What is top end for a 3'rd gen max?
12-06-2003, 06:27 PM
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What is top end for a 3'rd gen max?
My 94 gxe is slow and has an automatic trans. I like the car, but I just don't see it as a sports car. I was wondering what top end potential there is for a car like mine. I think matt93se is probably closest to maxing out his max, but I want to hear from everyone who modds.
I know my car has the same block as a 300zx but changing it to turbo is an enormous project, and the handling can be made quite good with aftermarket parts, but I am still unsure about acceleration. What is the best 0-60 from a modded 3'rd gen? If it can't get below 5 sec. then I am not going to bother.
I am asking because I need to decide if I should work with my car, or save up and buy a corvette c5 (about $18,000 now).
I know my car has the same block as a 300zx but changing it to turbo is an enormous project, and the handling can be made quite good with aftermarket parts, but I am still unsure about acceleration. What is the best 0-60 from a modded 3'rd gen? If it can't get below 5 sec. then I am not going to bother.
I am asking because I need to decide if I should work with my car, or save up and buy a corvette c5 (about $18,000 now).
12-06-2003, 06:46 PM
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a vette and a maxima are two different worlds. youve got a sports car and youve got a 4 door trying to be one. Can this car go fast ? ill answer you yes. after all my mods it feels like it has some *****. however it cannot, i repeat cannot touch my 89 trans-am GTA (modded) that is a real sports car and handles like its on rails, same as the vette. so all in all do i think the maxima can be fast ? well heck yea thats why i have one. however mines the VE with the 5spd not the autotrajic. I chose wisely in my maxima pickins. y the way the maxima you have has the VG30E motor the 300zx had the VG30DE and the VG30DETT motor.
12-06-2003, 06:53 PM
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good advice there wireless. I am not a fan of fwd anyway, and I really want a vette. I guess my impatience just got the best of me.
And btw I did not pick out the car, my mom did. I wish she had bought a 94 chevy caprice instead of a 94 gxe max. Then I'd have something to work with.
And btw I did not pick out the car, my mom did. I wish she had bought a 94 chevy caprice instead of a 94 gxe max. Then I'd have something to work with.
12-06-2003, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by kingcarnage
good advice there wireless. I am not a fan of fwd anyway, and I really want a vette. I guess my impatience just got the best of me.
And btw I did not pick out the car, my mom did. I wish she had bought a 94 chevy caprice instead of a 94 gxe max. Then I'd have something to work with.
And btw I did not pick out the car, my mom did. I wish she had bought a 94 chevy caprice instead of a 94 gxe max. Then I'd have something to work with.
Yes I love my max
But if it wasn't for inclement weather I'd be running around in a RWD V-8 monster. (was going to build a 455 powered 87 caprice wagon)
But I need traction above all else.
So the max was a good compromise for me.
plus I couldn't beat the deal ($200)
12-06-2003, 06:59 PM
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my best stock 0-60 was 6.56 the best modded is 5.9 on a gtech i also have a VE 5spd which is way faster than your car stock for stock. your car has potetial but to get below 5's 0-60 you would deifinitly have to have a turbo and propboly not an auto
12-06-2003, 07:17 PM
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my 0-60 now is around 9 or 10 seconds on a good day.
It's just depressing.
It's just depressing.
12-06-2003, 07:28 PM
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Why are you trying to accelerate so fast? The max is not a race car, it's more of the daily driving reliable sedan to get you from point A to B. I think my 94 GXE has plenty of power for what I need and I live on Long Island where traffic and driving conditions can get pretty damn crazy!
12-06-2003, 07:46 PM
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Why? Are you trying to make it go faster or just trying to get more horsepower. Or isn't it the numbers so you can feel better about it. I don't take my car for granted. It's powerful engine around as it is and not to mention, it's the most reliable one.
12-06-2003, 08:35 PM
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it really depends on what you want. i love the maxima because its sporty, handles pretty well even stock, and has lots of space unlike most sports cars. if you are wanting it to be quick you would have to add quite a few mods to it. i'm not sure what my 0-60 time is with my new engine but its much better than it was and has tons of room for improvement.
the 84-89 300zx has the vg30e as well.
y the way the maxima you have has the VG30E motor the 300zx had the VG30DE and the VG30DETT motor.
