How about building a 5th gen kit?

 

I am glad you bought this back, this thread helps others see what type of kits are out there and the support they can expect to have when spending $4300+.......

Thanks Kev

 

15000 is paying out of your ****..........
just curious how much did he spend on his turbo kit?

but yes you do have to pay to play. if not now then later down the line.

i have seen stuff like this with turbo kits before. its not new to me. i guess i have seen this so much over the past few years around so cali that its nothing new to me. people usually find the place and fix it cause really besides putting some one in the hospital and complaining there is nothing you can really do.

i don't think hal has sold another turbo kit ever since the quality of the kit has been made public to the maxima community. everyone knows already.

if people do not know then a sticky in the boost forum may be in order.
on his kit alone so everyone can look and draw there own conclusions.

if i were ever to go turbo there is only one shop i would trust with my car. but im still playing with my supercharger right now.

TSR fabrications
in gardena.

i have seen his work and it is secound to none. but at the same time. i know i will have to shell 6k at least for the kit.

 

Right. Also the issue to me is not even the welds in that they were nastly looking. I actually at this point even though im a perfectionist wouldnt care if the weld bead was like a 1/2" thick bead and looked like jbweld put on it. As long as it held and worked, at this point I dont care. But the fact is it did NOT hold, more than 75% of them leaked because of poor workmanship, not costmetic/showmanship, WORKmanship.

Also the fact that people think all this R&D work was put into it, again take a look at the 3rd picture and tell me what R&D work was put in there? The person and probably HAL actually stuck a small 2" piece of 2.5" piping and jammed it into the mandrel bend, and since it didnt match, they cut slits into the bend, bent the slots, and then welded that down, and also it leaked. If anything Im going to showcase this piece cause to me, its artwork. Even I couldnt do that type of weld. Shiet... my 15yr experienced welder doesnt even know how to do that.

I mean its not only the point that it was a poorworkman ship job, but its kind of embarassing knowing that Im a person that buys quality things and everything on my car is quality installed and taken care of and looks like it represents who I am in that I put alot of work/effort into this car. Then I get turbo experts that look at this kit and think wtf is this? They ridicule me and make me feel like an idiot for even buying this kit. Im not saying thats anyone problems, its oviously my fault there. And then I also wonder why the gains suck, well its pretty evident why they suck then you got boost leaks, exhausts leaks from welds, and pipes are that jammed into others and created turbulence issues/air flow issues.

Im saying this is not something you take lightly. Remember I live in ATL now, bags533 lives about 20mins from me and his kit is no better. At least we got each other to help each other work through the kit and its problems. But we did not pay $4000 for a RAW/Rough kit, we paid $4000 for a working kit, not a half-azz kit or a disposable kit that lasts 3months.

Dixit

 

That is the point of this thread, Hal sold a kit that was not what it was said to be. Sloppy welds, poor design and faulty components. Hal's car runs great b/c he sees the fault's in others kits he has put out and puts the greatest effort in his kit and sells sloppy kits. I think he should do the maxima community a favor and stop selling kits if he isn't gonna give something of value and stand behind his product after the sale.

To the person who said Hal isn't a business and doesn't have any responsibility to the org, please get a clue. Hal made the decision to offer the kit and this is part of being a business. Frankencar has products out and they stand behind their stuff, no questions.

So please stop defending this kit and its shortcomings.....

 

GREAT POINT...

The INSTANT hal decided to sell the kits or help sell them, HE made a choice. HE now makes money and provides a product.

I told hal this on the phone before I bought the KIT. I don't care if he makes $1 or $1000 on each kit. I just want it done right. And I was REASSURED that I WOULD NOT have the same problems dixit had. Hal was NOT using the same shop.

AND he did not, but I have crappy welds, used turbo , NO FLEX SECTION in my down pipe ( which has been replaced ) , Oil return line that was a 6 AN when it should have been 8 AN, 1 POS fan, that produces about 700 CFM when the 2 stock fans produce about 1600 CFM, melted wires from the downpipe being to close to them, AND MORE>

I have put another $1300 into this "kit" so far. I am not done either.
MY turbo STILL leaks oil. It was rebuilt 2 times. Hal admitted that it was used and he would get back to me on getting a NEW one. That was May 2003.

Thank kev for allowing this to stay in the open.

And for those of you who think PFI's ( SORRY TO BRING YOU IN IT ) kit has problems. But from what I READ on these forums PFI made attempts to correct the problems. I HAVE seen 2 of PFI's kit with my own eyes. IT IS A KIT.

