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Old Sep 5, 2007 | 12:13 AM
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Well ive decided against my prior setup lol.

Well i read the turbo faq, but id like to hear some responses from you guys.

This is the list ive come up with so far:

-T3/T4 hyrbid .48 compressor, .60 turbine, v band --600cad
-hks ssqbov kit with flange --180cad
-FMIC 32x6x2.5, 2.5" inlet and outlet --150cad
-turbo feed pipe with appropriate flange --255usd shipped
-silcone couplers atleast 8 at approx 10$ each --80cad
-T-Bolt clams 16 atleast at 4$ each --64cad
-Oil feed line and appropriate fitting --75cad
-Oil return line and appropriate fitting --90cad
-Autometer C2 boost gauge --60cad
-Apexi I-Auto turbo timer --100cad
-Blitz SSBC boost controller --250cad
-Custom 3"downpipe --250cad roughly
-Intercooler piping

Now I am going to be running low boost for awhile, like 4-5psi, i just want to get this setup on the road up and running before i start doing any fuel related mods.

5psi is ok on stock injectors and pump right?

In time when i go past 5psi, i will be upgrading to a walbro pump, and perhaps the vortech fmu. Does that seem like everything?

Right now i think my clutch could handle it, it is the 5th gen clutch, but ive read that it can actually take quite a beating. I plan on keeping my apexi catback but id upgrade to a 3" soon after.

Does that seem like it?

I will be doing it myself, honestly it seems pretty straight forward, my biggest concern before was the feed piping, thats not an issue anymore, the only thing now is intercooler piping and downpipe. What do you guys use for intercooler piping?

I guess id need to relocate my battery too, but right now thats the least of my concerns.

Oh my other question is, what is this turbo capable of, i coudlnt find a compressor map, and im still learning how to read them

thanks guys
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Old Sep 5, 2007 | 06:06 AM
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that turbo seems a little small. also what are you going to do as far as tuning?

intercooler piping you can buy on ebay or websites. its prebent and you just cut to fint and make sure you use good coupler with t bolt clamps. ( dont use hose clamps)

3" exhaust is a great idea after boost

and you might want to invest in a oil pressure gauge.

that intercooler core seems thin 2.5" you might want to find something thicker
Old Sep 5, 2007 | 06:19 AM
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where r u getting the feedpipe from
Old Sep 5, 2007 | 02:11 PM
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I am getting it from wunfastmax. I talked to him along time ago about buying his first one he made, but i didnt have the money at the time.

Yeah the specs on the turbo do seem a little small. The guy planned on using it on his skyline gts-t but he let his brother use it for the weekend..and he turned it up to 1.4bar and cracked the head, so hes selling the car as is.

What type of power do you guys think that turbo is capable of? Right now i dont have high aspirations, maybe 300WHP range for right now then after id go for the 400whp range.

For tuning, i will have a VAFC2, but im not sure how much that will be able to do. I was thinking about getting a FMU.

I found this on ebay for the intercooler piping, its gunna cost me about 220shipped, but includes the t-bolt clamps, 2.5" silicone hose connectors.

2x 90 Degree Mandrel bend

2x 45 Degree Mandrel bend

2x 180 Degree U bent Mandrel pipe

2x straight pipe

8x 2.5" 3 polyester reinforced High temperature silicone hose.

16x 2.5-2.75" T-Bolt Clamp best for turbo application.

All Piping are approximately 24" long. Pipe thickness:2mm.Pressure Rating: 35PSI

Think that will be enough? Ill probably need a few other little pieces but that should solve most of the problems. Also very few places in my area have a mandrel bender..i hear theres probably only 2 in my area so they charge quite a bit.
Old Sep 5, 2007 | 06:31 PM
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when you get the feedpipe please post if there are any fittment issues
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Will do. Hopefully there isnt any fitment issues, that would make this project a lot longer.
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Originally Posted by t6378tp
when you get the feedpipe please post if there are any fittment issues
I've sold two sets of pipes with no fitment issues to speak of(other than what is stated, I dont have the bracket that hold the battery tray up) and I do my best to figure where it might have been.