12-06-2003, 08:54 PM
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not necessarily. i'm sure there are a bunch of 4 door vehicles out there that can out perform 2 door sports cars. and i bet there are a bunch of fwd vehicles that could do the same. it just depends on how you build the car.
12-06-2003, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mtcookson
not necessarily. i'm sure there are a bunch of 4 door vehicles out there that can out perform 2 door sports cars. and i bet there are a bunch of fwd vehicles that could do the same. it just depends on how you build the car.
12-06-2003, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by kingcarnage
I am asking because I need to decide if I should work with my car, or save up and buy a corvette c5 (about $18,000 now).
The 3rd Gen is a nice little four door that thinks it a more. It does a good impression of a "sporty car". But what it really is, is a great compromise. It's peppy, it will hold the road fairly well if you don't need to switch back to quickly. It'll hold 4 adults and luggage fairly comfortablly. It'll run quietly down the freeway at 90 mph while getting 400 miles/tank.
It's not a sports car, a dragster, or a sled. It's just a nice, useful, fun, compromise.
If you want a sports car, get a sports car. If you want a drag car, get a RWD V-8 Torque Monster. That's why I have three vehicles, so I can have the right tool for the job at hand. The Max gets driven the most these days.
12-06-2003, 10:51 PM
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I eventually want a new car anyway, but with a vette I'd be giving up a lot in the way of convinience. I would like to improve the handling and accelleration of my car, but I do not want to spend thousands of dollars on the max that I could be saving for something better.
Anyway my shocks are on the decline and will need to be replaced. I will be driving the max for at least another 2 years anyway while I save up money for whatever I wind up getting but since I'm gonna be using the car that long I may as well keep it in an enjoyable state. I am going to replace the speakers and head unit because they are all junk, and eventually I will need new shocks.
Would oem shocks be the best bet, or would aftermarket shocks make the car more fun to drive for close to the same price (within $150). I know oem is around 200 to 220 for all four (non self leveling) from the dealer But I have no idea what prices are like for aftermarket shocks. I DO NOT want to lower the car.
Anyway my shocks are on the decline and will need to be replaced. I will be driving the max for at least another 2 years anyway while I save up money for whatever I wind up getting but since I'm gonna be using the car that long I may as well keep it in an enjoyable state. I am going to replace the speakers and head unit because they are all junk, and eventually I will need new shocks.
Would oem shocks be the best bet, or would aftermarket shocks make the car more fun to drive for close to the same price (within $150). I know oem is around 200 to 220 for all four (non self leveling) from the dealer But I have no idea what prices are like for aftermarket shocks. I DO NOT want to lower the car.
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12-07-2003, 08:46 AM
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you guys want a cheap, reliable, and fast car (on a real track, f*** that 1/4 mile crap. drag racing is for people who can't concentrate for more than 15 seconds at a time and want to destroy their drivetrain in a matter of hours instead of years.)
then look at a Miata. All the tiny car and ***got jokes aside, you can build a car for $10k that will whoop the *** of ANY maxima, period...
do a bit of research on "spec miata" and you'll find TONS of mods out there for them, and lots of cheap used miatas. I've even seen one at the road course with a 3-rotor engine in it. SCARY fast. It was driving around porsche 911TTs and 930s all day long. Mazda did it right when the built that car. it's small, fast, cheap, and reliable... the amateur racing community has learned that and are driving away from everyone else out there.
then look at a Miata. All the tiny car and ***got jokes aside, you can build a car for $10k that will whoop the *** of ANY maxima, period...
do a bit of research on "spec miata" and you'll find TONS of mods out there for them, and lots of cheap used miatas. I've even seen one at the road course with a 3-rotor engine in it. SCARY fast. It was driving around porsche 911TTs and 930s all day long. Mazda did it right when the built that car. it's small, fast, cheap, and reliable... the amateur racing community has learned that and are driving away from everyone else out there.
12-07-2003, 11:21 AM
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Matt sorry to burst your bubble.
But if I wanted to autocross a car in the $10k range
I'd build a locost
can be built wickedly fast and they don't weigh sh|t
hence the reason why they now have their own classes at autox competitions
But if I wanted to autocross a car in the $10k range
I'd build a locost
can be built wickedly fast and they don't weigh sh|t
hence the reason why they now have their own classes at autox competitions
12-07-2003, 02:32 PM
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If I had 10k to spend on a race only car I would never even consider a miata. I would build a custom chassis with one seat and put a 1300 suziki hyabusa motorcycle engine in it. total vehicle weight would be about 300 to 400 lbs and power would be around 180hp.
