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Old 06-18-2004, 07:56 PM
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Time to add Shadow to the 300whp club

Took the car into Batlground today to get it A/F tuned, new plugs, and a tranny cooler so it can run at the Tunerfest Showoff tomorrow. Just got the 3" test pipe made to replace the stock cat and some fine tuning to the E-Manage to lean out the fuel a bit.

On it's first run the car put down 296whp and 310lb-ft torque running 10:1 rich at 7psi. After a few more runs the car consistently hit in the 292-296 range w/ heat soak. Dialed in the fuel tuning to 11.5:1 and let it cool for a minute and the car pulled a nice 300.9whp and 312.4 lb-ft torque at 7psi. I'll post a dyno sheet when Batlground emails it to me.

Car specs for anyone not familiar:
'97 Max GXE internally stock motor
Original auto tranny w/ VB Mod
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2½" Downpipe
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Hopefully the car will hit high 13's tomorrow on it's overweight 19" wheels. It hasn't been to the track since it was supercharged. We still don't have any form of boost control but hopeully we'll reach 350whp by 10psi.
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Sweet, are you going to run any leaner than that? Like 12:1:1 or 12:5:1?
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Originally Posted by spanishrice
Sweet, are you going to run any leaner than that? Like 12:1:1 or 12:5:1?
Car will see that on the street b/c the car tends to get loaded a bit more on the street than on the dyno. It's still ungodly rich around 4000 b/c the fuel pressure riser dumps fuel as boost hits causing the car to run well below 10:1 around 4000rpm killing midrange power. It's something the eManage can't fix so removing it might be the only solution (though it does solve the MAF maxing out at 350 crank hp problem).

Still left to do before we can run more boost is a Fuel Pressure Regulator so the car will start consistently and idle better along w/ removal of the BEGI to allow better fuel tuning. Also need to get the ignition system working w/ the eManage and actually buy and EBC to up boost.

On the street the car is just scary in how fast it pulls from 70-100mph. Since the race seats and interior are out the car doesn't have a seatbelt so we haven't gotten too crazy w/ it.

The car is also short a stereo and most of its interior so it's probably weighing in only around 3100lb. Should make interesting runs tomorrow. Don't know if anyone else has done the quarter mile in an auto turbo.
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Cool man, good luck, maybe you can get some low 13's.
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congrats shadow as pretty as your car is i still find it hard to believe its a GXE
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Well, we got the car to the track today. Best time was a 13.86 @ 104.85 mph. But it hovered around 13.8-14.0 all day. I was running on the 19"s, so 60 ft times were arount 2.3-2.4.

The car is only seeing 5 psi in 1st and 2nd gear, and 6 in 3rd. I've only got the wastegate spring controlling boost right now. So it's boost controller time. If the car gets a full 7 psi in all the gears, I think we could get low 13's on street tires.
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Very nice Jeff! I think the boost controller will certainly help.
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I did the 1st four runs today including the fastest of 13.85@104.85mph and the 1st run of 13.93@103.99. The car was running 9.096 in the 1/8th on my 4th run but I think I lifted before tripping the lights on that run since I trapped the same despite running 3/10ths faster in the 1/8th on one of my 14 second runs. I had two 14.0x runs idling off the line and lifting in the middle since we didn't have a helmet at first to run 13's.

Crushed a couple S13's including Mahdavi's RHD JDM Silvia but we mostly ran against 17 second cars. Unfortunately the car is a dog off the line b/c it won't build any boost off the line and those 19's sap a lot of power. I don't see how guys w/ bigger turbos and MEVI's can get the car off the line w/o nitrous. We let Dan at Batlground do a run to see if he could get the 60' down and he ran a 14.1@102mph brake standing past 3500rpm b/c the parking brake stuck.

Shadow did the last 3 runs but the car wasn't able to better it b/c the 90+ degree temp was just too much. It kept running 13.9 @105 so we called it a day.

16's, drag radials, and a boost controller will have this car into the low 13's/high 12's very soon.
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5 spd will help in the boost deartment, but I saw full 7 psi in 2nd... maybe your compressor size is a little to large... maybe.. I am not sure

And did you have any traction issues?


OH and CONGRATS ON THE DYNO #'S
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Awesome numbers!
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I thought boost was based on gears and rpm. You might see 4 in first gear, 5 in 2nd gear, 6 in 3rd gear, and 7 in 4th gear.
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The 19s dont eat up that much power. I had them was putting down #s that most people aint seen on a 5th gen maxima yet.

What I dont understand is what you mean by the eManage cant correct the riser issue? I had a cartech running and had no problems tuning with the eManage. I have a wideband datalogger and its not hard to map out the chart and then make the adjustments. eManage is fairly good at making those changes.

