Supercharged/Turbocharged The increase in air/fuel pressure above atmospheric pressure in the intake system caused by the action of a supercharger or turbocharger attached to an engine.

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Old Sep 6, 2005 | 04:39 AM
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which wideband

if you have to choose between aem uego and zetronix zt-2 or would you get something else,,,, i'm trying to tune safely and i want to get the cheapest possible that will do the job no access to dyno
Old Sep 6, 2005 | 05:52 AM
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zeitronix because it gives you the ability to datalog.
Old Sep 6, 2005 | 07:27 AM
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whats their website because im in the market for a wideband also
Old Sep 6, 2005 | 08:34 AM
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Here you go,click here.
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 02:56 PM
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If you're not a stickler for a linear output and want logging(requires laptop), you might check out the WMS WB02:

http://www.sdsefi.com/wmsmm.htm


http://www.wmsracing.com/o2/index.htm
http://www.wmsracing.com/wmsweb/wideband.htm



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Old Sep 7, 2005 | 02:58 PM
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i like the r500 its a bit constly but it offers so much.
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 02:59 PM
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Yeah, the PLX R500 is best IMO, especially if you don't have a laptop, but need logging capability.
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 06:27 PM
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I love my zeitronics. Aside from just wide band, you can get the boost sensor, and exhaust temp sensor, and use one display for 3 different readings. And data-log.
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 06:45 PM
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Im glad you guys put up this post. I was going to get the aem wideband, a boost gauge, and a egt gauge. Now I can get all 3 in one. Im glad I saw this post, and will order this in the next 2 weeks when my turbo setup will be custom created and installed. Thanks!
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 06:49 PM
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i mounted my zt-2 to the steering column. its nice.
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 06:51 PM
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i mounted my zt-2 to the steering column. its nice.
Any pics? Cause thats where I was going to put my air/fuel gauge.
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Starchild2K2SE
Any pics? Cause thats where I was going to put my air/fuel gauge.


I personally ordered the Innovative LC-1..its a compact unit that has all the capabilities of the LM-1 and comes with the XD-1 gauge...I dont need to datalogg cause I can do that through the Emanage Unit.

here is it:

http://www.forgedinternals.com/store...cat=257&page=1



I ordered a plastic single gauge pod for my steering column like this:

Old Sep 7, 2005 | 07:08 PM
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How did you mount the lcd one to your steering colum.
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 07:56 PM
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that is my car that matty posted. 3m double sided tape is your friend.

I do have an autometer mounting bracket that I'm thinking of cutting in half and making an L bracket for the back of it to make it more sturdy.

I personally think that a custom fiberglass shell should be made, which was my original plan. Matty and I have discussed this over AIM. I have never worked with fiberglass so I was a little apprehensive about making a shell with my only steering column piece.
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 08:03 PM
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Wow I didn't realize the Zeitronix was that big. That looks about the size of an SAFC. It says on the zeitronix website that it's the size of a credit card. That's the biggest credit card I've ever seen.
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 08:04 PM
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its thinner and longer. it is a little smaller than the safc.
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Is that thing flush with the clear plastic cover over your gauges or is it mounted closer to the camera than that. It might be the pic playing tricks on me. If it's closer to the camera rather than flush against that clear plastic then that explains why it looks so huge.
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 08:11 PM
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its closer. about 1/3 of the way back from the front of the steering column. if i ever get my car to the track this year, maybe you'll see it.
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I'm making a fiber glass piece that goes over the colum and it should be finished by NOPI. That picture is a little deciving with the way the camera is angled. If you're sitting in the driving position, then you look right over the display to see the spedo, and tach. You miss the verry bottom of the speedo but thats all. I made a pod that held a boost guage and egt guage and it blocked the bottom 1/4 of the speedo and tach. That sucks when the deceleration function doesn't keep the car from stalling, and you don't know the car dies at a light!
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Old Sep 8, 2005 | 12:59 AM
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do any of u know if i can use two wbo2 sensors with the zeitronics? 1 per bank.

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Old Sep 8, 2005 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by mingo
do any of u know if i can use two wbo2 sensors with the zeitronics? 1 per bank.

