Has anyone thought about or ordered the Pace Setter headers on their site? They sell it for 320 and it seems likes it legit but I rarely hear good things about Pace Setter. Would any body ever get these headers because I'm seriously thinking about it and it comes with a 3 year warranty. Here's the link with all the info http://www.pacesetterexhaust.com/headers_detail.htm.

 

They look pretty. I saw an article where some guys made custom headers for a VE and it made little difference. I think they even lost their torque number all acroos the powerband if I'm not mistaken. Give it a go. Those manifolds look pretty restrictive, so it might open the top end a bit. Lord knows VG's need a little more up top!

 

be careful...sometimes Paesetter lists exhaust applications that aren't even released yet. I'll admit the design does look nice for a PS product

 

those look really good. what is really the low-down on that company? i have never bought anything from them. but most posts warn that they suck. they are a popular company, though.

 

ok guys i want to know if these headers are even worth getting. Does anyone on the forum have these or is it like no one has them and none of us want to be the first ones to try them out.

 

yes. if sumbody has them, let us know something. we're not going to flame you for it. we all want to know what the real deal is.

 

I am getting them, pre-ordered and all. they are coming out in about another week according to pacesetter. only I am not getting them from pacesetter directly, I am getting them from www.auto-exhaust.com for $230.

I have a VG and I really hope these work out.

 

WOW. Ther is a big price differnce betweened the armored ones and the black one. Does it really matter what finish you get them in? It says that the armored ones won't rust or anything, but it doesn't say anything like that for the black ones.

 

the black ones are painted and the armor coated oned are ceramic coated so they won't discolor or rust. at www.auto-exhaust.com they are only 320 or something like that for the armor coated ones.

 

hehe, here's the link:

http://store.ineedparts.com/store/co...dProduct=15824

yay

 

i wonder if they will work with an aftermarket y pipe like the warpspeed one because from the looks of it the y pipe doesnt have a flex section. i would try buy it but im not sure if there will be much of a gain/ use for them if i already have the y-pipe. i duno what u think? if you do get it let me know how the performance is (butt dyno) or dyno if you get one. 320 seems like an ok price just not sure if it worth it.

 

it uses a flanged joint, same principal as a flex section and some people say its better cuz you can't rip it by bottoming out.

 

i ordered them as well with the armor coating. 320

 

From what I know about the Pacesetter headers from when I owned my Neon, the Neon community mostly put them down because they rusted very quickly. I suggest that if you get them, you either order them with a coating or have a shop coat them for you. You'll thank yourself later.

 

alright, thanks for the heads up.

 

What Im wondering is this - Say they do rust after a year or so. Shouldn't you be able to send them back to Pace Setter because of the 3 year warranty? Oh and if someone has these headers can they tell me how they perform because I think I'm going to order the black finish headers but I'm a bit iffy on it.

 

Sure you should be able to send them back, but the question is do you really want to take them off and send them back and wait for a replacement and then have the same thing happen again in another year?

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Get them coated from day one and you won't have to worry about sending them back.

 

I'm pretty sure the black finish will burn off after a few hours of driving...doubt theres a point in gettin them in black

 

before and after dynos please.

 

I need to find a place that's not too spendy and I'll do it, but it will be before (busted stud and gimpy manifolds) and after (headers and brand new 2 1/2" no cat). the numbers might be a bit skewed, but it will still be rough estimate of what they can do.

 

Where you got this rims for bro ...im loking them

http://maxima.cardomain.com/id/skyliner_92se

 

what will headers affect? the low-end or the top? or the mid? what will they cause you to lose if anything?

 

i tihnk the usual is loose a little lowend gain alittle top end

 

i don't care that much about top end. i like to zip in and out of traffic. low end.

 

all that is is RPMs. when I zip in and out of traffic I am around 4000 to get the zip really going anyway, I don't know how you do it...

 

Do you think if we get enough people together we could possibly get a group deal on the ceramic coated headers ? Maybe if we get like 6-10 people because I already see a few interested (besides myself of course). They seem like they could help a lil and my VG needs all the help it can get right about now.

 

yes you are correct. i have the fidanza aluminum flywheel for the VG. revs high very quickly and instantly. and i have CAI, and hi-flow everything exhaust, from y-pipe to muffler. zip is very in your face.

i know headers would not necessarily hurt. but i fear too much low-end being sacrificed. maybe the headers would actually be a wet dream. i am very curious.

 

i would be interested in getting ceramic coated instead of normal ones if we can get a group discount

 

I think if we can get a ceramic coated header GD going then we'll have something.....the ceramic ones for under 3 wouldnt be too bad at all

 

Headers for the VG are only worth it if the price is right. Trust me, unless you can source them for Y-Pipe comparable prices your really not going to be able to feel where the extra cash has gone. IMHO its money better spent on suspension or brakes.

 

These headers have just recently become available, so probably no buyer has had them on a dyno yet. If it were me, I'd ask Pacesetter if THEY have tested them before I bought them. V8 Carbureted cars need substantialy bigger jets after a header installation - A/F ratio is way too lean due to the greatly increased flow. I wonder if the stock Maxima ECU can adjust enought for this along with a low restriction intake like CAI?

I've been considering these myself, but am leaning towards a WSP y-pipe and catback. Headers are LOUD, and the worst is noise coming through the firewall and bottom of the car, not the exhaust pipe.

Headers that work well are not just a low restriction exhaust, and require a lot of design expertise. The length of each tube is 'tuned' to pull fuel/air mixture into cylinders on the intake stroke using suction generated by the exhaust gas pulse from cylinders in the exhaust stroke. Tubing size and collector design determine whether you get good low end torque, high end hp, or some balance. Good headers usually have a long collector, and that's where the tube ends are staggered to help accomplish this 'scavenging' effect. I don't see evidence of this in the very short collectors shown in Pacesetter's generic V6 picture.

I've been considering these myself, but am leaning towards a WSP y-pipe and catback. Headers are Loud, and the worst is noise coming through the firewall and bottom of the car, not the exhaust pipe.

 

The Pacesetter header tubes are carbon steel - marginal for the 1500 F or higher temps they are going to see. From [long] past V8 muscle /street car experience, I can tell you carbon steel tubing headers w/baked epoxy coatings are only good for about 2-3 years tops before they corrode out, and that's in southern climates where winter road chemicals are not a concern. Headers using 304SS or 316SS tubes are the only thing I've seen last a long time: Three friends of mine found this out the hard way.

You definately want the ArmorCoat if you want 'em to last, but that won't help any corrosion that is happening on the inside of the tubes. The three sets I've seen fail, it was not obvious whether it came from inside or outside corrosion. From professional heat exchanger & boiler design experience, I suspect corrosion comes from breakdown of the crystaline steel structure from the high temperatures and thermal cycling.