I'm sorry to anyone I have talked to about making these for, I've been a little busy with other things. I do plan on getting back on it and getting some more turbocharged maxima's on the road.
Old Sep 5, 2007 | 08:21 PM
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you are going to need something better than a vafc-II to tune the car get a greddy blue or ultimate
Old Sep 5, 2007 | 08:24 PM
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let me know about the feed pipe also. i have a forward y now but its kinda low.
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i assume the turbo you spoke of (should you stick with that one) is internally waste gated? if not then you'll want to add a wastegate to the list.
Old Sep 8, 2007 | 08:24 AM
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you can't find a compressor map of that turbo because you don't know what turbo it is... compressor maps are maps of the efficiency of the wheel in the turbo - and your description doesn't say what wheel it is. regardless though, a .48 housing is tiny and thus the wheel is probably tiny. got a link to that turbo?


also, you need something to tune with....
Old Sep 8, 2007 | 08:45 AM
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I would just add the walbro to the list now, I run nitrous and the stock pump was not able to keep up with anything after a 75shot also a fmu
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Bump time.

dont want to make another thread, but i just want to get a final list.

Here is my list, please add anything if im missing anything.

-Forward facing y-pipe, mandrel bent, heat wrapped
-3" downpipe, v-band style, with cutout
-2.5" intercooler piping
-28x9x2.5" FMIC 2.5" in/out
-Tial 38mm wastegate (12psi spring)
-Custom radiator (half size) with fan
-10 silicone couplers and 20 t-bolt clamps
-Oil feed and return lines with appropriate fittings (-4an feed, -10 drain)
-EGT Gauge with probe
-Oil pressure Tee (nismo)
-Vortech FMU with 8:1 Disk
-Vortech T-Rex Aux. Fuel pump with fuel line
-HKS SSQ BOV with flange and o-ring gasket.
-5th Gen clutch (30,000kms on it)
-MEVI ported/polished
-Apexi SAFC2
-HKS Turbo Timer with auto mode
-Also throw this in, the transmission was fully rebuilt, 3-4 was shot peened, and i had the gears de-burred, all bearings/seals were replaced with OEM nissan ones, and were properly shimmed. I would have considered the PAR upgrade for 3rd only, but at the time of the rebuild, i was not informed of the availability (almost a year ago)

Now the stuff i know i need is

-Turbocharger, finally decided, Garrett T61 O-Trim, .70AR Compressor, .68AR Turbine, Vband style discharge with T4 footprint. 4" inlet, 2.5" outlet on the compressor side.
-Boost gauge (Prosport gauge, already have the 2 pod a-pillar)
-Tial Small green spring, which is good for 7.2PSI. Dont want to go to high yet.
-3" Mandrel bent piping from the banks catback from a titan (scored it from work, loaded guy with blown titan wanted the stillen dual, so he gave me the banks piping lol.)
-I dont plan on getting a boost controller just yet, i want to keep the intial cost as low as possible, without half assing anything. I plan on controlling boost by the wastegate for now.

Now, just to get myself setup, im going to be running stock injectors, and stock MAF, unless i can find a Z32 MAF for cheap. Injectors will be upgraded to 440's, and i will be ditching the FMU/PUMP, in favour of a AFPR and Walbro 255, that will be wired directly to the battery. As some of you may have figured out, i bought Neal's old kit, which was Hals kit, but fixed and improved on.

Im super excited, ive been running around with stock y-pipe, and no JWT ECU, and to top it off i have a MEVI. Oddly enough, ive still had my fair share of kills, and of course ive been killed, but im so excited to get this done. Hopefully if i can get the turbo in time you can chalk up another boosted 4th gen by months end! I guess ill be the first turboed maxima in Vancouver, or for that British Columbia! Even though im not done, id still like to thank everyone for all the help and knowledge!

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Old Jun 2, 2008 | 01:17 PM
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How much you looking to spend on the z32 maf? I have one . Pm me.
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Everything looks good so far
That turbo is niiiice you are going to spool up sooo quick with the .68 turbine but I doubt it will choke up top. I will be installing a .84turbine which will be great for highway runs. Cant wait to see this thing complete.
Oh im holding out until I can atleast afford the par 3rd & 4th gears
What are you doing about traction?
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Wideband O2 kit to monitor afr.
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Wideband O2 kit to monitor afr.
Damn i didnt even think about that and i have one
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Everything looks good so far
That turbo is niiiice you are going to spool up sooo quick with the .68 turbine but I doubt it will choke up top. I will be installing a .84turbine which will be great for highway runs. Cant wait to see this thing complete.
Oh im holding out until I can atleast afford the par 3rd & 4th gears
What are you doing about traction?
And a 68 wont choke up top at all.
Old Jun 2, 2008 | 11:29 PM
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Well right now, i havent purchased a wideband. I plan on getting it tuned on the dyno with there wideband. I should be fine for a bit without getting it tuned, although i have a strong feeling i will be runing quite rich with the 8:1 disk.

