turbo question....
12-08-2004, 04:39 AM
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turbo question....
I was talking to a mechanic that i met yesterday and he said that if I was to get a turbo he qould recomend me getting it on my stock engine first(b/c i am planning on gettting it rebuild first)so we can tune it without worrying about messing up a rebuild one. Just to run it untill it basically blows up. And then rebuild it. I guess since I dont know that much about the turbo's, tuning, and all the neccessities of a turbo. So Give me your Suggestions about what yall think I should do.
12-08-2004, 06:34 AM
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Unless you do something really stupid or do not upgrade the fuel system at all, running low boost on the motor will not cause any problems. So unless you plan on running 12psi right out of the gate then it won't make a difference.
12-08-2004, 11:30 AM
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im at ~242,000 and i was planning on running like 8-10psi daily driving...i guess i just dont know that much yet and this guy is one of the top 10 drifters on the world..i think or nation..lol
12-08-2004, 11:31 AM
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i mean and im gonna do engine rebuild anyway he mentioned a stillen rebuild so ill be pretty fast he just doesnt want anything to mess up on my car when just put in there...
12-08-2004, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ionblu_max96blk
im at ~242,000 and i was planning on running like 8-10psi daily driving...i guess i just dont know that much yet and this guy is one of the top 10 drifters on the world..i think or nation..lol
Do you plan on drifting your FWD maxima? What the hell does drifting have to do with anything
12-08-2004, 04:02 PM
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Do you plan on drifting your FWD maxima? What the hell does drifting have to do with anything
12-08-2004, 08:26 PM
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he meant by choosing stillen parts for my whoole engine as a rebuild and the whole drifintg thing chris is right im just showing that he knows wut he is doing his daily driver is an 800horsepower supra with a t88 turbo...
12-08-2004, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ionblu_max96blk
he meant by choosing stillen parts for my whoole engine as a rebuild and the whole drifintg thing chris is right im just showing that he knows wut he is doing his daily driver is an 800horsepower supra with a t88 turbo...
12-08-2004, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ionblu_max96blk
Yall dont have to be d**ks, im learning...dont discourage me, teach me the right way...let me learn the only way to learn is to b taught...
Don't worry dude
, you are doing right by asking questions. Alot of times people get pi$$ed because this board has been getting alot of repetitive questions lately and yours just happens to be one of them. Since the search feature is broken use google and type what you want to find out about then typ site:maxima.org. You can buy the pfi turbo kit which seems to be a favorite. Since you say this guy is knowledgeable he probably be able to custom build one. Just try looking at other peoples sites and see what setups they have. Just by browsing around here you will be amazed at how much you can pick up.
12-08-2004, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ionblu_max96blk
he meant by choosing stillen parts for my whoole engine as a rebuild and the whole drifintg thing chris is right im just showing that he knows wut he is doing his daily driver is an 800horsepower supra with a t88 turbo...
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=349254
yeh an 800hp Supra. woopee!! too bad he has and HAS had an incompetent team of fukkoff's for years now who work for him. People are saying you're doing the right thing by asking questions. I'll be the first one to say that you're asking the wrong questions. From your post(s) it seems like you have no idea what the hell you're talking about!
12-08-2004, 09:59 PM
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Which shop are you getting to do the work? That's the more important question than how many miles you have on your car.
If you're considering Mahdavi...they ****ed Shadow's S/C install and the damned thing is a bolt on. There's a reason why we could never get his car below 15.1 w/a 3.33" pulley and them forgetting to hook up the aux fuel pump could be one. The plate misalignment also shredded a couple belts and they wanted 1/2 the install cost to replace the belt. I'm amazed Shadow's car didn't blow up on one of the 6 drag runs it made running crazy lean at the track. That's not to mention the 300Z brake conversion they did and failed to secure a SS line causing brake failure while we were on vacation. Ask them about their stock turbo/downpipe automatic RHD Silvia they claim has 450whp. I kicked its *** at the track by almost a second on my first shakedown run with a turbo setup I built myself in a 3300lb auto '97.
That said, there are plenty of guys who love Mahdavi and their opinion is no less valid. JayCBR(who used to have the N20 4th Gen) and now with the S/C Lexus GS swears by them and he knows his stuff pretty well. They've had good experiences and we've had our problems w/ them to where I prefer to do my own work on the car or defer to other shops.
