Who would win? an 01 stock Max or an 04 stock GrandPrix gt1 in the 1/4?
The max is stock except for a GAB. The GP sounds like a muscle car, and im not sure if i can take it. I know sound is not everything, but the sound has to be coming from power.

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both cars are autos

 

Since the GP has a pushrod V6, it may jump you off the line but you might have the advantage in the mid to upper power band since the 3800s power tails off after a certain RPM.

 

01 Max should be running 90mph in the traps if running well, and if you get a good jump should run 15.0-15.3

The 240hp GTP's run low-mid 15's at 90-92 stock, so I doubt the 200hp overweight GPGT will be able to hang.

01 Max all the way!

 

did the race happen? and ^^^^

the 00 01 auto off the line pulls even less than the 4th gens, only top end more superior, its like 15.9 16flat, thats right around what a grand prix GT does

and a GTP can hit mid high 14s jus like the 5.5 6th gens, with proper launch and prep

yes, the traps are probably lower, but the torq at lower rpms makes this thing haul quite a bit

 

You need to clarify if you're talking GT or GTP. Also two dr or four dr. Big difference. I've seen reg GTs go mid 15s- low 16s, 4dr GTPs mid-high 14s, and 2dr GTPs as fast as 14.2-3.

Back when I was working at a GMC/Pontiac dealership I took a '98 2dr GTP out for a drive on a tranny problem. It felt just as good as my Alty IMO, but with more of a traction problem than the Alty...



Jon

 

Isn't the 00 222hp and the 01 227hp? You mean to tell me an Auto 5th gen (222hp or 227hp) runs high 15's to 16 flats?? Weak!

 

YES... ^^^ i have always wondered wtf was going on there, to me logically, it shoulda fit 15.5 15.7 or so......

https://maxima.org/shoptalk/sub_...ons/index.shtml

 

Excuse me?

Most stock GTP's are capable of mid 14's.

See sig.

Personally, I think it will be a close race, with the edge given to the GT, as they are a bit better right off the line. Power drops off with the VQ at a slightly lower point than it does with the 3800.

 

Capable, yeah, but don't count on seeing stock GTP's doing mid 14's like it's going out of style. 2.2xx 60', under 50 degrees 30% humidity, car running optimal, good fuel, weight reduction, I would say for sure the GTP would eek out a mid 14 second pass. Your car happens to be an extremely strong factory freak, your 96 mph trap proves this.

Has GM underrated your Supercharged 3800 (240hp/260tq), because your trap seems awefully high...I'm not saying BS, I believe you ran that time/trap.The VQ35 Maxima motor should be rated at 240/260 as well, and at 3325 lbs, my best trap ever is 94.5mph...stock. With your trap, you're probably pulling closer to 260hp/280tq, ya know?

I've had several (too many to count) run ins with stock GTP's, and I wax them like crazy, and up top they lose steam quick. I got trounced by a modded GTP a few weeks ago, and humbly admitted defeat on the GP race board, and now visit it every day/all day from work.

Anthunny just mentioned that 00 and 01 AT Maxima's do high 15's or low 16's. I still have a hard time believing that though...but whatever.

#'s don't lie though...

04 GPGT1 3477 lbs 200hp 230 tq
01 Maxima SE 3199 lbs 222hp 217 tq

Lets just say the 04 GPGT1 is 250 lbs heavier than the 01 Max, there is no way the 01 should lose this race. Stock for stock, the Max should take the GT1.

 

^^^

i have faith top end its superior... but this link says it ALL

https://maxima.org/shoptalk/sub_read...ons/index.shtm

 

IGNORE ABOVE LINK

https://maxima.org/shoptalk/sub_read...ns/index.shtml

^^^ this one works

 

The 97-03 GTP is rated at 240hp and 280ft lbs of tq.

They are underrated though, especially the torque.

