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Kevlo911 Aug 11, 2010 08:51 AM

Greymax's Coil Booster with pics
 
http://www.powerstream.com/dcdc.htm
PST-P90W power supply is the one we need.


Here are the mini instructions from grey

Originally Posted by grey99max (Post 6330850)
Yup - I did this - maybe 2 years ago - to get enough spark for my sprayed 3.0. It's pretty simple to install - there is one common feed wire for all the coils going through one of the connectors up by the battery. It's listed in the FSM.

The power supply has some connectors for IN and OUT - cut off the connectors to get to bare wires. There is one pair for IN and one pair for OUT. Connect the ground wires together and connect to the battery (-) terminal. Once you locate the red wire going into the connector for coil power, snip it and connect the power supply IN (+) wire to the harness side and connect the OUT (+) wire to the connector. Set the slide switch to 15 volts initially, and your car will start right up, if you get it right.

Be sure and protect the power supply from rain water. I mounted mine in front of the battery, where it's easy to change.

Need more spark? Set the output to 16 volts. This power supply will go much higher, but your coils might not like 22 volts.:D

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7...o/IMG_2355.jpg
That is the wire you want to tap.

Now I was skeptical since the wires are so small and since the part is so cheap. So as I was changing my plugs today I decided to see if the booster really works.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/Kevlo/003-1.jpg
Here it is

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/Kevlo/004-1.jpg
This is it set at 15v

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b77/Kevlo/002.jpg
And at 16v


I am going to keep it at 16v and my gap on the plugs is around .033/.034

I am sure I can run this safely now w/o blow out.

t6378tp Aug 12, 2010 12:33 PM

at 16v you should be able to open the gap up to around 40 depending on the amount of boost

Mad-MAX_SE Aug 12, 2010 03:10 PM

Do you think this would be effective for use on the fuel pump? I've noticed some disparity in output pressure based on voltage differences (Part of it might be my alternator starting to go out it would seem).

t6378tp Aug 12, 2010 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by Mad-MAX_SE (Post 7688268)
Do you think this would be effective for use on the fuel pump? I've noticed some disparity in output pressure based on voltage differences (Part of it might be my alternator starting to go out it would seem).

just hard wire it

grey99max Aug 12, 2010 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by Mad-MAX_SE (Post 7688268)
Do you think this would be effective for use on the fuel pump? I've noticed some disparity in output pressure based on voltage differences (Part of it might be my alternator starting to go out it would seem).

Good thinking - I have a Walbro 255lph HP in the tank, and noticed large voltage changes while using two sets of nitrous solenoids, so I got the 120-watt version of the Boosta power supply, hooked a 40-amp relay in place of the original fuel pump wiring, then ran the big power supply from my #10 12 volt buss wire from the battery through the relay.

This way, the pump is controlled in the same way that the stock pump is managed, but the Walbro gets a very stable voltage. I set mine to 15 volts and ran the power through a couple of 10-amp rectifier diodes, which drop about .75 volts each, which gives the pump 13.5 volts until the battery drops to 11 volts. I put a 1000mfd capacitor across the pump to soak up the voltage spikes from the pump, and all is good. For a later project, I'll raise the pump voltage to 15 volts when racing. You gotta love these switchable power supplies.

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Kevlo911 Aug 12, 2010 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by grey99max (Post 7688490)
Good thinking - I have a Walbro 255lph HP in the tank, and noticed large voltage changes while using two sets of nitrous solenoids, so I got the 120-watt version of the Boosta power supply, hooked a 40-amp relay in place of the original fuel pump wiring, then ran the big power supply from my #10 12 volt buss wire from the battery through the relay.

This way, the pump is controlled in the same way that the stock pump is managed, but the Walbro gets a very stable voltage. I set mine to 15 volts and ran the power through a couple of 10-amp rectifier diodes, which drop about .75 volts each, which gives the pump 13.5 volts until the battery drops to 11 volts. I put a 1000mfd capacitor across the pump to soak up the voltage spikes from the pump, and all is good. For a later project, I'll raise the pump voltage to 15 volts when racing. You gotta love these switchable power supplies.