Compression test your car before you do anything and if it's fine then it'll hold out under regular boost levels. It's damned hard to blow up a car tuning for sub 10psi w/ basic fuel adders unless you go boost crazy but the compression check will make sure the motor's solid. Having it go could damage the turbo setup if it's a catastrophic failure meaning parts exit the engine and find their way into the turbine housing.
800hp Supras are a dime a dozen these days and most have their powerband in the 7000rpm+ range (T88's are pretty good at being dyno queens). You'd be amazed at how the 2JZ will hold up under even the biggest tuning mistake running C16. I've seen one hit 16:1 A/F on the dyno during a 500whp pull when an AFC reset and come out fine.
The dyno guy we use has a 1400hp Supra and it runs an 8.5...on stock pistons no less. Every turbo Max in the ATL short of Jay25 and Dixit have run on his dyno(there are only three others so that's not too impressive). He tuned both thebigsadler's and Shadow's car completely w/ over 80 dyno runs between them. Even so I still sit down and research everything going into the cars to make sure everything is covered since he's not a VQ expert and those are few and far between in general.
If you're considering Mahdavi...they ****ed Shadow's S/C install and the damned thing is a bolt on. There's a reason why we could never get his car below 15.1 w/a 3.33" pulley and them forgetting to hook up the aux fuel pump could be one. The plate misalignment also shredded a couple belts and they wanted 1/2 the install cost to replace the belt. I'm amazed Shadow's car didn't blow up on one of the 6 drag runs it made running crazy lean at the track. That's not to mention the 300Z brake conversion they did and failed to secure a SS line causing brake failure while we were on vacation. Ask them about their stock turbo/downpipe automatic RHD Silvia they claim has 450whp. I kicked its *** at the track by almost a second on my first shakedown run with a turbo setup I built myself in a 3300lb auto '97.
That said, there are plenty of guys who love Mahdavi and their opinion is no less valid. JayCBR(who used to have the N20 4th Gen) and now with the S/C Lexus GS swears by them and he knows his stuff pretty well. They've had good experiences and we've had our problems w/ them to where I prefer to do my own work on the car or defer to other shops.
Compression test your car before you do anything and if it's fine then it'll hold out under regular boost levels. It's damned hard to blow up a car tuning for sub 10psi w/ basic fuel adders unless you go boost crazy but the compression check will make sure the motor's solid. Having it go could damage the turbo setup if it's a catastrophic failure meaning parts exit the engine and find their way into the turbine housing.
800hp Supras are a dime a dozen these days and most have their powerband in the 7000rpm+ range (T88's are pretty good at being dyno queens). You'd be amazed at how the 2JZ will hold up under even the biggest tuning mistake running C16. I've seen one hit 16:1 A/F on the dyno during a 500whp pull when an AFC reset and come out fine.
The dyno guy we use has a 1400hp Supra and it runs an 8.5...on stock pistons no less. Every turbo Max in the ATL short of Jay25 and Dixit have run on his dyno(there are only three others so that's not too impressive). He tuned both thebigsadler's and Shadow's car completely w/ over 80 dyno runs between them. Even so I still sit down and research everything going into the cars to make sure everything is covered since he's not a VQ expert and those are few and far between in general.
12-09-2004, 03:02 AM
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I am considering buying bags turbo kit when summer starts if he still has it. If worse comes to worse I will just do a PFI setup on it. I think I am just going to buy a long block motor instead of just rebuilding mine because the actual motor will still have so many miles on it and I need it to be a reliable car to last me for a while.
12-09-2004, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ionblu_max96blk
I am considering buying bags turbo kit when summer starts if he still has it. If worse comes to worse I will just do a PFI setup on it.
Originally Posted by ionblu_max96blk
I think I am just going to buy a long block motor instead of just rebuilding mine because the actual motor will still have so many miles on it and I need it to be a reliable car to last me for a while.
12-09-2004, 10:52 AM
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Which shop are you getting to do the work? That's the more important question than how many miles you have on your car.
