V-band clamps for BOV, WG, turbine? Good/bad?
08-31-2004, 09:47 AM
#3
Thanks...I was pretty sure the turbine was a good idea for swapping in/out the turbo, but how often do you really need to do that especially with water/oil lines.
I'm eyeballing these:
http://www.superstreetonline.com/pro...l44/index.html
I'm eyeballing these:
http://www.superstreetonline.com/pro...l44/index.html
08-31-2004, 09:57 AM
#6
I think it's style...cleaner look not function.
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Plus, the price is roughly the same.
http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/me...egory_Code=BOV
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I'm just wondering if there any issues with v-bands such as leaking, working loose, or whatever that I should know about.
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Plus, the price is roughly the same.
http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/me...egory_Code=BOV
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I'm just wondering if there any issues with v-bands such as leaking, working loose, or whatever that I should know about.
08-31-2004, 10:10 AM
#10
08-31-2004, 10:14 AM
#11
I guess it depends. The first pic w/ the v-band looks easier as it's tapered to the shape of the pipe. So cut hole, mount and weld.
The other ones are just flat. You would have to cut the pipe to fit that flat flange. With a saw, it would be a pain. Might be okay with a 4" cut off wheel. With a plasma cutter, everything is easy.
The other ones are just flat. You would have to cut the pipe to fit that flat flange. With a saw, it would be a pain. Might be okay with a 4" cut off wheel. With a plasma cutter, everything is easy.
08-31-2004, 10:46 AM
#12
IMO...V band is very very nice set up. it's almost zero leak and requires no gasket.
but having a BOV V-band is kinda over kill. unless you're running really high pressure that needs a no gasket seal then V-band is ideal.
Jeff the WG flanges shouldn't be a problem. just keep moving w/ the weld so it doesn't heat up as much.
but having a BOV V-band is kinda over kill. unless you're running really high pressure that needs a no gasket seal then V-band is ideal.
Jeff the WG flanges shouldn't be a problem. just keep moving w/ the weld so it doesn't heat up as much.
08-31-2004, 10:49 AM
#14
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
It's not the heat. It's cutting the pipe to the right shape so you can weld it.
And Wangsta, you start pricing those things yet??
And Wangsta, you start pricing those things yet??
08-31-2004, 10:52 AM
#16
Yeah, ~$600 for the pair....not bad for Tial quality.
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
It's not the heat. It's cutting the pipe to the right shape so you can weld it.
And Wangsta, you start pricing those things yet??
And Wangsta, you start pricing those things yet??
08-31-2004, 11:25 AM
#18
I went ahead and bought the Tilton. About the same price anyway. $189-ish
Originally Posted by IceY2K1
Okay, it may be overkill and cost more, but great otherwise.
Now on to AN fittings, SS lines, and Mocal scavenge pump.
Now on to AN fittings, SS lines, and Mocal scavenge pump.
08-31-2004, 12:26 PM
#20
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pdfs/121.pdf
Handled the order 100% over the net. Shipped reasonably fast.
Handled the order 100% over the net. Shipped reasonably fast.
08-31-2004, 12:29 PM
#21
Originally Posted by Jeff92se
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/pdfs/121.pdf
Handled the order 100% over the net. Shipped reasonably fast.
Handled the order 100% over the net. Shipped reasonably fast.
their shipping rates seems to be "inflated"...maybe that's just for east coast.
08-31-2004, 04:19 PM
#23
Well it looks like that BOV is out of the question, since I can't recirc(compressor bypass) and I just found it for a killer price on eBay.
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/tialbov.htm
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/tialbov.htm
Not recommended for street car that have anything smaller than a 20G turbo. If you try to put this on a street car with a 16G turbo. Your car will sound like you have a dying dolphin underneath your hood. (chirp) (chirp) (chirp)
Tial BOVs only have provisions to blow out. They can not be modified to recirculate the air. This means you need a HKS VPC or stand alone engine management system that eliminates the air flow meter.
Tial BOVs only have provisions to blow out. They can not be modified to recirculate the air. This means you need a HKS VPC or stand alone engine management system that eliminates the air flow meter.
08-31-2004, 04:40 PM
#24
Well maybe not...this 4th gen has one and I've seen a Saturn with one.
http://www.sounddomain.com/memberpage/275109/1
http://www.sounddomain.com/memberpage/275109/1
09-01-2004, 08:32 AM
#26
When you say put the BOV before it, you mean between the turbo and MAF or between the MAF and throttle body?
Originally Posted by hlh0501
Pressurize the maf and put the BOV before it... then it does not matter that it vents.
09-01-2004, 10:00 AM
#27
Originally Posted by IceY2K1
When you say put the BOV before it, you mean between the turbo and MAF or between the MAF and throttle body?
I don't have pics of my new setup yet... but look at the other TIAL guy
09-01-2004, 10:21 AM
#28
That's what I thought.
However, the MAF will see the air twice, right? Once as it passes through the normal way and then once it bounces off the throttle plate, back through the MAF, and out the BOV, right?
That's going to make it rich on shifts, but it prevents stalling?
However, the MAF will see the air twice, right? Once as it passes through the normal way and then once it bounces off the throttle plate, back through the MAF, and out the BOV, right?
That's going to make it rich on shifts, but it prevents stalling?
09-01-2004, 05:01 PM
#29
Originally Posted by IceY2K1
That's what I thought.
However, the MAF will see the air twice, right? Once as it passes through the normal way and then once it bounces off the throttle plate, back through the MAF, and out the BOV, right?
That's going to make it rich on shifts, but it prevents stalling?
However, the MAF will see the air twice, right? Once as it passes through the normal way and then once it bounces off the throttle plate, back through the MAF, and out the BOV, right?
That's going to make it rich on shifts, but it prevents stalling?
09-01-2004, 07:25 PM
#30
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Originally Posted by hlh0501
Between the turbo and the MAF. By doing that, the MAF sees exactly what air is going into your throttle body.
09-02-2004, 06:02 AM
#31
Theoretically, possibly. There is no noticeable effect of the air bouncing off throttle plate and being measured twice - so I do not know how big of a deal this is.
My car runs very smooth - as if it was meant to be setup this way. Never stumbles, stalls, etc. I guess it could run a little rich on shifts for a split second - but without a wideband there is nothing noticeable (no backfires, even with open downpipe, etc). And I guess I don't see it being a big problem if it richens up a bit in a shift anyways
My car runs very smooth - as if it was meant to be setup this way. Never stumbles, stalls, etc. I guess it could run a little rich on shifts for a split second - but without a wideband there is nothing noticeable (no backfires, even with open downpipe, etc). And I guess I don't see it being a big problem if it richens up a bit in a shift anyways
09-02-2004, 09:52 AM
#32
Thanks for the help...
Originally Posted by hlh0501
Theoretically, possibly. There is no noticeable effect of the air bouncing off throttle plate and being measured twice - so I do not know how big of a deal this is.
My car runs very smooth - as if it was meant to be setup this way. Never stumbles, stalls, etc. I guess it could run a little rich on shifts for a split second - but without a wideband there is nothing noticeable (no backfires, even with open downpipe, etc). And I guess I don't see it being a big problem if it richens up a bit in a shift anyways
My car runs very smooth - as if it was meant to be setup this way. Never stumbles, stalls, etc. I guess it could run a little rich on shifts for a split second - but without a wideband there is nothing noticeable (no backfires, even with open downpipe, etc). And I guess I don't see it being a big problem if it richens up a bit in a shift anyways
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