Anyhow yes, i think this turbo will be good, im hoping it will be good all around, not a lot of lag, but not choking up top.

For traction, i have tein basics, 17x8 OZ superleggeras, and Hankook RS2 Z212's 235/45/17. They are pretty much new, and i think they should be enough for a bit.

I have my eye on a new set of rims, there 18x9's, which i plan on trying to run 265/35/18's on. Hopefully ill be able to run it without rubbing, but who knows till then. Ill most likely end up with 255's.
Old Jun 2, 2008 | 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by accordingtou
Everything looks good so far
That turbo is niiiice you are going to spool up sooo quick with the .68 turbine but I doubt it will choke up top. I will be installing a .84turbine which will be great for highway runs. Cant wait to see this thing complete.
Oh im holding out until I can atleast afford the par 3rd & 4th gears
What are you doing about traction?
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And a 68 wont choke up top at all.
All our setups are different.....
Please search
That is pure speculation I will be more comfy with proof such as a dyno.
Old Jun 2, 2008 | 11:49 PM
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Its all good guys!! I dont think a T61, with .70AR, .68 AR will choke up top. Even if it does a bit, im running a ported/polished MEVI, so i shouldnt run into any major power drop offs. Perhaps with a USIM, i would be worried about power drop offs, even with a turbo of that size, but i am not too worried.

Man if only you guys knew how stoked i am to get this done. Working 2 jobs, to try pay off the turbo kit, save for school, and buying tools for work (apprentice tech). Its hard, but man its going to pay off in time!

About the only thing i am going to change with this kit, is i am going to be modifing the piping, so i can keep my AC. I want it, and its not a option to lose it, so im going to get it all up and running first, so ill drop the AC first, then ill just put it back in when i mod the piping, and recharge it for free working at a nissan dealership has its benefits

The other good thing will be to see how long this motor lasts with the additional power. It has 205,000 miles (330,000kms). Other then a small inner timing cover leak, the motor runs good, my number 3 cylinder lifter(s) is getting a little noisy, but it runs good other then that. The oil leak is kinda annoying, but quite honestly, i find no point in fixing it, when i can get a used vq30 for 450$

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Old Jun 3, 2008 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by accordingtou
All our setups are different.....
Please search
That is pure speculation I will be more comfy with proof such as a dyno.

That is not pure speculation. I have that exact turbo, I used it on my maxima and I will be using it on my 350z. That combonation will not choke up to at all, and Im also well over 6000ft above sea level with thin air. I may not have a dyno, or timeslips, but I walked many of cars that trapped over 110 mph.
Old Jun 3, 2008 | 11:56 AM
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A couple of things to add and change if u wanted;
I would use a 4:1 fmu it comes closest to perfect a/f without major tuning from the afc,
walbro is a must otherwise u can have these lean spikes due to starvation of gas,
you can run up to 9-12psi or more with a 4:1 fmu and walbro with stock injectors stock maf and afc to lean it out a bit to get that Ideal tuning number! 11.5-12.5 or what ever you want!
Turbo seems small but should still make some nice power if setup is good and cold!
I would sujest to look at buying the 1st-4th nissan maxima gear set by PAR that has recently been designed with input shaft and needle roller bearings! its 4000$AUD but well worth it for a great mod some were down the line when u find that you have the power but no reliability with ur 5spd even if its been moded a bit it still will brake once u go turbo and push it for a wile!
Wide bands always a good idea but not a must!
sounds like ur going to have a lot of fun once its setup!
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Originally Posted by accordingtou
All our setups are different.....
Please search
That is pure speculation I will be more comfy with proof such as a dyno.
Originally Posted by wunfstmax
That is not pure speculation. I have that exact turbo, I used it on my maxima and I will be using it on my 350z. That combonation will not choke up to at all, and Im also well over 6000ft above sea level with thin air. I may not have a dyno, or timeslips, but I walked many of cars that trapped over 110 mph.
This is exactly why I choose my words carefully on the big org.
Speculation: Engaged in or based on conjecture rather than knowledge
I am very familiar with your old setup..... and my350z.com......
What a coincidence I have the same compressor housing too....
I chose the .84 turbine because it best suites my setup compared to the .68 or .96. I have 2.5"pre turbine 3" post exhaust piping & talkto the "pros" and I work on turbo vehicles everyday..