If you're considering Mahdavi...they ****ed Shadow's S/C install and the damned thing is a bolt on. There's a reason why we could never get his car below 15.1 w/a 3.33" pulley and them forgetting to hook up the aux fuel pump could be one. The plate misalignment also shredded a couple belts and they wanted 1/2 the install cost to replace the belt. I'm amazed Shadow's car didn't blow up on one of the 6 drag runs it made running crazy lean at the track. That's not to mention the 300Z brake conversion they did and failed to secure a SS line causing brake failure while we were on vacation. Ask them about their stock turbo/downpipe automatic RHD Silvia they claim has 450whp. I kicked its *** at the track by almost a second on my first shakedown run with a turbo setup I built myself in a 3300lb auto '97.
That said, there are plenty of guys who love Mahdavi and their opinion is no less valid. JayCBR(who used to have the N20 4th Gen) and now with the S/C Lexus GS swears by them and he knows his stuff pretty well. They've had good experiences and we've had our problems w/ them to where I prefer to do my own work on the car or defer to other shops.
Compression test your car before you do anything and if it's fine then it'll hold out under regular boost levels. It's damned hard to blow up a car tuning for sub 10psi w/ basic fuel adders unless you go boost crazy but the compression check will make sure the motor's solid. Having it go could damage the turbo setup if it's a catastrophic failure meaning parts exit the engine and find their way into the turbine housing.
800hp Supras are a dime a dozen these days and most have their powerband in the 7000rpm+ range (T88's are pretty good at being dyno queens). You'd be amazed at how the 2JZ will hold up under even the biggest tuning mistake running C16. I've seen one hit 16:1 A/F on the dyno during a 500whp pull when an AFC reset and come out fine.
The dyno guy we use has a 1400hp Supra and it runs an 8.5...on stock pistons no less. Every turbo Max in the ATL short of Jay25 and Dixit have run on his dyno(there are only three others so that's not too impressive). He tuned both thebigsadler's and Shadow's car completely w/ over 80 dyno runs between them. Even so I still sit down and research everything going into the cars to make sure everything is covered since he's not a VQ expert and those are few and far between in general.
If you're considering Mahdavi...they ****ed Shadow's S/C install and the damned thing is a bolt on. There's a reason why we could never get his car below 15.1 w/a 3.33" pulley and them forgetting to hook up the aux fuel pump could be one. The plate misalignment also shredded a couple belts and they wanted 1/2 the install cost to replace the belt. I'm amazed Shadow's car didn't blow up on one of the 6 drag runs it made running crazy lean at the track. That's not to mention the 300Z brake conversion they did and failed to secure a SS line causing brake failure while we were on vacation. Ask them about their stock turbo/downpipe automatic RHD Silvia they claim has 450whp. I kicked its *** at the track by almost a second on my first shakedown run with a turbo setup I built myself in a 3300lb auto '97.
That said, there are plenty of guys who love Mahdavi and their opinion is no less valid. JayCBR(who used to have the N20 4th Gen) and now with the S/C Lexus GS swears by them and he knows his stuff pretty well. They've had good experiences and we've had our problems w/ them to where I prefer to do my own work on the car or defer to other shops.
Compression test your car before you do anything and if it's fine then it'll hold out under regular boost levels. It's damned hard to blow up a car tuning for sub 10psi w/ basic fuel adders unless you go boost crazy but the compression check will make sure the motor's solid. Having it go could damage the turbo setup if it's a catastrophic failure meaning parts exit the engine and find their way into the turbine housing.
800hp Supras are a dime a dozen these days and most have their powerband in the 7000rpm+ range (T88's are pretty good at being dyno queens). You'd be amazed at how the 2JZ will hold up under even the biggest tuning mistake running C16. I've seen one hit 16:1 A/F on the dyno during a 500whp pull when an AFC reset and come out fine.
The dyno guy we use has a 1400hp Supra and it runs an 8.5...on stock pistons no less. Every turbo Max in the ATL short of Jay25 and Dixit have run on his dyno(there are only three others so that's not too impressive). He tuned both thebigsadler's and Shadow's car completely w/ over 80 dyno runs between them. Even so I still sit down and research everything going into the cars to make sure everything is covered since he's not a VQ expert and those are few and far between in general.
12-09-2004, 10:57 AM
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Well I am getting him to do the engine components from him...He was just giving me advice about what his point of view was and his suggestions, that is why I brought it to the org because you are the peole who have done it to the maxima...
