Midnight Mayhem results
06-13-2009, 03:21 PM
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Midnight Mayhem results
Took it out to the Wicked HP E.T. Bracket Series last night. Most of them V8s, so the chance of victory for me was slim to none as I run mine N/A. Anyway 1st two runs were in the 16s. 1st run agains a LT1 camaro and second against an older Chevy truck who pretty much smoked my ***.
However, while racing a Z33 during the third and final time, I managed to grab a 14.48 ET (car #199). Needless to say, the Z beat me to the finish line (but not by much).
Conditions were: altitude - 2200'
about 85 degrees
less than 20% relative humidity I'm sure
This was my second time at the track, therefore, I am still getting used to the process. I couldn't adjust to the grinding gears and ****ty clutch. Need HLSD tranny, new clutch and flywheel ASAP!!! Overall, I had a great time!! Will work on improving my R/T. Now I understand when people say that you will never be happy with their current quarter mile time. The need to go faster awaits me.
However, while racing a Z33 during the third and final time, I managed to grab a 14.48 ET (car #199). Needless to say, the Z beat me to the finish line (but not by much).
Conditions were: altitude - 2200'
about 85 degrees
less than 20% relative humidity I'm sure
This was my second time at the track, therefore, I am still getting used to the process. I couldn't adjust to the grinding gears and ****ty clutch. Need HLSD tranny, new clutch and flywheel ASAP!!! Overall, I had a great time!! Will work on improving my R/T. Now I understand when people say that you will never be happy with their current quarter mile time. The need to go faster awaits me.
06-13-2009, 07:05 PM
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your 60' was 1.027?!? Uhhh something is wrong here. Did you stage with your back wheels? Even still that would be a impossible 60' with your car..
The DA explains the sluggish times..converted I bet they are pretty good.
EDIT: Your 60' and R/T got switched on your slip I almost guarentee..2.27 60' you need some more practice not just LSD/tires..
The DA explains the sluggish times..converted I bet they are pretty good.
EDIT: Your 60' and R/T got switched on your slip I almost guarentee..2.27 60' you need some more practice not just LSD/tires..
06-13-2009, 07:49 PM
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your 60' was 1.027?!? Uhhh something is wrong here. Did you stage with your back wheels? Even still that would be a impossible 60' with your car..
The DA explains the sluggish times..converted I bet they are pretty good.
EDIT: Your 60' and R/T got switched on your slip I almost guarentee..2.27 60' you need some more practice not just LSD/tires..
The DA explains the sluggish times..converted I bet they are pretty good.
EDIT: Your 60' and R/T got switched on your slip I almost guarentee..2.27 60' you need some more practice not just LSD/tires..
I only mentioned clutch and tranny as I experienced grinding, especially going into 3rd.
06-13-2009, 07:56 PM
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idk, things just dont add up to me, but then again it is bracket racing and i may not understand it fully. so be patient with me. obviously u werent on the brakes, but u trapped 90? or is that what cars do at your elevation/location. the other car trapped 92, so he couldve been on the brakes but not really cuz u were with him or beating him the whole time according to the slip so why would he do that. then he runs a 13.2, or is that a 15.2? but u said he won, and the slip says he won by almost a second. im so confused. lol
06-13-2009, 08:03 PM
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idk, things just dont add up to me, but then again it is bracket racing and i may not understand it fully. so be patient with me. obviously u werent on the brakes, but u trapped 90? or is that what cars do at your elevation/location. the other car trapped 92, so he couldve been on the brakes but not really cuz u were with him or beating him the whole time according to the slip so why would he do that. then he runs a 13.2, or is that a 15.2? but u said he won, and the slip says he won by almost a second. im so confused. lol
Could the numbers be way off
06-13-2009, 08:13 PM
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yeah, imma go out on a limb (and be a jerk, sorry) and say you ran somewhere around a 15.6 instead. the one thing that is accurate no matter what is the winning margin, which is .945. so you flip your r/t and your 60 ft, which makes sense, and you add that difference of 1.2 to all of your numbers. u end up with a 15.6ish. All of your numbers then make sense compared to your opponent, and the r/t difference of .5 plus the e.t. difference of .4 equal the final margin of victory. thats what makes sense in my head anyways....
06-13-2009, 08:20 PM
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Ok it is like this..
He can run a slower quarter mile time because he left before you did (thus the lower R/T). If you run a 14.5 with a 1.0 R/T that means he could run a 15.0 with a .500 R/T and effectively cross the line at the same time that you did. Because your R/T does not affect your 1/4 mile time you can still be beaten to the line by a slower 1/4 mile time. Also if you are bracket racing he is going to beat you to the line if he runs closer to his dial-in than you do, this is the only time your R/T means anything really..