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Impressive stuff on the fuel pump stuff


Yea, this is why I wanted to check with my voltmeter, since the power supply had such thin wires I wanted to make sure it was doing it's job.

BTW, any car updates?

Mad-MAX_SE Aug 12, 2010 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by t6378tp (Post 7688402)
just hard wire it

My car doesn't have the fuel pump drop resistor, so hard wiring won't affect the voltage the pump sees (at least from my observed voltages - if anything I would only hard wire it to ensure it stays at a high amperage).


Originally Posted by grey99max (Post 7688490)
Good thinking - I have a Walbro 255lph HP in the tank, and noticed large voltage changes while using two sets of nitrous solenoids, so I got the 120-watt version of the Boosta power supply, hooked a 40-amp relay in place of the original fuel pump wiring, then ran the big power supply from my #10 12 volt buss wire from the battery through the relay.

This way, the pump is controlled in the same way that the stock pump is managed, but the Walbro gets a very stable voltage. I set mine to 15 volts and ran the power through a couple of 10-amp rectifier diodes, which drop about .75 volts each, which gives the pump 13.5 volts until the battery drops to 11 volts. I put a 1000mfd capacitor across the pump to soak up the voltage spikes from the pump, and all is good. For a later project, I'll raise the pump voltage to 15 volts when racing. You gotta love these switchable power supplies.

Would there be any cause for concern running the pump at a constant, say 14v? My voltage varies from 12.5 (again alternator on its way out or a short somewhere) at a stop light to 14.5v at WOT at 3-4k rpm then trails off down to 13.7ish at red line. I have noticed upwards of a 10psi difference (while N/A) due to the ~2V difference.

grey99max Aug 12, 2010 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by Kevlo911 (Post 7688509)
Impressive stuff on the fuel pump stuff


Yea, this is why I wanted to check with my voltmeter, since the power supply had such thin wires I wanted to make sure it was doing it's job.

BTW, any car updates?

Yup, the stock wiring is just barely good enough for a stock car with a stock pump, so first I used the #10 battery buss for the old 12 volt bottle heaters, then went Duh! and used a simple 40-amp car relay and the 120 watt power supply to run the pump. Mad pump action now - and constant pressure.

The car? After I replaced what the vandals stole off the trailer - again - over the 4th of July weekend, I had to rebuild the battery and winch mounts so I could take everything off and on easily, then repair all the wiring they cut off the trailer... I had a "friend" track down the turkey responsible. He ain't coming back....The engine is sitting on a wheeled pallet with straps, and the car is prepped for a short trip to my mechanic. The long heat wave here ( 100+ , heat index = 115+ ) is what I'm waiting on now. Soon...

grey99max Aug 12, 2010 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by Mad-MAX_SE (Post 7688569)
My car doesn't have the fuel pump drop resistor, so hard wiring won't affect the voltage the pump sees (at least from my observed voltages - if anything I would only hard wire it to ensure it stays at a high amperage).



Would there be any cause for concern running the pump at a constant, say 14v? My voltage varies from 12.5 (again alternator on its way out or a short somewhere) at a stop light to 14.5v at WOT at 3-4k rpm then trails off down to 13.7ish at red line. I have noticed upwards of a 10psi difference (while N/A) due to the ~2V difference.

Which pump are you using? If it's not at least a 255lph Walbro, don't bother juicing it up - but I've seen a chart somewhere of the output/pressure with different voltages, and I'm almost sure the chart had voltages higher than 12.5 volts. If it lives at 14.5 volts from the battery, the power supply will go up to 22 volts. :eek:

Mad-MAX_SE Aug 12, 2010 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by grey99max (Post 7688615)
Which pump are you using? If it's not at least a 255lph Walbro, don't bother juicing it up - but I've seen a chart somewhere of the output/pressure with different voltages, and I'm almost sure the chart had voltages higher than 12.5 volts. If it lives at 14.5 volts from the battery, the power supply will go up to 22 volts. :eek:

Yeah, I have a Walbro 255. I know people use things like the Kenne Bell Boost-a-Pump and hit their Walbros with up to 16v with seemingly no issues.

