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BlackBIRDVQ 09-21-2004 05:06 AM

So Hal are you runing 355cc injectors ? Or did you just change the injector size on your standalone in order to fool the computer into runing leaner ? Why do you run a FMU with a stand alone ? What kinda stand alone are you runing ? Does it still have all the emissions controlls built in- like EVAP and missfire monitoring ? I'm currious as in IL they do readiness code testing and MIL testing, if the codes are not set or you have a check engine light then they fail ya.

stephenlc 09-21-2004 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by BlackBIRDVQ
So Hal are you runing 355cc injectors ? Or did you just change the injector size on your standalone in order to fool the computer into runing leaner ? Why do you run a FMU with a stand alone ? What kinda stand alone are you runing ? Does it still have all the emissions controlls built in- like EVAP and missfire monitoring ? I'm currious as in IL they do readiness code testing and MIL testing, if the codes are not set or you have a check engine light then they fail ya.

He is running e-manage because I was see him on e-manage yahoo group. He has been asking a lot of questions lately. :hide:

MardiGrasMax 09-21-2004 05:52 AM

So your running an FMU and 555's? Are you still on a single fuel pump? If so watch the fuel pressue it may drop off when you start cranking up the boost

desertmaxima 09-21-2004 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by MardiGrasMax
So your running an FMU and 555's? Are you still on a single fuel pump? If so watch the fuel pressue it may drop off when you start cranking up the boost

So would it be a good idea to get a secondary inline pump also when you wanna crank it up per say

MardiGrasMax 09-21-2004 12:53 PM

Nope, dual in tank Walbro

hlh0501 09-21-2004 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by MardiGrasMax
Nope, dual in tank Walbro

Have you done this? I am afraid of the higher fuel pressure running my walbro out of fuel at a lower hp... and couldnt think any easy way to drop in another walbro, but hadn't given it too much thought. If i run into this problem, I'll probably just go fuel cell w/ my old paxton/aeromotive 1000+hp pump

Boosted Maxima 09-21-2004 01:11 PM

Cool!
 
What scan tool can I use on a 89 Maxima? Who makes it and approximate cost?
So the Warbo pump (like the GN's Have) works?
Factory Fuel pressure regulator or aftermarket?

Awsome setup.!!!!

IceY2K1 09-21-2004 02:09 PM

The GS34X pump can support upto 720cc/min if you crank up the voltage to 16V: http://www.stealth316.com/2-fuelpumpguide.htm


It can support 550cc/min, if you upgrade the wiring and your charging system can provide 13.5V or more depending on your fuel pressure needs.

Jeff92se 09-21-2004 02:13 PM

Nissan Consult. Seen them for on ebay for oh.. a few thousand. Your maxima is OBDI. This is before the Gov't mandated universal diagnostics for all automakers (all 1996+ automobiles are obdII compliant and can use obdII scan tools)


Originally Posted by Boosted Maxima
What scan tool can I use on a 89 Maxima? Who makes it and approximate cost?
So the Warbo pump (like the GN's Have) works?
Factory Fuel pressure regulator or aftermarket?

Awsome setup.!!!!


IceY2K1 09-21-2004 02:16 PM

I've only seen a Consult-I on eBay, have you seen a Consult-II?

Let me know if you do.


Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Nissan Consult. Seen them for on ebay for oh.. a few thousand. Your maxima is OBDI. This is before the Gov't mandated universal diagnostics for all automakers (all 1996+ automobiles are obdII compliant and can use obdII scan tools)


Jeff92se 09-21-2004 02:17 PM

Why would you want one?? I mean they are cool but not $$$$ cool!

IceY2K1 09-21-2004 02:19 PM

Yes, but depends on the cards included and if you can download updates from the Nissanusa website or not.

BlackBIRDVQ 09-21-2004 04:48 PM

I must have Hal mixed up with another Maxima.org member who is going to be or is runing a stand alone and gonna sell it for some .org memebers. Even with Emanage you should be able to ditch the FMU. I have a 240 with a KA runing 555s and TTZ MAF at 400WHP with no problem on stock ECU and Emanage- I just finished tuning it for my friend as no shops around this area know WTF they are doing with Nissans and cost him an engine.

IceY2K1 09-21-2004 04:57 PM

400whp on a KA...damn.

Can you explain how you squeeze 400whp out of four 555s withOUT a FMU?

Even at 100% duty cycle and NA stringent 0.50 BSFC, that's not possible.:confused:

BlackBIRDVQ 09-21-2004 05:19 PM

I run 4 bar of fuel pressure :) Nismo FPR with a Walbro in-tank, on Tomei 555cc injectors pulling air in via a Z32 TT MAF. You can get 300WHP from a set of 370ccs at 4 bar of fuel pressure. I do that daily with my G20 on a T25 turbo.

IceY2K1 09-21-2004 05:29 PM

555cc@58psi --->640cc/min, which using again 100% DC and NA stringent 0.5 BSFC is good for 487bhp or 415whp assuming 15% drivetrain loss.

Alright, that's close, but damn close.;)

BlackBIRDVQ 09-21-2004 05:34 PM

Okay I rounded off the 400WHP # :) its actually 387WHP, but its very close to 400WHP, and I'm sure if I where to get the turbo extrude honed it would hit 400WHP at that same boost :) I actually run 61psi on the KA and my SR. Works like a charm and the injectors have been happy for a long time now, no problems. Lets see 740cc injectors for 500 bux, or Nismo FPR for 90 bux... ehh I take the FPR :)

IceY2K1 09-21-2004 05:40 PM

"400WHP" does sound better then "387HWP"....LOL.

