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Old Jan 19, 2003 | 10:23 PM
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1st NA 3rd gen to put down 200+hp???

206.8 hp - 190 tq on a 4th gear pull

184.8 hp - 183.1 tq on a 3rd gear pull


also dynoed with and without VTCs grounded and showed a lost of about 12hp (!!!) between 4500 to redline.

something that was also shocking was one guy (4th gen) i was with dynoed with and without the tornado... he gained an average of 1-2 hp throughout the rpm band and about 4-5 hp above 5500 rpm WITH the tornado. all he has is intake ("pop charger").
Old Jan 19, 2003 | 10:49 PM
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Re: 1st NA 3rd gen to put down 200+hp???

Originally posted by poorcollegeboy 206.8 hp - 225.8 tq on a 4th gear pull 184.8 hp - 183.1 tq on a 3rd gear pull
also dynoed with and without VTCs grounded and showed a lost of about 12hp (!!!) between 4500 to redline. something that was also shocking was one guy (4th gen) i was with dynoed with and without the tornado... he gained an average of 1-2 hp throughout the rpm band and about 4-5 hp above 5500 rpm WITH the tornado. all he has is intake ("pop charger").
That's badass, you must tell your secret
Old Jan 19, 2003 | 10:49 PM
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Nice Gains. Make sure to scan your dyno and post it in the Dyno forum.

Here is my Stock Dyno: http://www.dreamwater.org/auto/lordrandall/dyno.html

I did about 163 hp, 166 tq stock, in 3rd gear.
Old Jan 19, 2003 | 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by Lordrandall
Nice Gains. Make sure to scan your dyno and post it in the Dyno forum.

Here is my Stock Dyno: http://www.dreamwater.org/auto/lordrandall/dyno.html

I did about 163 hp, 166 tq stock, in 3rd gear.
I knew the VTC's had a big power loss, I can feel it...another plan for the end of the year, new VTC's.

Also, please post that up in the dyno discussion board for the record, any slip?

I need to get me a tornado hey, it adds as much as an intake or y to the wheels. any little bit helps!!!
Old Jan 19, 2003 | 11:30 PM
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Re: 1st NA 3rd gen to put down 200+hp???

Can you post what rpm the power and torque peaks occur at? Also get that sucka scanned or fax it to someone that has a scanner.

Originally posted by poorcollegeboy
206.8 hp - 225.8 tq on a 4th gear pull

184.8 hp - 183.1 tq on a 3rd gear pull


also dynoed with and without VTCs grounded and showed a lost of about 12hp (!!!) between 4500 to redline.

something that was also shocking was one guy (4th gen) i was with dynoed with and without the tornado... he gained an average of 1-2 hp throughout the rpm band and about 4-5 hp above 5500 rpm WITH the tornado. all he has is intake ("pop charger").
Old Jan 20, 2003 | 10:29 AM
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Re: 1st NA 3rd gen to put down 200+hp???

Originally posted by poorcollegeboy
206.8 hp - 225.8 tq on a 4th gear pull

184.8 hp - 183.1 tq on a 3rd gear pull


also dynoed with and without VTCs grounded and showed a lost of about 12hp (!!!) between 4500 to redline.

something that was also shocking was one guy (4th gen) i was with dynoed with and without the tornado... he gained an average of 1-2 hp throughout the rpm band and about 4-5 hp above 5500 rpm WITH the tornado. all he has is intake ("pop charger").

Is that with your Knock Sensor bypassed?????? Did you hear it Ping when it was on the dyno?

I have a damn automatic, and you cannot get good dyno results with it (running only with third gear and the O/D off).
Old Jan 20, 2003 | 10:34 AM
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I thought that dynos were supposed to be done in 3rd gear?
Old Jan 20, 2003 | 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by KLoWnPR109
I thought that dynos were supposed to be done in 3rd gear?
Nope, fourth gear gives the best ratio to get realistic power output.


BTW, my buddy just bowled a perfect 300 (his first). He averages in the mid 200's. Personally I Suuck (but don't play much).
Old Jan 20, 2003 | 11:02 AM
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Nice numbers poorcollegeboy, I need to do a couple of things to my car before putting it on the dyno and going to the track: warpspeed CAI, flywheel, ACT clutch and JWT ECU. Thank God my VTC's aren't knocking. All this should be done by June.
Old Jan 20, 2003 | 04:50 PM
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Wow, those are really impressive numbers. What kind of dyno was this done on? I am curious because when i dyno'd there was perhaps a 2-3 hp and tq difference between 3rd and 4th gears.

180hp/190tq in 3rd gear, and 178hp/188tq in 4th gear

Oh, and for the record, I also lost 12hp with the VTC's grounded.