TIA
maybe. I would ask zbigniew over at zeitronics if he could program one for you like that. it might be a little more.
Old Sep 8, 2005 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by choray911
I'm making a fiber glass piece that goes over the colum and it should be finished by NOPI. That picture is a little deciving with the way the camera is angled. If you're sitting in the driving position, then you look right over the display to see the spedo, and tach. You miss the verry bottom of the speedo but thats all. I made a pod that held a boost guage and egt guage and it blocked the bottom 1/4 of the speedo and tach. That sucks when the deceleration function doesn't keep the car from stalling, and you don't know the car dies at a light!
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Why would the car keep stalling?
Old Sep 8, 2005 | 09:59 AM
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Why would the car keep stalling?
When you vent gases that have been metered to the atmosphere, it causes a super rich condition that makes that car stumble.
Old Sep 9, 2005 | 03:01 PM
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yup thats it. I just tapped the troddle every time i slowed down to keep it running
Old Sep 9, 2005 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by slimer
maybe. I would ask zbigniew over at zeitronics if he could program one for you like that. it might be a little more.
thanx man. =D..

i figured it might be better to tune with 2 wBo2 that way i know if one side of the fuel rail is getting more fuel than the other, because nizmolee blew out cylinders 123 before or something. and i dont' want that happenning to me.
Old Sep 9, 2005 | 05:32 PM
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You may have a problem with high EGTs killing your wideband O2 sensors if you are placing them before your turbo (you are turbo right?). The documentation of every wideband I've seen says explicitly to be very careful of the temps the sensors see. Placing them there (before the turbo) is asking for trouble imho. But that's the only way you are going to get a reading off both cylinder banks unless you do a twin turbo and keep the exhaust routing separate.
Old Sep 10, 2005 | 03:15 AM
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they won't last long
Old Sep 10, 2005 | 03:19 PM
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You might consider the Dynojet Wideband Commander. Info is here: http://www.widebandcommander.com/
You can buy online for $410 - $440 so it is comparable in price to Zeitronics with LCD. Outputs to analog guage, laptop by USB. Also is supposed to hook to Dynojet dynos with one wire for tuning. Datalogs internally or externally, other inputs as well. Easy connection for RPM, TPS.
Has programmable logic relay output, that can control nitrous, water injection, timing retard, etc. "This output is designed to control the ground circuit on a relay system. The software is configurable to control the circuit based on 1, 2, or all 3 of the WBC inputs. Here's an example, lets say you have a nitrous oxide system on your vehicle. You would tie the "Programmable Relay Output" wire into the wire that provides the ground for the relay on the nitrous system. The WBC software allows you to define the logic as follows - "if TP is greater than 3v, and if RPM is greater than 3k, and A/F is less than 13.2:1" - then go ahead and provide a ground path for the circuit. "
Just an option - I found mine easy to install and works well. Guage matches my other autometer guages in "A" pillar pod.
Old Sep 10, 2005 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by mhadford
You might consider the Dynojet Wideband Commander. Info is here: http://www.widebandcommander.com/
You can buy online for $410 - $440 so it is comparable in price to Zeitronics with LCD. .
It doesnt come with a Digital Gauge to read A/F so its not soo presice...for like $425, it should be digital IMO...

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Originally Posted by Nealoc187
You may have a problem with high EGTs killing your wideband O2 sensors if you are placing them before your turbo (you are turbo right?). The documentation of every wideband I've seen says explicitly to be very careful of the temps the sensors see. Placing them there (before the turbo) is asking for trouble imho. But that's the only way you are going to get a reading off both cylinder banks unless you do a twin turbo and keep the exhaust routing separate.
hrmm.. if that's the case i guess i'll just stick with one then.
Old Sep 13, 2005 | 01:11 AM
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it says that the plx r500 can display boost, but i don't see it in their website.. can anyone with this unit help me out?? i think i like this one over the zeitronix
http://www.plxdevices.com/R-500_productinfo.htm
Old Sep 13, 2005 | 01:25 AM
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You have to hook a MAP sensor up to it to read boost. You can view and log any 0-5V sensor on it. It's got way more features than the Zeitronix does... and it also costs 2x as much.
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thanx for the reply.. they both look like very nice units...
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