noticed that a Boxter was following me really close...and I really wanted to find out if I can run with this nice machine.
once I got off the ramp, I pulled to inner lane and let him get right next to me. he saw me pulled off and quickt he caught up with me and stayed in the outter lane. the road was clear @ 6:05am.......got my car at 4th gear, 2500 rpm @ 60mph. I know once I floored the pedal, she will downshift to the second to 5500rpm and I might have a chance to pull on him.
once I am ready to go....I took a quick glance at my EGT and turned out that my EGT is really high. 750c @ 60mph, 2500rpm. we were running on an uphill road too. affraid of ruining my car, I didnt step on her....and I had no choice but to watch the porsche getting away from me.
Why is my EGT so high? at cruising, it seems fine....80mph and I am only getting 640c the most. but once on uphill road (only 10% incline the most) it just works all the way to the top.
am I detonating? I didnt hear anything.....the only noise that I have is the ypipe rattling against something (it doesnt show up all the time). If I am detonating....isnt my knock sensor supposed to retard my timing and make my car slower?
is my stock cat-back too restrictive??
thx for any help~
#2
Wow.. 1382 @ 60mph definitely high.. When I cruise @ 80 my egt is only like 1200.. When you drive the car hard the EGT does go up..
Now we have a porshe boxster thinking he can take a boosted max. If it was just a regular and not a "s" you should have been able to take him
Now we have a porshe boxster thinking he can take a boosted max. If it was just a regular and not a "s" you should have been able to take him
#3
Originally posted by PCGuRu2K
Wow.. 1382 @ 60mph definitely high.. When I cruise @ 80 my egt is only like 1200.. When you drive the car hard the EGT does go up..
Wow.. 1382 @ 60mph definitely high.. When I cruise @ 80 my egt is only like 1200.. When you drive the car hard the EGT does go up..
I dont know what caused the EGT to go that high at that moment. (it is always high when I drive that uphill road) It was a curvey on ramp and follow by a 10% incline freeway.
Now we have a porshe boxster thinking he can take a boosted max. If it was just a regular and not a "s" you should have been able to take him
#4
Re: High EGT = no race against a Prosche Boxter
Originally posted by [maxi-overdose]
once I am ready to go....I took a quick glance at my EGT and turned out that my EGT is really high. 750c @ 60mph, 2500rpm. we were running on an uphill road too. affraid of ruining my car, I didnt step on her....and I had no choice but to watch the porsche getting away from me.
Why is my EGT so high? at cruising, it seems fine....80mph and I am only getting 640c the most. but once on uphill road (only 10% incline the most) it just works all the way to the top.
once I am ready to go....I took a quick glance at my EGT and turned out that my EGT is really high. 750c @ 60mph, 2500rpm. we were running on an uphill road too. affraid of ruining my car, I didnt step on her....and I had no choice but to watch the porsche getting away from me.
Why is my EGT so high? at cruising, it seems fine....80mph and I am only getting 640c the most. but once on uphill road (only 10% incline the most) it just works all the way to the top.
#5
Re: Re: High EGT = no race against a Prosche Boxter
Originally posted by Stephen Max
You have to give it more gas when going uphill. More gas = higher EGTs.
You have to give it more gas when going uphill. More gas = higher EGTs.
I was partial throttling again to adjust to the right rpm for bost.
#7
Originally posted by CBass69187
Have you considered getting a new exhaust? That should help a little but an intercooler would be nice also. Are you tuned?
Have you considered getting a new exhaust? That should help a little but an intercooler would be nice also. Are you tuned?
intercooler might be too expensive for me. I am thinking about using water/alcohol injection. cheaper (400)...but you have to fill the resevoir frequently.
I am not tuned, super rich under 10:1 AFR.
#8
Re: Re: Re: High EGT = no race against a Prosche Boxter
Originally posted by [maxi-overdose]
hmmm.....but I want to lower the EGT so that I can boost with the porsche though.
I was partial throttling again to adjust to the right rpm for bost.
hmmm.....but I want to lower the EGT so that I can boost with the porsche though.
I was partial throttling again to adjust to the right rpm for bost.
#9
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Originally posted by Stephen Max
You probably would have been okay once you went to WOT and got that 10:1 fmu into action.
You probably would have been okay once you went to WOT and got that 10:1 fmu into action.
wouldnt high tempearture damage the engine interals?
#10
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: High EGT = no race against a Prosche Boxter
Originally posted by [maxi-overdose]
I have an 8:1
wouldnt high tempearture damage the engine interals?
I have an 8:1
wouldnt high tempearture damage the engine interals?
and I just read this article....
detonation will cause the EGT to drop...
The other technique is a little more subtle but usable if attention is paid to EGT (Exhaust Gas Temperature). Detonation will actually cause EGTs to drop. This behavior has fooled a lot of people because they will watch the EGT and think that it is in a low enough range to be safe, the only reason it is low is because the engine is detonating.
The only way you know what is actually happening is to be very familiar with your specific engine EGT readings as calibrations and probe locations vary. If, for example, you normally run 1500 degrees at a given MAP setting and you suddenly see 1125 after picking up a fresh load of fuel you should be alert to possible or incipient detonation. Any drop from normal EGT should be reason for concern. Using the "Tin Ear" during the early test stage and watching the EGT very carefully, other than just plain listening with your ear without any augmentation, is the only way to identify detonation. The good thing is, most engines will live with a fairly high level of detonation for some period of time. It is not an instantaneous type failure.