And HAL crawl from under your rock and answer the questions. Or at least have the testicular fortitude to tell me and dixit to kiss you butt your not helping.

 

Exactly. Nigel has taken comments from early owners with first hand experience to PFI. Yes, we had major problems with the first few batches of turbo kits, but it looks and sounds like most of that have been resolved. Nigel actually stopped by San Fran during one of his business trip to get input on a kit that was installed by someone other than PFI (myself). I think Deac was the last person to have major problems because I haven't heard Ramius83 complain about the kit.

Another member recently received his kit and is in the process of getting it installed. It doesn't sound like he's having problems yet.

Props to Nigel and Bill at PFI for being on the ball when problems arose.

 

PFI site doesnt have much info about the kit can someone direct me to a more informative link with pricing. Thanks

 

This should answer your questions... maybe more than you need to know: http://forums.maxima.org/search.php?searchid=22970

Look for the thread started by nigelcmf, that was before he changed to turbo97se, for pricing. I believe it has changed though.

 

I think that is also because Erik doesn't like to badmouth people he would rather be more business sided with it and keep the complaining to the company. I know first hand some of the issues he had and some of them are kind of dumb, but I guess you run into that, I guess.

Don't count everyone out just because they don't complain is all I am saying.

And I am glad this got back opened up because I think it's annoying that people can just delete whatever they want when they get backed into a corner. I consider Hal a friend of mine, but I have told him that his kits were not right and that he should have taken responsibility, but I think he was in over his head and took way too much on. That is no excuse and he should fix what is wrong, but really what can you do?

Hopefully things will get worked out.. "justice will be served"

 

He's not going to answer, its obvious he deleted the thread. He wanted to take the easy route out cause he didnt want my pictures to damage his image.

This is not bashing, this is FACT of what the kit was delivered as. There is no denying it, its in your face reality. Others may see it as bashing, but until they spend 6-10,000 dollars on a turbokit that was supposed to cost $4000, then they will never realize anything.

Dixit

 

i really feel that if you cant relate to this issue you shouldnt post your bull**** feelings.. sorry, but this **** has gone on for a while and numerous people have gotten taken for a loss and when some noobs come in here and talk trash about **** they dont know anything about.

i feel i have an opinion #1 because I have a turbo kit and because i have dealt with and know all of the parties involved really well.

thanks for flexing the muscles kev.

 

Erik has some problems that I know of, but nothing major. All kits have minor problems, but it's the major ones that a company needs to avoid.

 

Nice wording. I'm sick of hearing about the used turbo, considering that was one you chose on the shelf there - there was the other option of the t3/t4 from the shop that would normally have been put on, but according to yourself and anthony you said that one was fine considering it was rebuilt and polished. You got to visually see it before hand, and you made the call. If that was a problem, the very very least you could have done was call and ask me about it etc and the other one would have gone on the car - so good grief man.

And me have the "testicular fortitude" to do what, try and answer every single rant that you all go off on in a post about a race I had? Dixit complaining about "more than 75%" of his welds leaking which each one was air-tested beforehand...so? his kit being disposeable but yet he kept much of it , just grinded down welds.. or you mad about a turbo you chose etc and constantly bashing on an internet forum and since never asking for any help - I wonder why you aren't receiving any help?

So I'm finished here - you know many ways to get in contact with me, you always have. But incase you have forgotten, you can PM me on the org, email is hal@hlh0501.com, aim is hlh0501... and both dixit and yourself have my cell number I am pretty sure considering I have received many calls a long time ago from you both on it. If you had wanted to get anything taken care of, wouldn't it have been a better idea to ask rather than just bash constantly? Quit blaming me for your both severed communications after you went on the anti-hal parade. I will take responsibility for the issues with the kit, and as far as I knew we were making progress towards getting things fixed.

cutlr7 shutup about me making my kit perfect from giving other people junk. Did you not see that my kit has not changed since BEFORE I ever sold any kits. regardless, I could have the worlds best kit and would have no shame in it either. Do you honestly think I didn't have a turbo on my car till after I R&D' on customers cars? you can reply via pm if you care to followup

And yes you all are right, the money has nothing to do with how the kit should be supported or made, and neither does it being a business or a hobby to me. That is why I was working through things with them many months ago, till I stopped hearing anything from either of them (other than bickering on a public forum on the internet)

 

The smiley was made for quotes like that.

 

How was he to know it was going to leak?

If Kirk knew it was rebuilt before he picked it, that's a whole different story...

 

Sorry, but you have ABSOLUTELY no more "importance" then anyone else posting in here and therefore shouldn't be throwing in your $0.02 either.