You need to work on the lauches. Dont know if you brake torquing at the light, but 9s in the 1/8 wont cut it. There are NA maxes doing well below that. And the street tires and the 19s aint all to blame for.

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I don't think the 19"s are really sapping power since the dyno was done on them and those numbers are fine.

As for the launches, it seems that no matter what we do, it cuts a 2.3-2.4 60 ft. We tried just flooring it off the line. Brake torque to 1000, 1500, 2000, 2500, and even 3500. All the 60 fts were still within .10 basically. It spins a tiny bit, then bogs slightly and then gets moving.

Yeah, the 1/8 times suck for the times we're running. The car basically picks up all it's speed in the end. Even spectators noticed that. We'll get some more tuning done, and figure out something for the launches.

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The 19s dont eat up that much power. I had them was putting down #s that most people aint seen on a 5th gen maxima yet.

What I dont understand is what you mean by the eManage cant correct the riser issue? I had a cartech running and had no problems tuning with the eManage. I have a wideband datalogger and its not hard to map out the chart and then make the adjustments. eManage is fairly good at making those changes.

You need to work on the lauches. Dont know if you brake torquing at the light, but 9s in the 1/8 wont cut it. There are NA maxes doing well below that. And the street tires and the 19s aint all to blame for.

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Originally Posted by Shadow
I don't think the 19"s are really sapping power since the dyno was done on them and those numbers are fine.

As for the launches, it seems that no matter what we do, it cuts a 2.3-2.4 60 ft. We tried just flooring it off the line. Brake torque to 1000, 1500, 2000, 2500, and even 3500. All the 60 fts were still within .10 basically. It spins a tiny bit, then bogs slightly and then gets moving.

Yeah, the 1/8 times suck for the times we're running. The car basically picks up all it's speed in the end. Even spectators noticed that. We'll get some more tuning done, and figure out something for the launches.

Congrats on the numbers. You should have brought it out last night. We had a SR20DET 240, a SCed Cobra, and a SRT. We ran alright


I am totally confused about that setup of yours. I have a T4/.81 AR and you have what a T3/.?? AR, why on earth would you see boost on top end vice low and midrange? I seen T3's that spool up immediately, bam they are gone. My turbo is like somewhat like yours except once it hits at 4K its going going gone. Its a highway monster.
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Originally Posted by JAY25
We had a SR20DET 240,



It was an RB20....
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It's a T3/T04S 70 trim. .81 A/R. My turbine side is smaller, but the compressor side is bigger than yours. I'm seeing full boost slightly above 3K. It's just below that where we're having issues. With the compressor being big, the top end pull is crazy, but it cost me a little bit of low end. Midrange power is good too.

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Congrats on the numbers. You should have brought it out last night. We had a SR20DET 240, a SCed Cobra, and a SRT. We ran alright


I am totally confused about that setup of yours. I have a T4/.81 AR and you have what a T3/.?? AR, why on earth would you see boost on top end vice low and midrange? I seen T3's that spool up immediately, bam they are gone. My turbo is like somewhat like yours except once it hits at 4K its going going gone. Its a highway monster.
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Originally Posted by BigDogJonx
The 19s dont eat up that much power. I had them was putting down #s that most people aint seen on a 5th gen maxima yet.

What I dont understand is what you mean by the eManage cant correct the riser issue? I had a cartech running and had no problems tuning with the eManage. I have a wideband datalogger and its not hard to map out the chart and then make the adjustments. eManage is fairly good at making those changes.

You need to work on the lauches. Dont know if you brake torquing at the light, but 9s in the 1/8 wont cut it. There are NA maxes doing well below that. And the street tires and the 19s aint all to blame for.

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what is trying to be said is that once you max out the stock MAF @ 350BHP you can no longer tune with the emanage because its tuning is based of a MAF in working voltage range
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That wasn't the problem actually, though it is true.

The only issues we were having at 4000 rpm is that we ran out of tuning window with the emanage at that fuel pressure. Basically after taking out 40%, we were still running rich there. So we have to adjust the cartech, but we didn't have time then to get it done, so we just made sure everything was running safely and let it be. In another 2 weeks, the car will be back on the dyno for more tuning, this time with nitrous, so there wasn't any point to setting everything perfectly if we're just going to change all the settings again.

My car is maxing out the MAF voltage too, and that will be resolved soon with a new MAF hopefully.

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what is trying to be said is that once you max out the stock MAF @ 350BHP you can no longer tune with the emanage because its tuning is based of a MAF in working voltage range
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Wait, what track did you go to? Reynolds or Commerce (or neither)?