It is pointless to go any further with you. You have nothing but a butt dyno & mph as proof... That my friend is conjecture:
An opinion or conclusion based on incomplete information; a guess.
Ok we will say an educated guess
I simply expressed my opinion when I said "i doubt it will choke up top"
I should of said "Thats a nice size turbo, there is a small chance of it choking up top" I try not to confuse opinions with facts..
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 06:25 AM
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I would recommend getting the Z32 MAF and emanage or something to tune it with. The FMU may give you a wacky A/F curve; at least it did for me. I think my Z32 MAF came off of a J30; it's relatively cheap. I started with 370cc injectors, stock MAF, FPR, and BEGI adjustable FMU. It worked ok, but I was never super happy with it. The A/F was hard to tune, at full boost it ran way rich no matter what I did. So I ditched the 370's, FMU, and stock MAF and went to 660cc injectors and a Z32 MAF. Much, much better. Overall power output was only slightly higher at a given psi, but the car just ran better overall.

Originally Posted by 96blkonblkse
Bump time.

dont want to make another thread, but i just want to get a final list.

Here is my list, please add anything if im missing anything.

-Forward facing y-pipe, mandrel bent, heat wrapped
-3" downpipe, v-band style, with cutout
-2.5" intercooler piping
-28x9x2.5" FMIC 2.5" in/out
-Tial 38mm wastegate (12psi spring)
-Custom radiator (half size) with fan
-10 silicone couplers and 20 t-bolt clamps
-Oil feed and return lines with appropriate fittings (-4an feed, -10 drain)
-EGT Gauge with probe
-Oil pressure Tee (nismo)
-Vortech FMU with 8:1 Disk
-Vortech T-Rex Aux. Fuel pump with fuel line
-HKS SSQ BOV with flange and o-ring gasket.
-5th Gen clutch (30,000kms on it)
-MEVI ported/polished
-Apexi SAFC2
-HKS Turbo Timer with auto mode
-Also throw this in, the transmission was fully rebuilt, 3-4 was shot peened, and i had the gears de-burred, all bearings/seals were replaced with OEM nissan ones, and were properly shimmed. I would have considered the PAR upgrade for 3rd only, but at the time of the rebuild, i was not informed of the availability (almost a year ago)

Now the stuff i know i need is

-Turbocharger, finally decided, Garrett T61 O-Trim, .70AR Compressor, .68AR Turbine, Vband style discharge with T4 footprint. 4" inlet, 2.5" outlet on the compressor side.
-Boost gauge (Prosport gauge, already have the 2 pod a-pillar)
-Tial Small green spring, which is good for 7.2PSI. Dont want to go to high yet.
-3" Mandrel bent piping from the banks catback from a titan (scored it from work, loaded guy with blown titan wanted the stillen dual, so he gave me the banks piping lol.)
-I dont plan on getting a boost controller just yet, i want to keep the intial cost as low as possible, without half assing anything. I plan on controlling boost by the wastegate for now.

Now, just to get myself setup, im going to be running stock injectors, and stock MAF, unless i can find a Z32 MAF for cheap. Injectors will be upgraded to 440's, and i will be ditching the FMU/PUMP, in favour of a AFPR and Walbro 255, that will be wired directly to the battery. As some of you may have figured out, i bought Neal's old kit, which was Hals kit, but fixed and improved on.

Im super excited, ive been running around with stock y-pipe, and no JWT ECU, and to top it off i have a MEVI. Oddly enough, ive still had my fair share of kills, and of course ive been killed, but im so excited to get this done. Hopefully if i can get the turbo in time you can chalk up another boosted 4th gen by months end! I guess ill be the first turboed maxima in Vancouver, or for that British Columbia! Even though im not done, id still like to thank everyone for all the help and knowledge!
Old Jun 9, 2008 | 09:27 AM
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I would recommend getting the Z32 MAF and emanage or something to tune it with. The FMU may give you a wacky A/F curve; at least it did for me. I think my Z32 MAF came off of a J30; it's relatively cheap. I started with 370cc injectors, stock MAF, FPR, and BEGI adjustable FMU. It worked ok, but I was never super happy with it. The A/F was hard to tune, at full boost it ran way rich no matter what I did. So I ditched the 370's, FMU, and stock MAF and went to 660cc injectors and a Z32 MAF. Much, much better. Overall power output was only slightly higher at a given psi, but the car just ran better overall.
Then it's a Y32 MAF
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My mistake; it's been 4 years since I did all that stuff, so the details are a bit hazy.

Originally Posted by pmohr
Then it's a Y32 MAF
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