Hmmn....61psi all the time and no leaks, fuel pump crap outs, etc....

Interesting...very interesting.

pimpjuice 09-21-2004 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by hlh0501
Update for anyone who cares:

I found out my pressure switch for MEVI has failed, it is allowing some vacuum to creep by... so my MEVI is always open right now. I have to get a new one and throw it on - then it's off to the dyno (and/or maybe track) for baseline numbers

I am curious as to when you want your mevi open and when you want it closed. I went ahead and got rid of my VI. I finally got it to work using a check valve and vacuum canister, but dyno numbers show a drastic decrease in torque when VI is open as apposed to it being closed all the time.



Originally Posted by hlh0501
I did have something weird happen earlier, the car slowly started running more and more rich , even idling. It got to the point it was choking just sitting at a red light, AF dropped to 9:1 and eventually got to "TOO RICH" on the wideband.

It's interesting that you have had this problem. I have had this exact same problem, but was able to 'cure' it by shutting off the car for a few minutes. I thought it was my secondary fuel pump that was causing the problem. Since we don't have the same fuel setup, maybe its e-manage related...who knows.


Also, can I get a link to the e-manage forum spanishrice is referring to.

hlh0501 09-21-2004 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by pimpjuice
I am curious as to when you want your mevi open and when you want it closed.

Since we don't have the same fuel setup, maybe its e-manage related...who knows.

Also, can I get a link to the e-manage forum spanishrice is referring to.

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/emanage/

I played with it tonight, and the difference between a 4000 and 5000rpm changeover made 4mph diff. in the 1/4. Best I've found is around 5200ish to allow vacuum to it allowing it to open.

I doubt its emanage related, bc even when I connected the MAF back to stock (no emanage) and left all tables at 0 it was loading up extremely bad. I think my FMU is gone.

hlh0501 09-21-2004 10:24 PM

Wideband log:
Made some changes tonight, and went a little too rich, but nonetheless
Steady 10.x af under boost
Cruises at ~13.5, and idles around 14.
http://www.fastmaxima.com/tmp/9-21%20wideband%20log.gif

Emanage log:
shows rpm in red, +MAP in black, retard in yellow, fuel in blue
http://www.fastmaxima.com/tmp/9-21%20emanage%20log.gif

MUST PUT SPRAY BACK ON!!!
1.3 second respool on shifts, ahhhh

IceY2K1 09-21-2004 11:10 PM

Nice....

Are those two spikes to ~13.1 on your AFR when you first go to WOT?

stephenlc 09-22-2004 02:42 AM

[QUOTE=hlh0501]Wideband log:
Made some changes tonight, and went a little too rich, but nonetheless
Steady 10.x af under boost
Cruises at ~13.5, and idles around 14.
http://www.fastmaxima.com/tmp/9-21%20wideband%20log.gif

QUOTE]

Is this at wide open throttle, what are the spikes from. I don't like those 13:1 or higher spikes, make my car go boom.

Stephen Max 09-22-2004 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by IceY2K1
Nice....

Are those two spikes to ~13.1 on your AFR when you first go to WOT?

I've seen the afr do that during shifting.

stephenlc 09-22-2004 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by Stephen Max
I've seen the afr do that during shifting.

would it do that in an automatic since the throttle plate does not close all the way?

hlh0501 09-22-2004 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by IceY2K1
Nice....

Are those two spikes to ~13.1 on your AFR when you first go to WOT?

those are when I lifted for the shift... then when I come back into it WOT, you see the 11.5 spike as it settles back into the 10s.

I guess I should have stated, the two flat lines are 3rd and 4th gear. and right before that, where it bounces from 12->10->12 is 2nd gear spinning like crazy as I tried to feather the gas.

IceY2K1 09-22-2004 08:54 AM

I thought that at first, but figured it would go rich, since you have an open atomosphere BOV, ie metered air is released, so there is excess fuel.

pimpjuice 09-22-2004 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by hlh0501
Wideband log:
Made some changes tonight, and went a little too rich, but nonetheless
Steady 10.x af under boost

I notice you say you went a little too rich. What AF are you trying to tune for?

I try for a steady 11.5

hlh0501 09-22-2004 06:02 PM

Ice, my MAF is after the BOV, so no metered air is released :)

I had it tuned to 11.8 (my goal) and tinkering plus a FP problem had me to 10.5 last night.
I think it is near 11.0 now

BlackBIRDVQ 09-22-2004 06:09 PM

When will the turbo Y pipes be availible ??? I'm ready to do some nasty things to my new engine on the engine stand.

IceY2K1 09-22-2004 06:13 PM

:shiner: :shiner: :shiner: :shiner:



Originally Posted by hlh0501
Ice, my MAF is after the BOV, so no metered air is released :)


slimer 09-23-2004 06:06 AM

jez, once youre done with the "new" dek, do you want to tinker with your ae vi and my de?

BlackBIRDVQ 09-23-2004 06:44 PM

slimer, I got home yesterday and the dude revoked my bid- as I was the only bidder. Looks like every auction he had up was a fluke. It showed alot of diff engines for sale n stuff but nothing went through. But I am getting another DE-K so I can do some tinkering to it internally before I put it in the car.

stephenlc 09-24-2004 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by BlackBIRDVQ
slimer, I got home yesterday and the dude revoked my bid- as I was the only bidder. Looks like every auction he had up was a fluke. It showed alot of diff engines for sale n stuff but nothing went through. But I am getting another DE-K so I can do some tinkering to it internally before I put it in the car.

aww thats bull****. Report him.


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