He can run a slower quarter mile time because he left before you did (thus the lower R/T). If you run a 14.5 with a 1.0 R/T that means he could run a 15.0 with a .500 R/T and effectively cross the line at the same time that you did. Because your R/T does not affect your 1/4 mile time you can still be beaten to the line by a slower 1/4 mile time. Also if you are bracket racing he is going to beat you to the line if he runs closer to his dial-in than you do, this is the only time your R/T means anything really..
06-13-2009, 08:21 PM
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yeah, imma go out on a limb (and be a jerk, sorry) and say you ran somewhere around a 15.6 instead. the one thing that is accurate no matter what is the winning margin, which is .945. so you flip your r/t and your 60 ft, which makes sense, and you add that difference of 1.2 to all of your numbers. u end up with a 15.6ish. All of your numbers then make sense compared to your opponent, and the r/t difference of .5 plus the e.t. difference of .4 equal the final margin of victory. thats what makes sense in my head anyways....
Will have to go out there again in two weeks and set things straight.....
06-13-2009, 08:21 PM
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yeah, imma go out on a limb (and be a jerk, sorry) and say you ran somewhere around a 15.6 instead. the one thing that is accurate no matter what is the winning margin, which is .945. so you flip your r/t and your 60 ft, which makes sense, and you add that difference of 1.2 to all of your numbers. u end up with a 15.6ish. All of your numbers then make sense compared to your opponent, and the r/t difference of .5 plus the e.t. difference of .4 equal the final margin of victory. thats what makes sense in my head anyways....
06-13-2009, 08:24 PM
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oh snap....thats right, i forgot one car leaves ahead of the other...my theory made perfect sense but only if you both left at the same time. thats weird tho how that worked. nevermind my thinking
06-13-2009, 08:27 PM
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Ok it is like this..
He can run a slower quarter mile time because he left before you did (thus the lower R/T). If you run a 14.5 with a 1.0 R/T that means he could run a 15.0 with a .500 R/T and effectively cross the line at the same time that you did. Because your R/T does not affect your 1/4 mile time you can still be beaten to the line by a slower 1/4 mile time. Also if you are bracket racing he is going to beat you to the line if he runs closer to his dial-in than you do, this is the only time your R/T means anything really..
He can run a slower quarter mile time because he left before you did (thus the lower R/T). If you run a 14.5 with a 1.0 R/T that means he could run a 15.0 with a .500 R/T and effectively cross the line at the same time that you did. Because your R/T does not affect your 1/4 mile time you can still be beaten to the line by a slower 1/4 mile time. Also if you are bracket racing he is going to beat you to the line if he runs closer to his dial-in than you do, this is the only time your R/T means anything really..
06-13-2009, 08:33 PM
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my bad OP, it slipped my mind that one car leaves first. I was here doing all kinds of math, and it all came out almost perfect...which is crazy. sorry for trying to burst your bubble.
It wasn't like the best time anyway... I just felt good about it as it was my 2nd time out there.
06-14-2009, 07:31 AM
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So the question is...........what did you dial in at?
BTW if your bracket racing it wouldn't matter if all the cars there were V8s. When I left the Bandimere Tuner Mayhem there as a Corolla running 18seconds that was deep into the brackets. She made it to at least round 5. I was knocked out in the 2nd round because I ran faster than my dail in time.
BTW if your bracket racing it wouldn't matter if all the cars there were V8s. When I left the Bandimere Tuner Mayhem there as a Corolla running 18seconds that was deep into the brackets. She made it to at least round 5. I was knocked out in the 2nd round because I ran faster than my dail in time.
06-14-2009, 10:01 AM
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Is that 70mph to 90mph or 71 to 90. I cannot see it clearly. Either way that isn't really a slow down. 19-20mph is still probably foot to the floor.
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06-14-2009, 01:08 PM
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The whole time slip is off, I would throw this one out and look at all the other ones you got.. b/c from the sounds of it this one magical run was 1.5 seconds faster than all your other ones? Also, 9.0 1/8th mile at 73mph does not compute unless you were on some crazy slicks.. I've run 9.0 1/8ths in the past with a 2.1X 60ft they require about a 80mph trap.. just trying to give my honest input on this. The altitude/weather and this particular timeslip don't even come close to adding up.. Take her back to the track and get some more runs in to get a better idea of what she's capable of.