Just because you have a turbo kit and "know" Dixit, Hal, or Baggs, doesn't mean jack sheit about the relevance of your posting here.

 

This is a public forum, I could give a care less about your kit. But I know how to run a business and you don't do it in the proper fashion. Why didn't you offer to reimburse Dixit or Kirk any money for the new work theyhave had to do on their cars. The piping that Dixit's car has on it was very sloppy. I did see it in person and saw a turbo shop owner condemn it.

I think the reason they did stop contacting you is because they were sick of your excuses and you not coming through. You charge $4300 for a make-shift kit, get real and refund part of their money.

I got more important things to do that waste my time on you and I think Kirk and Dixit feel the same way....

Kev, Jeff and others all agree with us. If you can't see this than I feel sorry for you when you enter the real business world.....

 

Well I tried to back my opinion at least instead of just throwing it on the table.

 

It's all good...no need to justify being a PW like the rest of us.

 

Hal,

This aint no bashing thread.... this is the clear fact that you are trying to decieve everyone here on the board and trying to come off like you have tried to help and wanted to help make this kit right even after kirk and I started telling you the major problems. There aint no point lying about this shiet.

What part of a weld dont you understand? Do you even have a MIG welder like I do? Just cause you AIR test the weld that dont mean shiet. Let me ask you how did you air test it? Did you put a cap on one end and a custom cap on the other end with a gauge attached to it and a inlet for the air? Did you push the air into the pipe and watch to see if the gauge was dropping? If not HOW IN THE WORLD can you say you air tested it? You can honestly tell me you can hear or feal a micro sized hole that you definetely cant even see? 2ndly, just cause you air tested a COLD/SHOTTY that had air bubbles in it and then 2months after that the air bubble breaks and then the weld leaks I take it that aint your problem? Its mine? Just cause your welder just over welded it to corner cut that in no way is my problem.

Also NONE of your piping exists anymore except the ONE piece exhaust you welded on. All the IC piping was redone by HAND by ME. The feed pipe was redone and ceramic coated so I could resolve the HEAT issue that you flat out refused to buy another fan. Dont deny that and say here now that you never said you wouldnt help, that to me seemed flat out you refused to help. I paid $85 for that fan, no money or help from you on that.

Its just apauling how you can still sit here and continue to lie about these transactions and conversations we had.... and even between kirk. Not to mention its obvious you deleted the thread to avoid answering any questions or have your kit pictures posted on here. You still have yet to explain that pipe on the 3rd pic.

The problem is this clear and simple, kit has problems. Not small problems, MAJOR problems. Major enough that I had to trash all the IC piping, redo the Feed piping. Now whats left is to redo the exhaust. Not to mention you promised the 3" catback, why is my 3" then back to 2.5" and you said the muffler was 3" inlet and the one I was supposed to have that got delayed in shipping was the same as yours. So that means you dont even know how to order a 3" inlet muffler. Even when we ripped it off your car it was 2.5".

Dixit

 

You think your SICK of hearing about it... I am sick of EVERYTIME I put my car on a lift or jack it up I see OIL leaking from it.

And Ant. told me it was dropped and that is why I got the polishing. NOT A USED TURBO, JUST A GOUGED upped one. STILL NEW

And show me 1 time I said it BEING REBUILT was ok. When it first leaked, how HARD did I try and get a new one?

BUt you 2 told me I had NO options. Rebuilt a 2nd time and STILL leaked and then WHEN YOU saw pics of it, you told ME that you did not know it looked like that

AND I was NEVER told There WAS another T3/T4 option on . LIAR.

Why not come to atlanta and see what we can work out?




I never asked for a NEW TURBO? LIAR

I asked at LEAST 3 different times. And AGAIN I was not told I had another option, and WHEN I ASKED for another option I was told NO.


REALLY? I stopped emailing you? NO hal, get the FACTS correct, you stopped answering ME and DIXIT. THAT is why we BOTH posted our problems on this forum. I'll dig those up in a little while.. it clearly says I am posting this because hal is no longer helping. NOW STFU

He saw crap and was curious how you could sell it. And IF your kit looks like mine and you have NO shame about it,I feel sorry for you.



Till you stopped hearing from me.. LIAR

You really amze me with some of these comments. You act like I just sat down and gave up. NO again I will dig up my post about my turbo problems and SHOW you where I saw hal has stopped responding to me.


And since YOU want to HELP.

SHOW EVERYONE how crazy dixit and I are by HELPING US .. USE THIS THREAD TO SHOW YOUR WILLINGNESS to make things right.

