I have a 1993 auto VE. It has just rolled 155,000 miles. Do you think that is too many miles for a nitrous kit?? It would be a dry kit and the options are like 40-75 shot. I think it would be fun for kicks. I wouldnt use it every day but just when i need to surprise people. so, is that too many miles or should i go for it. And if I do get it, what would be the best shot. I dont wanna mess with the injectors and fuel pump and stuff unless I have to. Anyways, lemme know what yall think. thanks

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Do not use nitro! It will destroy your engine. It's not a matter of if, just when the engine will destroy itself with nitro. Even if it was safe for the engine the factory drivetrain can't handle the kind of power it would produce safely.

 

yeah. listen to the king, dude. the advertisements all say "wow, kids! it's safe and dry!" but don't fall for that rhetoric. go all-motor. do it the right way. go all-motor or turbo. it is far costlier to destroy your entire engine than to truly "tune" the car. setting your car up for a future catastrophe is not "tuning" it. nitrous is a cheap and bogus shortcut anyway. but i am sure lots of people on these forums have done it. unless you plan to redo the internals, do not NOS.

otherwise, get an S13 or S14 and tune that. they're well-balanced, under-rated, awesome sports cars with loads of mods available. and your staying with nissan.

 

I love how people with no experience spout off on "how bad this is.." or how bad that is.." and about the re-doing the internals...um, do your research first, Jon610, THE MAX and a few others have proven the VG and VE stock motors to withstand 75+ shot...with proper fuel and ignition methods.

if you want opinions from people actually using nitrous or with a clue to what they are talking about, goto the Nitrous forum... http://forums.maxima.org/forumdisplay.php?forumid=55

 

thank you DA-MAX. yeah dont listen to those guys. you must tune for a n2o shot. its not something to just throw on and go. your best bet is the jwt system it is expensive and i dont know if they make it for the VE but it works like nothing else. i will agree with the part about the drivetrain. our drivetrains are not made for lots of hp. (the motor can handle more then you can imagine but not the tranny axles and linkage) (again i am speaking for the VG since it is an iron block) but the VE may be a different story. My suggestion to you buddy is weigh out what you are willing to pay for. Can you live without your car?? Do you have the money that it is going to take to tune it correctly?? Do VB mod will help tranny, new axles, and 1000 or so for n2o system. Or just say the hell with it and spray like its your girlfriends face!!!

 

If you have a system that is well monitored, nitrous can and is safe. If you just hook it up and start off spraying a 100 shot, then yeah, you will blow your motor. My advice? Listen to the people who actually HAVE nitrous, and dont worry about those who DONT have it.

I plan on just starting with like a 35 shot and then working my way up

 

Kingcarnage doesnt know EVERYTHING. N2O can be VERY fun and safe or it can destroy crap. It depends on how you treat your car. A 50 shot every once in a while wouldnt hurt. Maxima engines are VERY strong. I'm about to get a kit. But I'm gettin a WET kit,

 

stay away from wet. ever seen what a puddle of gas does when you put a match next to it?? but just my opinion.

 

yeah, the way it looks to me is the fuel would just puddle up in our funky manifold runners and the TB elbow. on the VG I don't think wet would be wise unless its a direct port(how to properly direct port the VGs manifold is beyond me ).

 

a question arises at this point: can nitrous oxide be used on the street, ie, on surface streets? are there systems out there that mimic a turbo effect? can the nitrous be calibrated to come on at low rpms and used up through the gears like in daily driving and not just doing a 1/4 mile at the track?

it is true that nitrous is safe if monitored and not overdone. or installed incorrectly. otherwise, a slight oversight can be horrible. it is a safe unsafe bolt-on.

 

for the VG, remove the upper intake manifold and mount all the parts in the lower manifold. there's not much room at all, but it's possible.
you could also just mount a couple nozzles on each side of the intake runners before they turn into the straight run into the three lower manifold holes.

 

-yes, people use nitrous everyday on the street
-nitorus and turbo have different purposes and effects so there is no way to compare
-nitrous can be activeted at any set RPM from 3000 to slightly under fuel cut

why are you trying to chage the subject now and compare nitrous to turbo? its plain stupid, everyone knows they are two very different modifications and have different pros and cons. my argument is that people like yourself say its so dangerous, but they have no clue as to what is so dnagerous because they have never wokred with it. this forum gets better and better everyday

 

DA-MAX,

i know turbo and nitrous are different. i am not that stupid. sometimes people use them in conjunction, as the nitrous can come on earlier to cut out the f/x of turbo lag. the turbo is always available whereas nitrous is not. but you already know that. i have driven an audi A4 quattro and a WRX. so i know what turbo feels like.

my fear with NOS, and ignorance, has been concerning running the fuel too lean and/or enabling detonation. we all know the consequences of this. it seems from browsing forums and reading ads, it is wise to stay away from the "wet" systems, as those seem far less forgiving. also, i have been afraid of overexerting the stock pistons, rings, cams, etc, the whole driveline with the sudden power surge of nitrous. you say the VG can take a 75+ shot. but for how long?

i am actually interested in boosting the car. hopefully, with some confidence, more knowledge from people like you, some extra cash to do it right, i will take the nestea plunge into boostville. it seems JWT has a pretty foolproof system available.

