Supercharged/Turbocharged The increase in air/fuel pressure above atmospheric pressure in the intake system caused by the action of a supercharger or turbocharger attached to an engine.

Shaking her down...

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 19, 2004 | 03:11 PM
  #1  
MardiGrasMax's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 4,491
Shaking her down...

I have sort of mixed feelings about my track visit today, first visit with the turbo set up. The good news is I was able to get the 60' times down to 1.745 and 1.713 on my two good runs. Using the M&H slicks at 11.5psi dumping at 6k and just short of power shifting 2nd, boost controller set at 14.5psi, but with no juice! However on the big end she is sufering, traps were consistant 108mph range and ets were 12.5sec. I really think the timing on the JWT ECU is too conservative, my EGTs were in hitting 920c but AFRs were steady at 11.1, this points to too little timing advance. Having a 2.5" flex section before my 3" exhaust is choking me I'm sure. Injector duty cycles were 96% peak and TT-MAFv was 4.69 with 15.3 psi spike, so I cant crank up the boost anymore until I switch to 740cc injectors. Excuses excuses, fast but not fast enough for me, Ive got more work to do
Old Sep 19, 2004 | 04:21 PM
  #2  
TsingTsaoNYC's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 1,168
Originally Posted by MardiGrasMax
ets were 12.5sec



Wow
Old Sep 19, 2004 | 05:02 PM
  #3  
RA030726's Avatar
I'm nutty for Nissans
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 9,311
Nice to hear it hauls some a$$. good luck making it faster.
Old Sep 19, 2004 | 06:18 PM
  #4  
VQ30DES's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 181
Not to say your time is bad cause 12's in anything is bada$$, but Requin6 ran a 12.9 at 111 i believe with s/c at 11psi and still had stock cat-back. So once you get all the details sorted out you should be in the 11's for sure, right? Also what kind build up did you do to the internals in there? NOw you need to go show some ZO6's whats up!!!
Old Sep 19, 2004 | 06:27 PM
  #5  
Iilac's Avatar
Spelled with a I not a L for Iilac. Prounced Ii-eee-ack.
iTrader: (65)
 
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,434
From: Central Valley, California
12.5 is slow for a guy when he has tasted the time of 11.9.
Old Sep 19, 2004 | 06:36 PM
  #6  
subs1000w's Avatar
Supporting Maxima.org Member
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 3,371
12.5 @ 108 not to bad but i think your right about the traps i expected to see somthing more like this

12.5 @ 115

and with spray 11.5 @ 125

you need to get to a dyno because those traps point to a some what lower than expected whp maybe 350whp but at 15psi that seems quite abit low but timing could have alot to do with that



i guess you cant really put the stock ecu backin to see how it would run
Old Sep 19, 2004 | 06:39 PM
  #7  
subs1000w's Avatar
Supporting Maxima.org Member
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 3,371
Originally Posted by VQ30DES
Not to say your time is bad cause 12's in anything is bada$$, but Requin6 ran a 12.9 at 111 i believe with s/c at 11psi and still had stock cat-back. So once you get all the details sorted out you should be in the 11's for sure, right? Also what kind build up did you do to the internals in there? NOw you need to go show some ZO6's whats up!!!
hes on stock internals

um Z06 vettes on average trap @ 115 to 116 so 108mph aint ganna cut it
Old Sep 19, 2004 | 06:58 PM
  #8  
stephenlc's Avatar
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 3,216
3 inch downpipe, to 2 1/1 inch flex section to 3 inch exhaust? Can you tell from the e-manage how much timing is getting pulled?
Old Sep 19, 2004 | 10:03 PM
  #9  
Redmax's Avatar
Redlinemax Owner
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,027
The emanage will not tell you how much timing is being pulled. It will only show the amount of timing that you are pulling out of it using the emanage. MAtt I do agree with subs. I was thinking on my way home that maybe you should dyno that car at SRT to see what the car really is doing right now.
Old Sep 20, 2004 | 03:34 AM
  #10  
vortechpower's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,564
How are you running 14.5psi on stock internals. Is it that you have the J&S safegaurd?
Old Sep 20, 2004 | 05:56 AM
  #11  
MardiGrasMax's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 4,491
Originally Posted by Redmax
The emanage will not tell you how much timing is being pulled. It will only show the amount of timing that you are pulling out of it using the emanage. MAtt I do agree with subs. I was thinking on my way home that maybe you should dyno that car at SRT to see what the car really is doing right now.
Leme get the exhaust opened up, and AFR up a bit and see how he feels. I will also be trying the stock ECU again for the timing issue. No need to dyno just yet, 108mph shows it all, even my two crapy cold launchs were 108mph. When I switched from my 2.5" to 3" set up I picked up 30whp, when I added the Geforce ECU to the SC set up I picked up 20whp, thats 50whp right their. Ive got some work to do before I dyno.
Old Sep 20, 2004 | 05:57 AM
  #12  
MardiGrasMax's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 4,491
Originally Posted by vortechpower
How are you running 14.5psi on stock internals. Is it that you have the J&S safegaurd?
its all in the tuning.
Old Sep 20, 2004 | 07:44 AM
  #13  
hlh0501's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 2,371
What about hooking up a ODB reader and seeing what timing is? It wont show you what emanage or J&S are doing to it, but it will show what the ECU is advancing, yes?