Good numbers none the less! I look forward to more big HP numbers in the near future.
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Originally Posted by Mishap
I did the 1st four runs today including the fastest of 13.85@104.85mph and the 1st run of 13.93@103.99. The car was running 9.096 in the 1/8th on my 4th run but I think I lifted before tripping the lights on that run since I trapped the same despite running 3/10ths faster in the 1/8th on one of my 14 second runs. I had two 14.0x runs idling off the line and lifting in the middle since we didn't have a helmet at first to run 13's.

Crushed a couple S13's including Mahdavi's RHD JDM Silvia but we mostly ran against 17 second cars. Unfortunately the car is a dog off the line b/c it won't build any boost off the line and those 19's sap a lot of power. I don't see how guys w/ bigger turbos and MEVI's can get the car off the line w/o nitrous. We let Dan at Batlground do a run to see if he could get the 60' down and he ran a 14.1@102mph brake standing past 3500rpm b/c the parking brake stuck.

Shadow did the last 3 runs but the car wasn't able to better it b/c the 90+ degree temp was just too much. It kept running 13.9 @105 so we called it a day.

16's, drag radials, and a boost controller will have this car into the low 13's/high 12's very soon.
Overall nice dyno numbers and Im ****ed that I had to work and missed the show but there are more to come. Those numbers are not to bad because it was close to mid 90s yesterday and the track was probably a little hotter. Would of been awesome to see Jeff and the crew that I have not really met. Like you Mishap.

I would of raced against Shadow I probably would of ran a 18.1 though because the VG is a bulletproof/ironhead engine.
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Originally Posted by Quicksilver
Wait, what track did you go to? Reynolds or Commerce (or neither)?

Good numbers none the less! I look forward to more big HP numbers in the near future.
It was at Commerce. It was the Tunerfest show put on my ImportAtlanta.
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Originally Posted by tightblue89
It was at Commerce. It was the Tunerfest show put on my ImportAtlanta.

That's EXACTLY why you couldn't get to the 2.2-2.1 second 60' time then...

I **** you not, if you go to Reynolds and exactly duplicate your runs, every single one of your 60' times will be in the 2.1-2.2 range. The difference between my top runs on Commerce and Reynolds is the fact that I couldn't get jack crap for traction at Commerce (I'm talking 2.4-2.5 60' times), where as in Reynolds I was pulling 2.19's -2.22's all day long (same tires, actually an even heavier weight in Reynolds). Commerce's track just sucks ballz...

Oh, and 15.21 at 91.x at Commerce was my best time (78 deg 80% humidity), while Reynolds was 89 deg and 70% humidity (and 14.66's-14.7's all day long at 92.x MPH)...
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Hmm, I may have to give Reynolds a shot then.

Originally Posted by Quicksilver
That's EXACTLY why you couldn't get to the 2.2-2.1 second 60' time then...

I **** you not, if you go to Reynolds and exactly duplicate your runs, every single one of your 60' times will be in the 2.1-2.2 range. The difference between my top runs on Commerce and Reynolds is the fact that I couldn't get jack crap for traction at Commerce (I'm talking 2.4-2.5 60' times), where as in Reynolds I was pulling 2.19's -2.22's all day long (same tires, actually an even heavier weight in Reynolds). Commerce's track just sucks ballz...

Oh, and 15.21 at 91.x at Commerce was my best time (78 deg 80% humidity), while Reynolds was 89 deg and 70% humidity (and 14.66's-14.7's all day long at 92.x MPH)...
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Nice #'s, you think you could get a video of it? That would be sweet.
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Originally Posted by Craig Mack
Nice #'s, you think you could get a video of it? That would be sweet.
Yes, I would love a video. I would LOVE to see a video from 0 to 60mph!! I would like to see at what rpm you start making boost in 1st gear. I'm guessing your turbo would be too big for what I want in my automatic.

BTW, awesome job!!
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Aaron are you going turbo???
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I'll have to get a video soon. Didn't take any of these runs. But my turbo starts spooling at ~2800 and hits full boost by around ~3400 in 1st gear. There's just a flat spot between ~1500 and ~2500 and that was messing up my runs at the track. On the street, you don't notice it, but it's pretty obvious at the track. Next time I run, I'll have a small ~35 shot of nitrous and we'll see if that improves spool up and launches.

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Yes, I would love a video. I would LOVE to see a video from 0 to 60mph!! I would like to see at what rpm you start making boost in 1st gear. I'm guessing your turbo would be too big for what I want in my automatic.

BTW, awesome job!!
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I'll have to get a video soon. Didn't take any of these runs. But my turbo starts spooling at ~2800 and hits full boost by around ~3400 in 1st gear. There's just a flat spot between ~1500 and ~2500 and that was messing up my runs at the track. On the street, you don't notice it, but it's pretty obvious at the track. Next time I run, I'll have a small ~35 shot of nitrous and we'll see if that improves spool up and launches.
Nice! I've never heard of a t04s compressor. Do you have any links to the specs on your exact turbo? I am doing research on turbos for my car and I want to see how it works in your VQ Auto. I can assume it will be somewhat close in my VE Auto. If you can't find a good spec sheet on your exact turbo, can you just tell me what A/R is your t3 turbine? And also, what trim is your compressor? I think someone already said you have a 70 trim on the compressor and a .63 A/R. That .63 A/R is your turbine? Just making sure.