The only way you know what is actually happening is to be very familiar with your specific engine EGT readings as calibrations and probe locations vary. If, for example, you normally run 1500 degrees at a given MAP setting and you suddenly see 1125 after picking up a fresh load of fuel you should be alert to possible or incipient detonation. Any drop from normal EGT should be reason for concern. Using the "Tin Ear" during the early test stage and watching the EGT very carefully, other than just plain listening with your ear without any augmentation, is the only way to identify detonation. The good thing is, most engines will live with a fairly high level of detonation for some period of time. It is not an instantaneous type failure.
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Originally posted by [maxi-overdose]
I have an 8:1
wouldnt high tempearture damage the engine interals?
I have an 8:1
wouldnt high tempearture damage the engine interals?
Where did you read about detonation causing EGT to drop? I'm not disputing, I'd like to read that article.
#12
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Originally posted by Stephen Max
Sorry, I meant 8:1. If you are running rich at WOT, like you've said in other posts, then even though your EGT was higher than you expected at partial throttle at 60 mph (but that was because you were going up the hill), once you went WOT your rich, fmu-controlled afr would have kept temperatures down. In theory.
Where did you read about detonation causing EGT to drop? I'm not disputing, I'd like to read that article.
Sorry, I meant 8:1. If you are running rich at WOT, like you've said in other posts, then even though your EGT was higher than you expected at partial throttle at 60 mph (but that was because you were going up the hill), once you went WOT your rich, fmu-controlled afr would have kept temperatures down. In theory.
Where did you read about detonation causing EGT to drop? I'm not disputing, I'd like to read that article.
here is the link.....I got it by searching under yahoo with "detonation and EGT"
thx for your help
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Originally posted by [maxi-overdose]
http://www.streetrodstuff.com/Articl...e_Basics_V.php
here is the link.....I got it by searching under yahoo with "detonation and EGT"
thx for your help
http://www.streetrodstuff.com/Articl...e_Basics_V.php
here is the link.....I got it by searching under yahoo with "detonation and EGT"
thx for your help
"We now know that the Hemi design is at the worst end of the spectrum for a combustion chamber "
now that Dodge has a big advertising campaign selling the Hemi engine.
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Jer: you had stock bpipe with EGT gauge, right? how does the EGT look after you get the aftermarket car-back?
no problem stephen....why is this line so interesting? sorry that I dont have any knowledge in hemi engine.
I didnt see that boxster today. but instead, an M3 (last gen) was following me and I sure gave him a good run!
Originally posted by Stephen Max
Thanks, Maxi. Pretty interesting stuff, especially this:
"We now know that the Hemi design is at the worst end of the spectrum for a combustion chamber "
now that Dodge has a big advertising campaign selling the Hemi engine.
Thanks, Maxi. Pretty interesting stuff, especially this:
"We now know that the Hemi design is at the worst end of the spectrum for a combustion chamber "
now that Dodge has a big advertising campaign selling the Hemi engine.
I didnt see that boxster today. but instead, an M3 (last gen) was following me and I sure gave him a good run!
#16
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Originally posted by [maxi-overdose]
no problem stephen....why is this line so interesting? sorry that I dont have any knowledge in hemi engine.
no problem stephen....why is this line so interesting? sorry that I dont have any knowledge in hemi engine.
#17
Dont sweat the EGT's till you got well into the 800's, like 820 or so. My bet is when you floored it from 750 your EGT's would have dropped because the FMU would have ritchend it up. Ive seen it happen. Part throttle cruising on the interstate I see 760 all the time, then nail it and it drops.
#18
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: High EGT = no race against a Prosche Boxter
Originally posted by [maxi-overdose]
and I just read this article....
detonation will cause the EGT to drop...
now I am confused...I thought it will raise the EGT.
and I just read this article....
detonation will cause the EGT to drop...
now I am confused...I thought it will raise the EGT.
#19
Originally posted by MardiGrasMax
Dont sweat the EGT's till you got well into the 800's, like 820 or so. My bet is when you floored it from 750 your EGT's would have dropped because the FMU would have ritchend it up. Ive seen it happen. Part throttle cruising on the interstate I see 760 all the time, then nail it and it drops.
Dont sweat the EGT's till you got well into the 800's, like 820 or so. My bet is when you floored it from 750 your EGT's would have dropped because the FMU would have ritchend it up. Ive seen it happen. Part throttle cruising on the interstate I see 760 all the time, then nail it and it drops.
you and Stephen are right and I tested today too. The EGT was 750 before boosting....once I floored the pedal, it went up a little and then dropped back down to 720 and stayed there. I floored it again right after and it didnt go up.
thx
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Re: High EGT = no race against a Prosche Boxter
once you floor it and the FMU detects boost your FP will go up and it wont let your EGT surpass 800 Degrees Celsius, My EGTs are between 600-720 Celsius just regular crusing.
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Afraid I never took the route on this car
Originally posted by [maxi-overdose]
Jer: you had stock bpipe with EGT gauge, right? how does the EGT look after you get the aftermarket car-back?
no problem stephen....why is this line so interesting? sorry that I dont have any knowledge in hemi engine.
I didnt see that boxster today. but instead, an M3 (last gen) was following me and I sure gave him a good run!
Jer: you had stock bpipe with EGT gauge, right? how does the EGT look after you get the aftermarket car-back?
no problem stephen....why is this line so interesting? sorry that I dont have any knowledge in hemi engine.
I didnt see that boxster today. but instead, an M3 (last gen) was following me and I sure gave him a good run!
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