Glad you're getting to play some, it'll be awesome once you get the bugs worked out. We should have a track day somewhere between us here in the future - I'd love to check your setup out.
Old Sep 20, 2004 | 08:57 AM
  #14  
MardiGrasMax's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 4,491
Originally Posted by hlh0501
What about hooking up a ODB reader and seeing what timing is? It wont show you what emanage or J&S are doing to it, but it will show what the ECU is advancing, yes?

Glad you're getting to play some, it'll be awesome once you get the bugs worked out. We should have a track day somewhere between us here in the future - I'd love to check your setup out.
Yep I was thinkin the same thing, A buddy of mine has my cable I just need to get it back.

We need trailers.
Old Sep 20, 2004 | 09:36 AM
  #15  
stephenlc's Avatar
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 3,216
Originally Posted by MardiGrasMax
Yep I was thinkin the same thing, A buddy of mine has my cable I just need to get it back.

We need trailers.
so there is away to see the exact timing that is being pulled?
Old Sep 20, 2004 | 09:49 AM
  #16  
Redmax's Avatar
Redlinemax Owner
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,027
Only with an OBD reader
Old Sep 20, 2004 | 02:12 PM
  #17  
MardiGrasMax's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 4,491
740cc Injectors are on their way, whoot!
These should be good for 600whp, the current ones were maxed out at 418whp, rough calculations based on dutycycle, but still in the ball park.
Old Sep 20, 2004 | 02:21 PM
  #18  
Bags's Avatar
VG Ridah's Biatch Hoe
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 8,472
Originally Posted by MardiGrasMax
740cc Injectors are on their way, whoot!
These should be good for 600whp, the current ones were maxed out at 418whp, rough calculations based on dutycycle, but still in the ball park.

GREAT runs.



And DAMN 740cc injectors... wow.. what kind are they? 4th gen or 5th gen fuel rail?
Old Sep 20, 2004 | 02:29 PM
  #19  
MardiGrasMax's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 4,491
4g, 300ZX-TT
Old Sep 20, 2004 | 02:55 PM
  #20  
Nealoc187's Avatar
SLOW
iTrader: (23)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 14,617
From: West burbs, Chicago
Good to see you got it out to the track.

I'm curious about your traps though since you mention that the injectors top out at 418hp. If you were indeed putting down 418whp or even in that ballpark, you would have been trapping much higher than 108... what gives?
Old Sep 20, 2004 | 03:53 PM
  #21  
MardiGrasMax's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 4,491
Could the Redline Shock Proof Heavy gear oil be sucking allot of power?
I was running lower air pressure than normal in the slicks, that will suck mph.
Compared to my old SC set up, with out running nitrous, the ET for boost only is close, MPH was ~112 for the SC set up. The 2.5" flex section is choking the exhaust. Bewen all this I'd say 4mph sounds about right.
Old Sep 20, 2004 | 03:55 PM
  #22  
MardiGrasMax's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 4,491
Where can I get a good deal on a 3" flex section?
Old Sep 20, 2004 | 04:26 PM
  #23  
Julio's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 249
Originally Posted by MardiGrasMax
Where can I get a good deal on a 3" flex section?
Got mine off ebay for $40
Old Sep 20, 2004 | 05:30 PM
  #24  
stephenlc's Avatar
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 3,216
Originally Posted by MardiGrasMax
Where can I get a good deal on a 3" flex section?
I try e-bay I have seen Stainless ones sell for like $120.
Old Sep 20, 2004 | 05:41 PM
  #25  
IceY2K1's Avatar
Fastest Fantasy Maxima Evar
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 16,245
Burns Stainless and ATPturbo have them, but pricey.

Just make sure it's got the accordian looking inner lining.
Old Sep 21, 2004 | 08:50 PM
  #26  
hlh0501's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 2,371
Mardigras, do you have any emanage logs I can look at to see your spool?
Are you having to respool after each shift?
Old Sep 21, 2004 | 10:23 PM
  #27  
iansw's Avatar
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 7,936
From: Puyallup WA
This is sort-of OT - but you said: "Using the M&H slicks at 11.5psi dumping at 6k"
You mean you reved to 6k from a stop and dumped the clutch on takeoff!?