Your motor must be in top shape, take it to the track at all?
Old Jan 20, 2003 | 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by eric93SE


Nope, fourth gear gives the best ratio to get realistic power output.


BTW, my buddy just bowled a perfect 300 (his first). He averages in the mid 200's. Personally I Suuck (but don't play much).
I thought that's pretty much a standard to dyno in 3rd...? Everything I've ever seen for just about any car is in 3rd gear. Hmm that's a weird (and huuuuge) discrepency (sp?) between collegeboys and Jonny's 4th gear pulls.

Poorcollegeboy...that's really some nice numbers though. That looks like VQ numbers with bolt-ons. Makes me wanna dyno my car now.
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I think squishy did 212hp
Old Jan 20, 2003 | 06:00 PM
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please help me w/ my ignorance...what's a VTC?
Old Jan 20, 2003 | 06:33 PM
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please help me w/ my ignorance...what's a VTC?
search is your friend... vtc are aka variable timing control.. basically it increases the timing as the rpms go higher. se ve have them but not the vg gxe
Old Jan 20, 2003 | 08:05 PM
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dyno was not done on a dyno jet. i cna't remeber the name of the dyno but the shop apparently specializes in measureing HP.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....5&pagenumber=1

ks was bypassed and no ping. i have it at stock timing (b/c of the jwt ecu) with 94 octane in the tank.

3rd gear pull - 184.8 HP @ ~5800 rpm, 183.1 tq @ ~4600 rpm

4th gear pull - ran through the gears up to 120 mph, 206.8 HP @ ~6300 rpm, 225.8 tq @ ~4600 rpm
Old Jan 20, 2003 | 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by poorcollegeboy
dyno was not done on a dyno jet. i cna't remeber the name of the dyno but the shop apparently specializes in measureing HP.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....5&pagenumber=1

ks was bypassed and no ping. i have it at stock timing (b/c of the jwt ecu) with 94 octane in the tank.

3rd gear pull - 184.8 HP @ ~5800 rpm, 183.1 tq @ ~4600 rpm

4th gear pull - ran through the gears up to 120 mph, 206.8 HP @ ~6300 rpm, 225.8 tq @ ~4600 rpm
Man, what do you have? that is some sick torque. Any slip scanned in yet?
Old Jan 20, 2003 | 08:46 PM
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4th gear isn't near a 1:1 ratio so the number isn't accurate, but still very impressive numbers!!
Old Jan 20, 2003 | 09:10 PM
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yep, i did 212 hp
ON NITROUS



now you may have 200+ fwhp, can you use it to beat the record?

i think you can

DO IT!

congrats man
Old Jan 21, 2003 | 09:56 AM
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no i can't

Originally posted by Bryan H
yep, i did 212 hp
ON NITROUS



now you may have 200+ fwhp, can you use it to beat the record?

i think you can

DO IT!

congrats man
brianh- was 212 hp a 3rd gear pull?

never been to the track but i'll hit the track when

1. its gets warmer
2. i get better tires
3. i get a new clutch. my clutch is starting to slip.

sux. just when my car is putting out these number i can't put it to the ground. i hate driving hard now b/c i can't i shift aggresively. you'll see it when i get a chance to scan my dynos.

my engine "drives" healthy however it is making some weird noises (not pinging). i think i've got somethine living in it.
Old Jan 21, 2003 | 10:52 AM
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this thread is worthless w/o pics

oh and don't get bent out of shape..i'm kidding.
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Originally posted by DanNY
this thread is worthless w/o pics

oh and don't get bent out of shape..i'm kidding.
Old Jan 21, 2003 | 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by poorcollegeboy
dyno was not done on a dyno jet. i cna't remeber the name of the dyno but the shop apparently specializes in measureing HP.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....5&pagenumber=1

ks was bypassed and no ping. i have it at stock timing (b/c of the jwt ecu) with 94 octane in the tank.

3rd gear pull - 184.8 HP @ ~5800 rpm, 183.1 tq @ ~4600 rpm

4th gear pull - ran through the gears up to 120 mph, 206.8 HP @ ~6300 rpm, 225.8 tq @ ~4600 rpm
Unfortunately, since the dyno wasn't the popular DynoJet dyno, it's not in any way comparable to any of the other dynojet runs here, unless you know specifically the differences between the dynos. If you can figure out what the differences are, the best you can do after that is extrapolate to convert your "brand X" dyno measurement to Dynojet.

Definitely try to figure out what type of dyno this was. I might be able to help
Old Jan 22, 2003 | 05:02 PM
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booyah

dyno was done on a clayton eddy current dynamometer.

top numbers left and right of the graph are max numbers.