Thing is, not to go off track too much, but I think I would benefit more from larger injectors (though the 3.5 is going to be in here very shortly which likely lower my fuel pressure needs). My fuel pressure is already getting kind of high (~70ish psi - depending on voltage), so hopefully I can keep it a bit lower with the slightly larger injectors on the 3.5.

streetzlegend Aug 12, 2010 11:21 PM

This little device is awesome, gray99 introduced me to it a year or two ago and im still using it, 16v since day one.

panda_1 Aug 21, 2010 08:51 PM

ok, the harnesses are not the same for a 5th gen, diff color wires and i do not have a thick red wire as shown in the pic. any help?

Kevlo911 Aug 22, 2010 06:19 AM

http://www.nicoclub.com/FSM/maxima/2000.5_Maxima/ec.pdf

EC-587 Red wire coming out of the ECM Relay Pin7

doublea Aug 22, 2010 07:05 AM

Thanks for this info, I'm not that good at reading electrical plan, but I'll give it a try later today.

Kevlo911 Aug 22, 2010 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by doublea (Post 7702080)
Thanks for this info, I'm not that good at reading electrical plan, but I'll give it a try later today.

Once you find the ECM relay, it is the only red wire there ;)

panda_1 Aug 22, 2010 09:51 AM

ok, im looking for the wire.......... searching fsm for ecm relay location, hoping they pinpoint it.

panda_1 Aug 22, 2010 10:14 AM

ok, i believe i found it...... its a relay inside one of the black boxes under the hood that says engine control, would that be the relay in question? it is located righ in fron of the battery, havent pulled it out yet to see if it contains a red wire or not but am i at least on the right path?

Kevlo911 Aug 22, 2010 10:17 AM

Yeah that should be it, it is in one of the relay boxes in the engine bay

doublea Aug 22, 2010 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by panda_1 (Post 7702291)
ok, i believe i found it...... its a relay inside one of the black boxes under the hood that says engine control, would that be the relay in question? it is located righ in fron of the battery, havent pulled it out yet to see if it contains a red wire or not but am i at least on the right path?

Sorry to break in, but this is directly related to your question.

Check my thread, I just posted some useful informations,pics & links, but I also need confirmation:: http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....28#post7702428

Thanks greymax, you & Kevlo have helped me a lot and I appreciate it very much.

panda_1 Aug 22, 2010 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by doublea (Post 7702499)
Sorry to break in, but this is directly related to your question.

Check my thread, I just posted some useful informations,pics & links, but I also need confirmation:: http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....28#post7702428

Thanks greymax, you & Kevlo have helped me a lot and I appreciate it very much.

your not breaking in, additional info is always welcomed in order to accurately determine the course of action.

pmohr Aug 22, 2010 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by panda_1 (Post 7701850)
ok, the harnesses are not the same for a 5th gen, diff color wires and i do not have a thick red wire as shown in the pic. any help?

According to the FSM wiring diagrams, it should be basically identical to what is shown, pin 3 on the black connector.

You could always check for continuity between the common power wire to the coils and each wire on the black connector (ignition off, of course). That'll tell you which it is.

panda_1 Aug 22, 2010 04:43 PM

ok, success on a 5th gen, couple tips to make it quicker..... as said negatives together tapped to battery, then your positive input (car charger end) attaches to relay and the output end to the wire coming out of the relay and voila as stated car fired right up.

streetzlegend Aug 22, 2010 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by panda_1 (Post 7702866)
ok, success on a 5th gen, couple tips to make it quicker..... as said negatives together tapped to battery, then your positive input (car charger end) attaches to relay and the output end to the wire coming out of the relay and voila as stated car fired right up.

Yo sorry i didnt answer bro, but good to know u got it done.

MoncefA33 Aug 24, 2010 09:21 PM

Panda, do you have any impressions of boosting coilpack voltage on an N/A car so far?

OC_Nooby Sep 3, 2010 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by MoncefA33 (Post 7706446)
Panda, do you have any impressions of boosting coilpack voltage on an N/A car so far?