If so - This tells me good things about the Clutchnet clutch!
My ACT blew when running to only 3500 and dumping it.
Old Sep 22, 2004 | 02:49 AM
  #28  
stephenlc's Avatar
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 3,216
Originally Posted by MardiGrasMax
740cc Injectors are on their way, whoot!
These should be good for 600whp, the current ones were maxed out at 418whp, rough calculations based on dutycycle, but still in the ball park.
Stock engine? When you turn up the boost with the 720cc?
Old Sep 22, 2004 | 05:11 AM
  #29  
DonSupreme's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 617
IANSW you only had ACT stage 1 though right?
Old Sep 22, 2004 | 05:45 AM
  #30  
MardiGrasMax's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 4,491
Originally Posted by hlh0501
Mardigras, do you have any emanage logs I can look at to see your spool?
Are you having to respool after each shift?
I have not done data files, but I can say from what I have seen that it take about .50 to .75 seconds for it to re spool to full boost in the 2-3 shift.
Old Sep 22, 2004 | 05:48 AM
  #31  
DA-MAX's Avatar
Eat, sleep, and sh*t 2JZ
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 13,978
Originally Posted by MardiGrasMax
Where can I get a good deal on a 3" flex section?
SS braided for $55... http://www.kteller.com/store/index.php/cPath/23_85_87

not sure on the length needed for the Maxima though
Old Sep 22, 2004 | 05:53 AM
  #32  
MardiGrasMax's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 4,491
Originally Posted by iansw
This is sort-of OT - but you said: "Using the M&H slicks at 11.5psi dumping at 6k"
You mean you reved to 6k from a stop and dumped the clutch on takeoff!?

If so - This tells me good things about the Clutchnet clutch!
My ACT blew when running to only 3500 and dumping it.
Yes! 6k dump and hook!

The first run of the day is allways bad becase the clutch and tires are not warm yet. I get clutch slip in the burn out box, and no traction when I launch. The second run was AWESOME. I was pushed into my seat and my head felt very very heavy when she hooked and pulled a 1.7 60'. AWESOME!
Old Sep 22, 2004 | 08:58 AM
  #33  
IceY2K1's Avatar
Fastest Fantasy Maxima Evar
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 16,245
Can we get SOMEONE local to Mardi to start recording these runs PLEEEEEEEASE.

I'd love to have seen the crowd reaction when you ran that 11.9 and soon to be low 11s.
Old Sep 22, 2004 | 09:14 AM
  #34  
Nealoc187's Avatar
SLOW
iTrader: (23)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 14,617
From: West burbs, Chicago
Originally Posted by IceY2K1
Can we get SOMEONE local to Mardi to start recording these runs PLEEEEEEEASE.

I'd love to have seen the crowd reaction when you ran that 11.9 and soon to be low 11s.

if i remember correctly his 11.91 is on video... or perhaps im thinking of another one of his runs. i know i've seen him run on video before.
Old Sep 22, 2004 | 09:20 AM
  #35  
MardiGrasMax's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 4,491
I think the one of me was a low 12 run against an F body. Corey had his camera but I dont know if he got any good runs or not?
Old Sep 22, 2004 | 11:38 AM
  #36  
turbo97SE's Avatar
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,035
From: Fort Collins, Colorado
Nice times ... not good enough huh? Much better than mine.. I was running 13s at 108 but on streets and no Quaife ... but I visit the track once a year! I think you are right about the timing being off, but I guess JWT has to be conservative. too bad you can't advance it yourself 740cc injectors? Holy cow! Can't you increase fuel pressure for now? Are you running Cartech or other FMU? Yes, get that flex replaced! We changed the design on the pipe to a 3" section a while back you must have an older kit.

Originally Posted by MardiGrasMax
I have sort of mixed feelings about my track visit today, first visit with the turbo set up. The good news is I was able to get the 60' times down to 1.745 and 1.713 on my two good runs. Using the M&H slicks at 11.5psi dumping at 6k and just short of power shifting 2nd, boost controller set at 14.5psi, but with no juice! However on the big end she is sufering, traps were consistant 108mph range and ets were 12.5sec. I really think the timing on the JWT ECU is too conservative, my EGTs were in hitting 920c but AFRs were steady at 11.1, this points to too little timing advance. Having a 2.5" flex section before my 3" exhaust is choking me I'm sure. Injector duty cycles were 96% peak and TT-MAFv was 4.69 with 15.3 psi spike, so I cant crank up the boost anymore until I switch to 740cc injectors. Excuses excuses, fast but not fast enough for me, Ive got more work to do
Old Sep 22, 2004 | 11:56 AM
  #37  
turbo97SE's Avatar
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,035
From: Fort Collins, Colorado
One more thing I thought of is: are you running any kind of ignition booster? May be that would help too.
Old Sep 22, 2004 | 07:07 PM
  #38  
MardiGrasMax's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 4,491
If I lean her out a bit I think the ignition will be fine, the J&S helps a bit with this. Just street gas for now.
Old Sep 22, 2004 | 07:42 PM
  #39  
IceY2K1's Avatar
Fastest Fantasy Maxima Evar
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 16,245
Is there such a thing as an ignition booster for coil-on-plug cars?
Old Sep 22, 2004 | 09:46 PM
  #40  
hlh0501's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 2,371
Originally Posted by IceY2K1
Is there such a thing as an ignition booster for coil-on-plug cars?
I'm sure there is.... but what about one of those units that boosts voltage under 70%+ throttle. This would help fuel pump and ignition. They are only like 70$ as well

A MSD DIS setup would work with some fabricating...

LS1 coils are good to high power (guys in 9s are on stock coils and truck coils) ... fabbing these to the VQ wouldnt be too hard - and they can be had for under 200$

There would definately be horsepower to be gained if I could go back to say a .035gap from my 21 now!



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:27 PM.