Not email or PM or AIM.. use this thread to show all of the world that dixit and I just pick on you , how we do not really want help. WE like having POS kits.

Or is that to hard.

 

Hal, Why would you ever want to stop posting on a thread like this? If you are going to follow threw with your last post, and actually help Bags and Dixit get what they paid you for, why would you want to do it in private? Show everyone you stand behind your word. Bags and Dixit clearly do not mind who knows about it, as long as they get results.

Not responding to this thread seems to back up the claim of you not responding to Bags or Dixit's attempts to reach you.


On a side note: Back when Dixit was having those cooling problems, he took pictures of the fan setup. big no no. man that was horriable. Luckily he was able to bandaid the problem with a better fan pumping more air. 2 things to know though: 1. NEVER EVER replace and engine fan with one of a lower rated CFM/Efficiency, and 2. A fan needs to have a shroud in able to be effective in its cooling. The fan you put on there was crap, it would have been alittle bit more effective if you would have put a shroud on it, but still, it still flowed substancially less then the factory fans.

 

Deac's problems were caused by Deac's wiring of his S-AFC that blew his ECU.. not the kit per say

 

I have seen various people post in this thread 'The point of this thread is'. This thread was originally started by Hal to brag about an ILLEGAL street race. I think the whole problem is this. Hal ripped off people. Period. For him to come in here, bragging about his exploits and how great his car is, that is just a slap in the face to the people he ripped off. Now, I flamed him based on the whole street racing thing...but for him to even show his face around here...I know if I was one of the people he ripped off, I would probably be in jail right now. I don't know Kirk or Dixit like that or nothing, but I think it is totally sleazy and trashy for Hal to even post here at Maxima.org now, or in the future. It has nothing to do with me liking or disliking Hal. I dislike his bullsh!t street racing bragging and the mere fact he has the nuts to come on here and post this crap while totally ignoring his MORAL obligation to step up to the plate and accept responsibility for his actions and make retributions.

That is my .02

 

Right on brother. I've only talked to hal on instant messanger and even asked if he could just sell me the piping...and uh well this thread changed my mind in a hurry.

 

I've skimmed the various threads, but nowhere have I seen Bags or Dixit seek legal advice. Have you guys gone to an attorney yet? Your case is legitimate.

I still can't believe some of those pics in Dixit's photo album. I could make a better turbo kit with PVC and a hot glue gun.

 

asu174, Id rather not post legal matters on this thread, this aint the place for that.

Plus its pointless to sue Hal for say $4000 when he has nothing. He will probably just not pay the judgement.

Dixit

 

Well I'm not attorney, but the judgement can eventually be put as a lien on his house (if he has one). It sits on his title until he goes to sell it and you get paid the minute he does.

 

badass welds:

 

First off, we should call look2me40 the "wise donkey" now

From what I've seen, hes got spare motors, spare trannys, and a bunch of other crap he could sell, or have just not bought if money is an issue to him. Not to mention he or his parents could sell that H2 he showcased in his dragstrip video.

 

asu174, he only like 19 or 20. Aint much Im going to be able to put a lean against. He dont own a home.

Thomas, Gabe has told me you are quite the welder. And Ive seen your work and it does look pristine.

Dixit

 

wish i could say i welded those, but those were actually done by a good friend of mine who's welded for over 30 years.

 

Andy you always come through with a good laugh..... I could see you out there, you would glue your hands together and somehow melt the PVC to a body part

 

Why do you and Dixit keep suggesting I come to Atlanta to see what we can work out ""?

I am willing to help, what can I do for you?

 

I dont understand how you guys keep defending Hal when just by looking at the pictures of those welds, I would grab those pipes and smash Hal over the head with them. So he ONLY paid $4500 ? Damn, so little ? Do you guys have that kind of money to burn ? If I charged you guys 4500 bucks for a turbo kit, what would you expect ? THe POS that Dixit got ? I know he is a friend of yours... but his work is shady, at the least. I wouldnt spend 5 minutes defending this POS. He will get his at somepoint, since Dixit is not the only Org member he has screwed. It just bothers me that gusy I know personally, would defend a scumbag like this......

 

Hal you need to fix the kits and stop skirting the issues. Get a list of costs incurred by Dixit and Kirk and reimburse them...... Case Closed....

 

My intercooler end-tanks were different than what PFI designed the kit for. My end-tanks were 1-2 inches longer. So that piping, plus the top portion of pipe, had to be cut dramatically. That was the only major problem throughout the whole kit. No complaining, and PFI has now fixed that with their current kits, even the one being installed at this moment somewhere in the US.............