06-14-2009, 08:12 PM
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The whole time slip is off, I would throw this one out and look at all the other ones you got.. b/c from the sounds of it this one magical run was 1.5 seconds faster than all your other ones? Also, 9.0 1/8th mile at 73mph does not compute unless you were on some crazy slicks.. I've run 9.0 1/8ths in the past with a 2.1X 60ft they require about a 80mph trap.. just trying to give my honest input on this. The altitude/weather and this particular timeslip don't even come close to adding up.. Take her back to the track and get some more runs in to get a better idea of what she's capable of.
06-14-2009, 09:35 PM
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First off before I post anything I want to make sure I am reading this correctly:
You 350z
R/T: 1.027 .530
60': 2.27? 2.337
330': 5.552 6.532
1/8: 9.033 9.957
MPH: 71.13 72.38
1000': 11.981 12.836
1/4: 14.480 15.283
MPH: 90.41 92.13
Is this correct???
You 350z
R/T: 1.027 .530
60': 2.27? 2.337
330': 5.552 6.532
1/8: 9.033 9.957
MPH: 71.13 72.38
1000': 11.981 12.836
1/4: 14.480 15.283
MPH: 90.41 92.13
Is this correct???
06-15-2009, 12:00 PM
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06-15-2009, 07:03 PM
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Not too far off from you 
j/k man...
But ok, here are my thoughts on the whole thing. With your DA being so high I can understand the trap speeds being low, however what I don't understand is how your times are corresponding to your MPH...my car has went 14.1 @ 99.71mph in the 1/4...so how you are going 14.4 @ 90 is beyond me...I think that you are in the right lane and that is a race car in the left lane that has let off and got back on then let off got back on then let off. I think the right lane (you) went 15.2 at 92mph...which with your DA being so high would make perfect since. Now this is all just speculation but this is what I believe and that theory would make perfect sense of this whole confusing deal...also could you please post a non-fuzzy pic of the slip??? Because then that way I could be proved wrong and tell you my other theory I have.
j/k man...But ok, here are my thoughts on the whole thing. With your DA being so high I can understand the trap speeds being low, however what I don't understand is how your times are corresponding to your MPH...my car has went 14.1 @ 99.71mph in the 1/4...so how you are going 14.4 @ 90 is beyond me...I think that you are in the right lane and that is a race car in the left lane that has let off and got back on then let off got back on then let off. I think the right lane (you) went 15.2 at 92mph...which with your DA being so high would make perfect since. Now this is all just speculation but this is what I believe and that theory would make perfect sense of this whole confusing deal...also could you please post a non-fuzzy pic of the slip??? Because then that way I could be proved wrong and tell you my other theory I have.
06-15-2009, 07:27 PM
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Here is a run below from my se-r at HRP, my race weight was 2740lbs and the car made 137whp/126wtq. I ran on 14x6x20 MT slicks as well. For you to run a 2.2x 60' and a 5.5x 330' means your moving at 73-75mph, but your 1/8 trap is lower than that lol . IMHO it could've been timing error at the track, it doesn't happen often but it does. I have time slips of my se-r running 15.1-15.3s @82-84 mph when it runs 91-93mph normally.
1/4 mile 11-9-03 altitude density 81ft.
0.687
1.906
5.855
9.177 @ 74.09
12.082
14.571 @ 90.40
. IMHO it could've been timing error at the track, it doesn't happen often but it does. I have time slips of my se-r running 15.1-15.3s @82-84 mph when it runs 91-93mph normally. 1/4 mile 11-9-03 altitude density 81ft.
0.687
1.906
5.855
9.177 @ 74.09
12.082
14.571 @ 90.40
06-16-2009, 08:38 AM
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Not too far off from you j/k man...
But ok, here are my thoughts on the whole thing. With your DA being so high I can understand the trap speeds being low, however what I don't understand is how your times are corresponding to your MPH...my car has went 14.1 @ 99.71mph in the 1/4...so how you are going 14.4 @ 90 is beyond me...I think that you are in the right lane and that is a race car in the left lane that has let off and got back on then let off got back on then let off. I think the right lane (you) went 15.2 at 92mph...which with your DA being so high would make perfect since. Now this is all just speculation but this is what I believe and that theory would make perfect sense of this whole confusing deal...also could you please post a non-fuzzy pic of the slip??? Because then that way I could be proved wrong and tell you my other theory I have.
j/k man...But ok, here are my thoughts on the whole thing. With your DA being so high I can understand the trap speeds being low, however what I don't understand is how your times are corresponding to your MPH...my car has went 14.1 @ 99.71mph in the 1/4...so how you are going 14.4 @ 90 is beyond me...I think that you are in the right lane and that is a race car in the left lane that has let off and got back on then let off got back on then let off. I think the right lane (you) went 15.2 at 92mph...which with your DA being so high would make perfect since. Now this is all just speculation but this is what I believe and that theory would make perfect sense of this whole confusing deal...also could you please post a non-fuzzy pic of the slip??? Because then that way I could be proved wrong and tell you my other theory I have.