 

all I'm saying is people on here tend to jump to conclusions about things too much. they hear something is bad or come up with some strange theory and without any experience themselves or even knowledge of the topic state a claim. even worse is when someone without proof claims somthing is "so bad" yet it is widely used and many have come out with excellent results(such as usung nitrous). I understand you having a fear of it and saying what you said and I also respect valid factual opinions, but hypothetical heresay with no backing gets a from me!

 

well my VG has taken a much larger shot for around 30k now and only a few sets of spark plugs have taken a beating. The VG was the last real motor that Nissan ever made. The motor is built to handle more hp than anything else in your whole drivetrain. Dont worry bout the motor and worry about your tranny and linkage parts. Give the motor plenty of gas and you will have no problem.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DA-MAX
[B]all I'm saying is people on here tend to jump to conclusions about things too much. they hear something is bad or come up with some strange theory and without any experience themselves or even knowledge of the topic state a claim..."

i agree. i broke my own rule. i apologize for over-reacting out of fear. i was a *******.

 

the vg is also one of the slower motors that nissan ever made. i mean a stock vq35 6spd in a much heavier car can take your vg and nitrous powered maxima any day with a good driver. no offence it is a good motor but nissan has made motors that seem to be more well technologicly advanced but that can still take a big nitrous hit

 

Honestly, I would hope that Nissan has progressed enough in the past 14 years since my car has been built to be able to beat the VG motor

 

the VG has a solid bottom-end, agreed. can take much abuse. but at the top it runs out of breath. at least kept stock it is that way.

 

you need to do some research before you open your mouth. I am not going to say that the VG was the fastest motor ever built by nissan because it wasnt. But there was never a more all around motor built. You get HP, gas milage, long life, capable of turbo, again long life and enough low end to burn your tires to the rims. The VG is not known for its high and who gives a rats ***, how fast can you go in 1/4" mile? But with some proper mods the VG will keep up with many cars on the highway, i will not back down from many cars on the highway, our cars pull very well all the way to around 128-130. But with a little help mine can seem to get to around 145:-) The vq35 will be in its grave many days before the VG gets broken in. Wait about 6 or 7 more years and lets see how many of them guys get 200k out of there motors. But you see lots of VG's with that many miles. Hell i have 168k and push close to 300hp out of my VG. The VG was the last motor designed by nissan that will handle 500hp out of the gate. The VQ can only handle around 30 more hp (overstock) before you have to upgrade the injectors because they are maxed out. Not the same for the VG. And you send ALL stock vq35 6spd's my way, they scare me none. I have many Charlotte friends with 5th gens and they are great cars but you can ask them guys the 3rd gen VG was the last "well built maxima".

 

dont worry Klown they havent!!

 

Jon610,

i have the VG. and i like it. i, too, experience the hard pulling away from most cars. in some cases 3-series beemers. i have CAI and hi-flow everything. but i am always wanting for better top end. and there is no such thing as too much torque, as i could have more. so how the h*ll are you getting 300hp? what did you do? i am all ears.

 

i dont want to start anything because i know my na ve 5spd wont beat you. when it was running right i could nudge out my friends gtp gsx and my cousins clk430, so i would guess i ran high 14's but the vq35 6spds when driven well have run 14.3 and according to you your best is 14.4 so it would be an interesting race

 

GO FOR IT I HAVE A 93 SE VE30DE WITH 110K MILES I HAVE THE MULTY PORT WET SYSTEM ON MY, IT HITS HARD I HAVE THE 75 SHOT TO THIS DAY AND GOING ON MY 5TH FILL UP NO PROBLEMS, THANK GOD!!!!

 

is your max an se auto and have you taken it to the track and did you pull the intake manifold to install the jets underneath

 

i called JWT and they're sending me info on their dry system. for the 3rd gen they have a 65 shot. and that includes an ECU upgrade: one for non-nitrous driving and the other for nitrous in-use. they even hooked me up with an installer. i'm going to pay more, i know, but i want to do this right. i'm just gonna f***kn do it. boost is boost. if its laughing gas or more cubic inches who cares. you're going to go faster. i should probably seriously consider getting a front caliper and rotor upgrade.

 

MY SE IS 5SPD. WITH THE LIM.SLIP DIF. TRANS. THE RPM SHUTS UP SO FAST THAT THE GEAR OIL COMES UP THE VENT HOSE, THATS HOW I FU**UP MY FIRST TWO TRANS. IT WEN DRY AND I NEVER NOTICE UNTILL MY GEARS STARTED TO MAKE NOISE, AND YES THE INTAKE WERE REMOVE TO FIT THE 6 INJECTORS, BUT WITH THE WET SYSTEM YOU NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT RUNING DRY OR COMPUTER UP GRADES, WEN NOS HIT SO DOES THE X-TRA GAS INTO EACH CILINDER, I`M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOUR SYSTEM DOWN, POWER IS POWER WHO CARES HOW IT GETS THERE, IT JUST THAT THERE IS ALLWAYS THE POTENSIAL OF RUNNING LEAN ESPECIALLY AT TOP END, GOOD LUCK AND GET THE NOS, ON 3ERD GEN. POWER SUPLY IS VERY LIMITED

 

it takes alot of n2o and alot of ***** to trust in your car and the wrench time that you have put into it. dont be afraid of n2o just respect it. as for the jwt kit. it is the most simple thing you will ever install in your life and it is very much capable of more then a 65 shot with some extra help.