Oh yeah, have you seen bags' video yet? That worries me b/c I REALLY don't want that kind of lag in my car. Here's the link:

http://www.vqpower.com/v2/modules.ph...itle=Turbo_Lag

Please download that video and tell if your car is anything like that. Also, can you tell me how it differs in any way. From what I was told by BigDogJonx is that Bags has a t3/t04e with a 60 trim. I dunno, but that seems like a smaller compressor than yours and in that video, it spools WAY late in 1st gear. I am guessing he doesn't see peak boost (7psi) until 6K in 1st gear. And it doesn't seem to start spooling until after 4K, which I think is way too late for what I want in my car.

Spanishrice, yes, I want to turbo my VE Auto. But a few things have to go right for me in order to start doing it. First, I gotta get a job when I move to FL. Then buy a $500 beater Civic or something for a 2nd ride. Then, a garage has to be lined up for me, where ever I live in FL. So if those things line up, then I'm going turbo!! But right now, I am doing as much research as I possibly can until that day come. It never hurts to gain in knowledge.

Thanks for the help Shadow!
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It's a T3/60-1. 70 trim, .70 A/R compressor, .81 A/R turbine, stage 3 wheel, 4" inlet, 2.5" outlet.

I can't view the video for some reason. But my car definitely makes full boost below 6K. At the track, I was watching the boost gauge, and saw full boost at ~3500 in 1st gear. It's honestly hard to figure out when it hits full boost because watching 2 gauges while under full throttle is difficult. Was the video Bags posted with his old blown turbo, or his new one? Because his old turbo was really messed up and I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't see full boost until 6K. His new turbo should spool way faster than that. I know that Jason Sadler's car saw full boost ~3K with the T3/T04E 60 trim turbo we used. Jason's car was almost undrivable at full throttle in 1st, traction was nonexistant.

And yes, my turbo is significantly bigger than a T3/T04E. Mine is capable of 781 cfm, and a T04E 60 trim moves 678 cfm.

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Nice! I've never heard of a t04s compressor. Do you have any links to the specs on your exact turbo? I am doing research on turbos for my car and I want to see how it works in your VQ Auto. I can assume it will be somewhat close in my VE Auto. If you can't find a good spec sheet on your exact turbo, can you just tell me what A/R is your t3 turbine? And also, what trim is your compressor? I think someone already said you have a 70 trim on the compressor and a .63 A/R. That .63 A/R is your turbine? Just making sure.

Oh yeah, have you seen bags' video yet? That worries me b/c I REALLY don't want that kind of lag in my car. Here's the link:

http://www.vqpower.com/v2/modules.ph...itle=Turbo_Lag

Please download that video and tell if your car is anything like that. Also, can you tell me how it differs in any way. From what I was told by BigDogJonx is that Bags has a t3/t04e with a 60 trim. I dunno, but that seems like a smaller compressor than yours and in that video, it spools WAY late in 1st gear. I am guessing he doesn't see peak boost (7psi) until 6K in 1st gear. And it doesn't seem to start spooling until after 4K, which I think is way too late for what I want in my car.

Spanishrice, yes, I want to turbo my VE Auto. But a few things have to go right for me in order to start doing it. First, I gotta get a job when I move to FL. Then buy a $500 beater Civic or something for a 2nd ride. Then, a garage has to be lined up for me, where ever I live in FL. So if those things line up, then I'm going turbo!! But right now, I am doing as much research as I possibly can until that day come. It never hurts to gain in knowledge.

Thanks for the help Shadow!
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Thanks Shadow for the info. I dunno if it was bags old turbo or new. B/c it was BAD and really makes me reconsider that turbo. I wish I can find out. In that video, maybe you need to update your media player. That usually solves those issues for me. I would really like you to see that video b/c if your car is anything like that, then I need to look into smaller turbos. In a race, I would have bags beat pretty badly from 0-60, but in the top of his 2nd gear, he would have FLOWN by me. I actually want traction problems with street tires in 1st gear. Then I can put slicks on my car and race it at the track, no problem. Since I'm a 1/4 mile *****, I want my car to have a lot of power in 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear. I can care less about highway racing stuff.

In the first post, it said t04s, I didn't realize that that was a 60-1 compressor housing. After doing a little more research, I found that out.

When a turbo reaches full boost has a lot to do with piping. How is your feedpipe routed? Do you have any pics you can share? Thank you.
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