06-16-2009, 08:40 AM
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Here is a run below from my se-r at HRP, my race weight was 2740lbs and the car made 137whp/126wtq. I ran on 14x6x20 MT slicks as well. For you to run a 2.2x 60' and a 5.5x 330' means your moving at 73-75mph, but your 1/8 trap is lower than that lol . IMHO it could've been timing error at the track, it doesn't happen often but it does. I have time slips of my se-r running 15.1-15.3s @82-84 mph when it runs 91-93mph normally.
1/4 mile 11-9-03 altitude density 81ft.
0.687
1.906
5.855
9.177 @ 74.09
12.082
14.571 @ 90.40
. IMHO it could've been timing error at the track, it doesn't happen often but it does. I have time slips of my se-r running 15.1-15.3s @82-84 mph when it runs 91-93mph normally. 1/4 mile 11-9-03 altitude density 81ft.
0.687
1.906
5.855
9.177 @ 74.09
12.082
14.571 @ 90.40
06-16-2009, 01:12 PM
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That's a pretty good timeslip! I've done a LOT of bracket racing at The Strip at LVMS. I just broke out my old logbook to refresh my memories.
The track elevation is 2010' at the starting line. Air Density altitude for your run was around 4300 feet. If you come to NC with the air densities I can get in the Fall and Winter time, you'll be running 13.4s. So if you do nothing else to your car, but get to a sea level track in 50 degree weather, you'll be running mid 13s with the same 60 foot.
But, I noticed your 60 foot is incorrect. I've never had a bad timeslip out of my several hundred passes at this track over the years. But I have heard of it happening to others. Did you run any other mid 14 second passes that same evening?
Wait, now that I think of it. I have had one bad timeslip at LVMS before. I remember running a high 15 second 1/4 mile pass with a 105mph trap speed. I normally trapped high 80s. My ET was correct, but the trap speed wasn't.
The track elevation is 2010' at the starting line. Air Density altitude for your run was around 4300 feet. If you come to NC with the air densities I can get in the Fall and Winter time, you'll be running 13.4s. So if you do nothing else to your car, but get to a sea level track in 50 degree weather, you'll be running mid 13s with the same 60 foot.
But, I noticed your 60 foot is incorrect. I've never had a bad timeslip out of my several hundred passes at this track over the years. But I have heard of it happening to others. Did you run any other mid 14 second passes that same evening?
Wait, now that I think of it. I have had one bad timeslip at LVMS before. I remember running a high 15 second 1/4 mile pass with a 105mph trap speed. I normally trapped high 80s. My ET was correct, but the trap speed wasn't.
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06-16-2009, 01:37 PM
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That's a pretty good timeslip! I've done a LOT of bracket racing at The Strip at LVMS. I just broke out my old logbook to refresh my memories.
The track elevation is 2010' at the starting line. Air Density altitude for your run was around 4300 feet. If you come to NC with the air densities I can get in the Fall and Winter time, you'll be running 13.4s. So if you do nothing else to your car, but get to a sea level track in 50 degree weather, you'll be running mid 13s with the same 60 foot.
But, I noticed your 60 foot is incorrect. I've never had a bad timeslip out of my several hundred passes at this track over the years. But I have heard of it happening to others. Did you run any other mid 14 second passes that same evening?
Wait, now that I think of it. I have had one bad timeslip at LVMS before. I remember running a high 15 second 1/4 mile pass with a 105mph trap speed. I normally trapped high 80s. My ET was correct, but the trap speed wasn't.
The track elevation is 2010' at the starting line. Air Density altitude for your run was around 4300 feet. If you come to NC with the air densities I can get in the Fall and Winter time, you'll be running 13.4s. So if you do nothing else to your car, but get to a sea level track in 50 degree weather, you'll be running mid 13s with the same 60 foot.
But, I noticed your 60 foot is incorrect. I've never had a bad timeslip out of my several hundred passes at this track over the years. But I have heard of it happening to others. Did you run any other mid 14 second passes that same evening?
Wait, now that I think of it. I have had one bad timeslip at LVMS before. I remember running a high 15 second 1/4 mile pass with a 105mph trap speed. I normally trapped high 80s. My ET was correct, but the trap speed wasn't.