12-09-2004, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by chris'smax
After reading this i retract my previous statement about this dude. This guy must be a piece of $hit because i installed mine myself and before that all i had done was installed a air intake and coilovers.
Former mechanics for Mahdavi have done pretty nice work including Anderson Audio and their 8 second Supra but once again that doesn't necessarily translate into a quality build/install of a Maxima turbo.
Rebuilds for a VQ cost more than low mileage blocks and if you're staying stock internals it makes sense to just swap a motor if the stocker blows up. If you want to go for a built motor then consult w/ their machine shop directly b/c Mahdavi and pretty much any other tuner shop in Georgia outsources their engine building/machine work to one of the popular machine shops...KMS, Sunbelt, or Eagle.
12-09-2004, 11:54 AM
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this guy doesnot work for Mahdavi, I dont even know who that is. The mechanic i talked you has a shop off buford drive i think that where i was, and he is a drifter and has 3 rx7 just sitting there and a 400hrp miata and just random rare drifting cars that can go the limit...and the whole motor thing i was doin that whether or not getting a turbo so brand new motor long block would prob b better than rebuild...
12-09-2004, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ionblu_max96blk
this guy doesnot work for Mahdavi, I dont even know who that is. The mechanic i talked you has a shop off buford drive i think that where i was, and he is a drifter and has 3 rx7 just sitting there and a 400hrp miata and just random rare drifting cars that can go the limit...and the whole motor thing i was doin that whether or not getting a turbo so brand new motor long block would prob b better than rebuild...
What shop in Buford are you talking about exactly? A drift RX-7 and Miatas aren't Maximas so be wary of any broad promises since it's all too easy to get in over your head.
Drift cars don't go fast for the most part. Hell a lot of them are still stock motor cars w/ just a LSD and cheap tires out back. The reason being is they break a lot b/c of running at high rpm at slow speeds coupled w/ the high likelihood of running full tilt into a wall somewhere.
Turbocharging a Maxima isn't all that hard but if you're not particularly experienced yourself, finding someone w/ a few more years experience to do the work might be advisable. It's all in attention to detail and careful tuning in the end.
12-10-2004, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Mishap
The dyno guy we use has a 1400hp Supra and it runs an 8.5...on stock pistons no less. Every turbo Max in the ATL short of Jay25 and Dixit have run on his dyno(there are only three others so that's not too impressive). He tuned both thebigsadler's and Shadow's car completely w/ over 80 dyno runs between them. Even so I still sit down and research everything going into the cars to make sure everything is covered since he's not a VQ expert and those are few and far between in general.
EVERY turbo maixma on this board in atlanta, except dixit, has dyno'd there
12-11-2004, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Bags
EVERY turbo maixma on this board in atlanta, except dixit, has dyno'd there
The 95.5 The Beat Pimp My Sleigh Mitsubishi Lancer ES.
The most half assed prize car I've ever seen. We got 2 hours w/ it yesterday to get graphics designed and installed before it got whisked away for on-air promotions. Paint work was shoddy, rice equipment from Nopi involved dangerously shoddy welded in race seats and a shift ****. Batlground got 1 day to do the entire stereo install, suspension/wheel swap and Nopi didn't even donate an air filter to back the dayglo paint.
12-14-2004, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Mishap
Well let's just hope this blight on their record doesn't hurt their reputation...
The 95.5 The Beat Pimp My Sleigh Mitsubishi Lancer ES.
The most half assed prize car I've ever seen. We got 2 hours w/ it yesterday to get graphics designed and installed before it got whisked away for on-air promotions. Paint work was shoddy, rice equipment from Nopi involved dangerously shoddy welded in race seats and a shift ****. Batlground got 1 day to do the entire stereo install, suspension/wheel swap and Nopi didn't even donate an air filter to back the dayglo paint.
The 95.5 The Beat Pimp My Sleigh Mitsubishi Lancer ES.
The most half assed prize car I've ever seen. We got 2 hours w/ it yesterday to get graphics designed and installed before it got whisked away for on-air promotions. Paint work was shoddy, rice equipment from Nopi involved dangerously shoddy welded in race seats and a shift ****. Batlground got 1 day to do the entire stereo install, suspension/wheel swap and Nopi didn't even donate an air filter to back the dayglo paint.
So I could sell it for about 10K (atleast) and get some boost on my VQ
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