 

I guess for starters you can replace Kirk's turbo since if it was sold as new he shouldve gotten a new one. If you cant, then pay the difference.

In my case I dont even know where to being because this is going to turn into nothing but an arguement. Because for me the only justification is for you to reimburse me for all the expenses incurred to rebuild this kit to at least working condition. Not to mention I did all the work myself. Shiet... at this point I dont even care that I did good 100hrs of work on this car over the 35days. My parts lists alone cost me around $2000+ And thats just the value of straight building it back to spec. Not none of the fancy things like braided fuel lines and an fittings for the fuel lines. We talking just the kit alone to get it back in order. You probably wondering how it that expensive, well do the math... Im not going to break it down for you, but like I said way back, I asked you about wrapping the oil return line around my motor mount and your exact words were "its not bad thing, its a good thing because its more oil you have....." I guess you forgot the whole gravity driven and frothing issue. Then you make me cut the hose myself (even though as yall can see more than capable of cutting that if I can rebuild a turbo kit) when technically I shouldnt have cause I paid you for the turbo kit AND the services rendered for installing it. When I pay someone for the services they render, they are responsible for their actions, not me. But besides that small thing that is meaningless to me and you about the line..... What happened after that? I took the turbo to a pro and they said it needed to be rebuilt because of excess oil backup and frothing and burnt residue. They said it was working except it would last too long. So because of your negligence on wrapping an oil line and making it seem that Im bickering about a small thing/10min job, it ended up messing up my turbo. That is called NEGLIGENCE on your part, not mine, because you are the expert and decided that wrapping an oil line around a mount will help the turbo, not hurt it.

Had to replace every silicone couple due to the fact you hand cut everyone and left jagged cuts, and strangs hanging. Another small thing except cost me $200 in couplers. Used my PlaceRacing Midpipe cause I guess you wanted to cut a corner by not having to make an extra pipe to replace that pipe. Another cost there. Melted my O2 sensor plug harness cause instead of putting the O2 bung higher on the feed pipe for the front header you put it lower and then when the o2 sensor wouldnt reach you just took it off the holder and let it hang there with a wiretie. Well guess what, the back of the o2 plug harness is melted. http://bigdogjonx.com:81/fullpics/tu...n/Dsc00865.jpg This is now useless and have to buy a new sensor, plug, harness. What about my fairly mint condition Cattman Ypipe you hacked up and still dont admit to hacking it or even taking responsibility for hacking a pipe that I couldve sold for $300 at the time. That pipe useless. The ceramic coating I had to get on the feed pipe after I fixed it, why did I have to ceramic coat it? Why should you be responsible for that? Well since you took out my two stock Puller fans and replaced it with one POS fan as bags described, I constantly pushed H level temperatures. Had to pull over at times to let it cool down, had to roll down the windows and blast the heat all the other times in 90+degree weather. I put the 2nd fan in, and still same issue, why? Cause you ran the Feed pipe 1/2" from the radiator. The pipe gets so hot that it heat soaks the radiator to the point where the fans cant do shiet to help it. Had no choice but to ceramic coat it to solve the issue. And yes you sent me the exhaust wrap when you forgot to put it on, and yes I put that all over my feed pipe, and it did nothing for my overheating/hot temp issues.

All those costs occured to me because of YOUR NEGLIGENCE. Theres no denying that. No gray area, its Black and White in this case. Whos having to incur the costs? ME, same goes for bags.

We all know this part is going to be nothing but a disagreement on what we think you owe us and what you think you owe us. We will never see eye to eye on that since it seems clear you dont see a fault in any of the issues above. Is this beating a dead horse? Yes. Are my pockets getting more and more empty? Yes. Why did we (bags and I) stop talking to you, well no point in that if you are going to treat us like two smucks who dont know jack about cars who just bought turbo kits. We know our stuff when it comes to cars and general knowlegde. It doesnt take a genius to figure out certain things and be able to point directly to the cause of the problem, and then you come tell us "well I dont have that problem on my car....so its gotta be something wrong with yours..." well lets see, every kit youve made from this day has not been one bit the same. Even H2kfrosty's where he doesnt have overheating issues, why? cause his stock fans are in place? why? cause you did a Uturn style turbo feed pipe like PFI's kit do. You cant compare anyone of my problems or bags problems to your other creations since they all are different from scratch.

If anything, you should be the one coming forward and accepting responsiblity which it seems evident that you dont think you need to. Im not going to force you to do anything, you can do what you please. Just dont brag about your kit when you cant even solve your own customers problems.

Dixit

 

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