My last GTP, a 98, ran a 14.5 stock, and after getting rid of the u-bend and resonator, and changing to a 180 drilled t-stat, it pulled 213 fwhp and 307 fwtq. If you do the 20% driveline loss, being an auto, you will see the h.p. is not far off, at around 256 hp, but the torque is way higher at around 368 crank torque!

Most stock GTP's dyno at around 200 fwhp and 290 fwtq.

My passes were not made during optimal conditions, as traction was bad, or I could have run slightly quicker. The quickest stock GTP I know of ran a 14.1@97, so mine is not the fastest, but it is a little quicker than most, but I still think the average is mid 14's, unless the driver is not good enough, or something is wrong, like KR from cheap gas or something.

As far as GT's go, the fastest n/a GT is in the 13's, and there are tons running 14's with bolt ons, some of them low 14's.

I also witnessed a stock Monte Carlo SS, same drivetrain, run a 15.6 on a hot 95 degree day completely stock, so don't be surprised if the GT does win.

Should be close though.

 

^^^

so what do avg GT's run?

how the hell does a GT run 13s N/A ???
slicks? gutted? CF ****? bunch of basic mods?

althought 14s(are within range) still what mods?

 

He ran with slicks, has a cam, rockers, headers.etc.etc.

I have seen GT's run 14's with u-bend and resonator removal, 180 t-stat, FWI or CAI, and DHP PCM.

Average GT's run around 15.6.

 

how would a grand am GT compare to a grand prix GT ?

 

When I was at the track a couple weeks ago, the GTP that lined up next to me ran a 14.396@98.65MPH. I was talking to him in the staging lanes, and he said he had a couple bolt ons, but nothing special. I think his was a 2002. He did 2.357 60 ft, and 1/8th was 9.339@79.4. He almost had a chance cause I fell asleep at the light that round. I ran him down, and beat him with a 14.091. If the Max is stock, you might get waxed.

 

I guess none of you guys have seen the GTP vs. 2k2 Max vs. 350Z video? The GTP takes it off the line, but from a roll, it cant quite hang. That shows the torque advantage of the blown engine vs. NA, but the high RPM power is similar or less than that of the Maxima. Dont forget the GTP is also around 3800 pounds (pretty sure bout that, might only be 3600).

And then to top it all off, want easy power? put on a new pully and you get more boost! How simple! My little brother could do that mod!

 

This thread started off as an 01 Maxima auto versus a GP GT, (not GTP), now its turned into a 2002+ Maxima versus a GTP.

My 01 GTP traps higher than most 02 Maximas, so from a roll it will still get down the road with no problem. I only race at the track though. On average though an 02+ auto Max versus a GTP is a good race, with the driver being the deciding factor. I still give the edge at the track to the GTP due to a torque advantage.

Mine weighed in a 3,505 lbs, and is completely loaded with every possible option, and had nearly half a tank of gas.

 

Hello all,

I have an 00 SE auto with the 17's and a friend of mine has a 98 GTP 2 door. We raced twice from 0-100 mph. Let's just say I got beat pretty good, granted at the time I had 100 lbs of stereo gear in the trunk. The GTP jumped first off the line and pulled about 4 car lengths+ on me till 90 mph, but after that it evened out. I was not gaining on him but he was not pulling on me anymore. I want to try that one again not that me+the car is lighter :-)

 

I hold very few GM products in admiration, however of late, the supercharged pushrod 3800 equipped cars and the recently deceased pushrod LS1 powered F-bodies, the newly introduced GTO, and of course the LS1/LS6 powered Vettes/VetteZ06 are on the top of my fave GM products. They may not know how to do stylish interiors (Buy an Audi if you want a nice interior I guess), but their priorities are straight over at GM - powertrains...

 

I think the GT will take 00-01 out... I've seen stock one run mid 15 at local track.. I was stuck @ 15.8 that day (stock) they were trapping at 88-89mph~ & our trap was indentical.... they're not slow

 

Harrumph! Check out "The Pushrod Engine Finally Gets Its Due" Road & Track, May 2004.