 

i personally love people who make comments about nitrous wh have no clue what so ever about it.

hell i had a 50 shot on my old Ve 92 5spd from 126k to 175k, and never had one problem out of it. well there was one back fire, but no damage occured.
i put a 75 shot on my VG powered pathfinder.

first off you MUST research everything about nitrous. me personally, im not going to sit here and teach you everything you need to know.
second, they have a forced induction section on this board. read it love it, molest it.

third, don't be affraid. remember with nitrous it takes a split second of being stupid to cost a lot of money. don't be stupid.

 

i'm going to do this right. and i'm not afraid anymore. i will even install the damn thing myself. i've changed brakes, rotors, bearings, water pumps, alternators, starter motors, soldered frayed wires, even changed a timing belt once. i once dismantled a 57 chevy. i am going to do the nitrous upgrade. i want beyond a 65 shot now.

 

you preach it brother

 

it's guys like you that blow engines up.... have fun. www.car-part.com when you need a new engine.

 

i got the book "supercharging, turbocharging, & nitrous oxide performance handbook" (earl davis and diane perkins-davis). i learned more the first couple of hours i read it than i have learned in ten years about such things. nobody's blowing nothing up. my fear is gone. i am getting knowledge.

 

ya better keep gettin it because people make mistakes no matter how "edemicated" you may be
and yes i spelled that wrong on purpose.

 

thank you for looking out for my safety. before i actually do the gas, i'm going to read up on it and learn the ropes. then the best education of all will come with personal experience. but i got to get into the book to get out of the book. and onto the street.

my initial fear was actually less about detonation and more about going so fast and becoming so addicted to the speed that i end up plowing into people at a crosswalk, slamming or flying into a median wall, killing or maiming everyone, or getting my license revoked. i mean, life is so unfair that general patton survived the entire WWII bloodbath and broke his neck in a jeep accident just after the war ended. he died in a european hospital; he didn't even get to go home to see his wife. i could install the N2O and use it perfectly and wisely for years, park my car, be on foot on my way to starbucks and have a driver plow into me at the crosswalk.

 

i love this guy!!!! bonzelite you are my hero

 

well, just initially set the fuel jet rich and you'll do ok.

as far as ***** out speed, not exactly. so no need to worry about small circus midgets stuck in your front bumper from runnin them over

 

I LOVE GUYS LIKE HIM FULL OF WORDS INTILL YOU SQUEEZE IT PAST THEM AT ABOUT 145 MPH, PLEASE PEOPLE IS NOT SAFE YOU WILL BLOW YOUR ENG. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Jon610, back at you, bro. i jus wanna git sum fun outta dis. and learn sumthin long the way. i've already started pricing cow-catchers and snow plows.

so, then, this book, "supercharging, turbocharging, & nitrous oxide" is totally chocked full to the hilt with understandable information. and full of fun math equations, graphs and tables and such (i dig the sh*t out that, btw). here is a pivotal quote from Perkins-Davis (pg 105):

"But nitrous oxide injection can pump a very large quantity of liquid fuel past the intake valves in a relatively short time. If the flow of nitrous trails off or the calibration is excessively rich, the fuel will not atomize properly. The cylinders literally fill with liquid fuel. When the quantity of liquid exceeds the minimum cylinder volume, the piston will not reach TDC on the compression stroke because liquid cannot be compressed. The momentum of the rotating assembly will then slam the piston into the solid barrier. The destruction that follows is similar to a chain reaction accident on a busy freeway.

Most catastrophic engine failures involving nitrous oxide injection are caused by an overrich fuel condition, while relatively few mishaps result from detonation. An experienced tuner will lean the fuel mixture to squeeze every BTU out of each drop of fuel while watching (and listening) for signs of detonation since optimum power will occur at or near the threshold. A novice or conservative operator will likely calibrate an overrich mixture to ensure the ratio is well within safe limits."

 

It's called a Venom kit. I like the idea alot..a progressive shot. Nitrous is OK if you are conservative with what you do. Keep it around a 50 for dry. Wet is always better. If you tap extra injectors into the manifold, there will be no problem. It can certainly be done. Our engines have proven reliable to 400HP roughly. A shot of juice won't break it..what damages engines like ours isn't the increased load but a lean condition resulting from the cold dense charge..fuel injectors can't keep up. This causes massive "knock" or detonation..uncontrolled combustion. This kills the rings and ringlands ususally, burns the valves and pistons etc. A little shot for fun will probably be fine. But I would go wet if you can devise a good system. People who need an easy fuel increase like the Saab cold start injectors...They are constant flow rather than pulsing. Easy and cheap as hell to do. I saw a writeup about how a guy did it on his turbo minivan when he turned up the boost. I could definately see that system working well for a cheap wet setup.