3rd gear pull - 184.8 HP @ ~5800 rpm, 183.1 tq @ ~4600 rpm
http://members.aol.com/quocamolie/3rd_gear_pull.jpg

206.8 HP @ ~6300 rpm, ~190 tq @ ~5000 rpm
the dips (parabolas) and spikes are where my clutch was slipping. ignore them. after looking at the graph some more my torque is NOT 225.8 (my bad). it's around 190 ft*lbs.
http://members.aol.com/quocamolie/4th_gear_runout.jpg
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Re: booyah

That thing is weird.
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Originally posted by poorcollegeboy
dyno was done on a clayton eddy current dynamometer.

top numbers left and right of the graph are max numbers.

3rd gear pull - 184.8 HP @ ~5800 rpm, 183.1 tq @ ~4600 rpm
http://members.aol.com/quocamolie/3rd_gear_pull.jpg

206.8 HP @ ~6300 rpm, ~190 tq @ ~5000 rpm
the dips (parabolas) and spikes are where my clutch was slipping. ignore them. after looking at the graph some more my torque is NOT 225.8 (my bad). it's around 190 ft*lbs.
http://members.aol.com/quocamolie/4th_gear_runout.jpg
I think those big spikes are when he shifted, so that 4th gear run shows 2nd then third and then fourth gear. Normally (I think) he would not have started recording data until he hit fouth gear.
Old Jan 22, 2003 | 08:58 PM
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Re: Re: booyah

Originally posted by dmontzmax
That thing is weird.
the charts make perfect sense. there's a legend in the top right corner. x-axis is speed.

the most confusing thing at first is the backwards movement on all the curves. i have a slipping clutch so when i shift i lose a little speed as the clutch is trying to fully engage... hence the backwards movement in the x-direction. at every shift the rpm goes down for a bit, slips (rpm goes up as speed, hp, and torque goes down), then rpm goes all the way down when the clutch finally grabs (speed, hp, and torque picks up again).

the spikes in the torque curve (black line) and hp curve (blue line) occur around when the clutch stops slipping and finally grabs. i think this is due to the impulse (Impulse=Force/Time) created when the clutch grabs.
Old Jan 29, 2003 | 04:15 PM
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mine was in 4th gear.
i always dyno in 4th gear
why you may ask?

to keepthe ratio as close to 1:1 as possible
3rd gear will yield a higher hp number

when it was all said and done and the bottle was of the car i did somewhere around 187-190 with over 200 ftlbs

hehehehhe

torque!

never ran it at the track after that
Old Jan 29, 2003 | 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by Bryan H
mine was in 4th gear.
i always dyno in 4th gear
why you may ask?

to keepthe ratio as close to 1:1 as possible
3rd gear will yield a higher hp number

when it was all said and done and the bottle was of the car i did somewhere around 187-190 with over 200 ftlbs

hehehehhe

torque!

never ran it at the track after that
that's some sick torque... gonna open up my TB when it gets warmer to try to get some more torque...

i always assumed 3rd gear was the closest to 1 in the manual since so many people dyno in it.... here's a link to nissan car gear ratios.

VE 5-speeds (and also the 4th gens i think) has the RS5F50V tranny

http://www.vibratesoftware.com/html_...ons.htm#Maxima

my last dyno session was the first time i dynoed in 4th. gonna get a 4th gear pull soon on a dynojet to see the difference.
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Originally posted by poorcollegeboy
dyno was not done on a dyno jet. i cna't remeber the name of the dyno but the shop apparently specializes in measureing HP.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....5&pagenumber=1

ks was bypassed and no ping. i have it at stock timing (b/c of the jwt ecu) with 94 octane in the tank.

3rd gear pull - 184.8 HP @ ~5800 rpm, 183.1 tq @ ~4600 rpm

4th gear pull - ran through the gears up to 120 mph, 206.8 HP @ ~6300 rpm, 225.8 tq @ ~4600 rpm
what is the scoop with the tornado intake? I saw it one day and a kid I know put one into a 2000 acura said is car is much faster because of the design? I wasn't too impressed truethfully!! Let me know?
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Originally posted by jkmay01


what is the scoop with the tornado intake? I saw it one day and a kid I know put one into a 2000 acura said is car is much faster because of the design? I wasn't too impressed truethfully!! Let me know?
you will be killed an eatin now.
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Originally posted by Bryan H


you will be killed an eatin now.
And that comment was to mean what
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Originally posted by jkmay01


And that comment was to mean what
Easy translation: Tornado=crap
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Originally posted by Lordrandall


Easy translation: Tornado=crap

Oh Oh ok i got you!!! Will relay the info to the unlucky buyers!!!
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