I know a little about this. I traded a 2001 AE 5 speed for a 2004 SE 6 speed. I can say unequivocally, the 2004 is hands down in every way faster than the 2001. 0-60, 50-100, any speed to 0. Just don't get into a u-turn contest with the 01 Maxima he will eat you alive!

My personal experience with the Pontiacs is that your pretty safe to take one on. Even if he wins you probably won't be embarrassed.

 

Well of course it's faster. You went from the 3.0VQ to the 3.5VQ.

 

You really think that's what it is? I'll have to give that some thought. I figured it was the tooth grille...

 

do you have any stickers?

 

My Snap-On tool box is stickered up like a pro-stocker. Is that what you mean?

 

i was just wondering if between the tooth grill and the stickers you were running 12s

its common knowlege that stickers yeild more hp than the tooth grill

 

jus change the grill, no biggie

 

I do have a toll tag but I was lead to believe that the power gains were offset by the weight.

 

the 2000 and 2001 models have 222hp.

the exception is the 2001 Anniversary Edition (commonly reffered to here as the "AE")

They have 227hp.


-vq

 

Numbers don't like, but people's interpretations of them often do. If your numbers don't lie, then why are GPGT's able to run mid-15's? Why do 01 Max autos "only" run mostly high-15/low-16 times?

It's all about WHERE the power is made. To get a good ET you need a strong launch with a good 60'. The GM 3800 is making ALL of its torque right off the line where you need it, making it ideal for the 1/4 mile. The VQ30DE-K on the otherhand is a top-end beast. It's noticeably weaker off the line and needs to get "spooled up" like a Honda. It won't 60' as strong and then it'll be playing catchup all the way down the track. Yeah, if the race is long enough the Max will probably catch and pass, but that point won't necessarily be before the 1/4 mile. On top of that, the 2k Maxs "short-shift" at about 6000 rpm when peak power isn't made until 6400 rpm. So the Max driver needs to be manually shifting their auto and not bouncing off the rev limiter on top of that.

So I'd say it'd be a driver's race with an advantage to the GPGT in the 1/8th and the advantage to the Maxima in the last 1/8th. I'd giver overall advantage to the GP if the Maxima has the heavy 17's (slows it down 2-3 tenths) but otherwise it's really a toss up if you ask me. BTW I've driven both of these cars. The GPGT is definitely a ton stronger off the line than a 2k Max auto. In fact, the GPGT is so strong off the line that it'd give me a good run for my money in my 99 5spd if I wasn't paying attention. Even I wouldn't sleep on any GM 3800. Especially the Series II/III versions.


I really do need to finish this article thats been on the back burner for ages. It covers most of this.

 

My friend and I went at it the other night as well. He has a 00 GTP 4dr and he got me out of the hole( I had some wheel hop) and I was able to get within a 1/2 car during the sweet spot but then when the tranny upshifted I would drop back to a full car length then back to a 1/2 car length in the sweet spot. This was from 0-80 when he lifted. I have 100+ lbs of stereo goodies on board and I want a rematch. He has a cat-back sys and stock stereo. I have a injen cai & a muffler. Definitly a driver's race.

Dave
02 Maxima SE
85 El Camino w/Turbo V6 swap

 

My friend and I went at it the other night as well. He has a 00 GTP 4dr and he got me out of the hole( I had some wheel hop) and I was able to get within a 1/2 car during the sweet spot but then when the tranny upshifted I would drop back to a full car length then back to a 1/2 car length in the sweet spot. This was from 0-80 when he lifted. I have 100+ lbs of stereo goodies on board and I want a rematch. He has a cat-back sys and stock stereo. I have a injen cai & a muffler. Definitly a driver's race.

Dave
02 Maxima SE
85 El Camino w/Turbo V6 swap

 

Sorry for the double post. The server was mega s l o w.


Dave
02 Maxima SE
85 El Camino w/Turbo V6