Key question right there...

Whats the idea behind this? Is to get a bigger stronger spark to prevent blow outs? quicker starts? better response?

I'm trying to understand the pro's behind this, seeing as many of the hot shots are doing it :cool:

I do notice that in my car if I was to downshift and still be in boost my meth kit will activate and for a sec I would have a blowout as it spikes with richness. Will this help prevent this? or its my tune, prolly my tune >_<.

Just trying to understand

Thanks

grey99max Sep 3, 2010 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by OC_Nooby (Post 7720424)
Key question right there...

Whats the idea behind this? Is to get a bigger stronger spark to prevent blow outs? quicker starts? better response?

I'm trying to understand the pro's behind this, seeing as many of the hot shots are doing it :cool:

I do notice that in my car if I was to downshift and still be in boost my meth kit will activate and for a sec I would have a blowout as it spikes with richness. Will this help prevent this? or its my tune, prolly my tune >_<.

Just trying to understand

Thanks

More battery voltage to the coils means more spark voltage to the plugs. For nitrous, it's a lifesaver. Anywhere you have spark blowout, you should try this - heck, it's even cheap!

I have been trying it today on my newly installed built engine - it seems to still work OK.:D

:laugh:

OC_Nooby Sep 3, 2010 06:03 PM

So you will get a bigger strong spark, no need to gap as much, prevents spark blowout. Now one can just gap it and not have spark blowout. What would one gain to go for more voltage to the coils vs just gapping the sparkplugs.

Again, trying to understand. I searched this topic, many mixed feelings.

grey99max Sep 3, 2010 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by OC_Nooby (Post 7720616)
So you will get a bigger strong spark, no need to gap as much, prevents spark blowout. Now one can just gap it and not have spark blowout. What would one gain to go for more voltage to the coils vs just gapping the sparkplugs.

Again, trying to understand. I searched this topic, many mixed feelings.

Only one other topic - it works. Strong spark is good for everything. Teeny gaps don't fix much of anything over idle. If you don't have problems, don't worry about it. If you suspect a problem, try it.

?? :confused:

OC_Nooby Sep 3, 2010 08:26 PM

I shall try it and go from there. Will re gap to something bigger then my 0.026 :(

Flava_24/7 Sep 4, 2010 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by OC_Nooby (Post 7720833)
I shall try it and go from there. Will re gap to something bigger then my 0.026 :(

Wow, thats tiny. I thought my gap was small. Im running a gap of .028
Anything above that and I was experiencing blowout.
Im also using this laptop adapter to increase spark,..... however I cant remember if its set to 14 or 16v. Will be checking that today. If it is at 14 I will be increasing the voltage, and I too will be bumping up my gap.

t6378tp Sep 4, 2010 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Flava_24/7 (Post 7721090)
Wow, thats tiny. I thought my gap was small. Im running a gap of .028
Anything above that and I was experiencing blowout.
Im also using this laptop adapter to increase spark,..... however I cant remember if its set to 14 or 16v. Will be checking that today. If it is at 14 I will be increasing the voltage, and I too will be bumping up my gap.

wow thats tight .026 and .028, hows your gas mileage

OC_Nooby Sep 4, 2010 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by t6378tp (Post 7721178)
wow thats tight .026 and .028, hows your gas mileage

****ty, Thanks for asking. I'm getting this booster.

panda_1 Jan 26, 2011 04:21 PM

sorry i havent answered back since i put it in.... but, how can you tell if this thing is failing? just put a multimeter to it and see whether or not its dishing out the 16v?

Kevlo911 Jan 31, 2011 09:08 AM

Yea its not too hard to test

streetzlegend Jan 31, 2011 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by panda_1 (Post 7906392)
sorry i havent answered back since i put it in.... but, how can you tell if this thing is failing? just put a multimeter to it and see whether or not its dishing out the 16v?

Make sure you using a digital meter, i had a cheap analog one which didnt pick up the difference between 12v and 16v, and because of it I bought a 2nd one, to then find out the 1st one is still good lol.


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