A miata, come on. Tell me that was a joke. Those are worse than a spider, and I HATE the spider!
A miata, come on. Tell me that was a joke. Those are worse than a spider, and I HATE the spider!
12-07-2003, 02:47 PM
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http://www.westfield-sportscars.co.uk/megabusa.htm
or this
http://www.westfield-sportscars.co.uk/xtr2.htm
is what you are talikng about.
But your weight calcs are way off.
unless you plan on having a severly twisty frame or plan on using titanium for the chassis and carbon fiber for the body.
note weight of 410 kg race trim. not lbs kilograms
or this
http://www.westfield-sportscars.co.uk/xtr2.htm
is what you are talikng about.
But your weight calcs are way off.
unless you plan on having a severly twisty frame or plan on using titanium for the chassis and carbon fiber for the body.
note weight of 410 kg race trim. not lbs kilograms
12-07-2003, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kingcarnage
A miata, come on. Tell me that was a joke. Those are worse than a spider, and I HATE the spider!
12-07-2003, 04:43 PM
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alot of #1 auto crosser have miatas. reliabilty goes with a rotary though.good = 7000k rev. bad = 2 stroke oil on very gas up, new plugs every 1500 miles, and likely to have a blown water jacket if not careful; at high revs. drive it normal and the carbon build up will kill the engine and the o2 sensor causing the car to run very rich-like 7mpg which wil cause more build up:good reason to redline every gear because the engine will last longer.
12-07-2003, 08:10 PM
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Why not use a 240 sx instead of a miata. That would be my prefrence, then instead of a rotary engine swap you could do a skyline engine swap.
As for the bike engine car it would be custom built by me in a fashon similar to a f-sae car.
this is the one at my university:
http://www.me.memphis.edu/Orgs/stu/S...Team%20SAE.htm
and here is the main fsae page:
http://www.sae.org/students/formula.htm
These cars are limited to 610cc engines at most and they run restrictor plates. despite this their 0-60 time is usually around 3 seconds and their gear top out is around 130mph. With a hyabusa engine one of these fsae type cars would be faster than most professional race cars.
anyway this thread is really starting to get boring. . . sorry about that.
As for the bike engine car it would be custom built by me in a fashon similar to a f-sae car.
this is the one at my university:
http://www.me.memphis.edu/Orgs/stu/S...Team%20SAE.htm
and here is the main fsae page:
http://www.sae.org/students/formula.htm
These cars are limited to 610cc engines at most and they run restrictor plates. despite this their 0-60 time is usually around 3 seconds and their gear top out is around 130mph. With a hyabusa engine one of these fsae type cars would be faster than most professional race cars.
anyway this thread is really starting to get boring. . . sorry about that.
12-07-2003, 08:24 PM
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because the miata is more nimble, lighter, have better 50/50 dist. over 240 or 240 w/skyline's 6, beside the case turbo torque ain't that great for auto cross,=balance of grip,hp,tq,& twitchyness is key, just ask the #1 drifter of D1 in a corolla when he races down a mountain in a corolla when he started his career.
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12-08-2003, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt93SE
you guys want a cheap, reliable, and fast car (on a real track, f*** that 1/4 mile crap. drag racing is for people who can't concentrate for more than 15 seconds at a time and want to destroy their drivetrain in a matter of hours instead of years.)
then look at a Miata. All the tiny car and ***got jokes aside, you can build a car for $10k that will whoop the *** of ANY maxima, period...
do a bit of research on "spec miata" and you'll find TONS of mods out there for them, and lots of cheap used miatas. I've even seen one at the road course with a 3-rotor engine in it. SCARY fast. It was driving around porsche 911TTs and 930s all day long. Mazda did it right when the built that car. it's small, fast, cheap, and reliable... the amateur racing community has learned that and are driving away from everyone else out there.
then look at a Miata. All the tiny car and ***got jokes aside, you can build a car for $10k that will whoop the *** of ANY maxima, period...
do a bit of research on "spec miata" and you'll find TONS of mods out there for them, and lots of cheap used miatas. I've even seen one at the road course with a 3-rotor engine in it. SCARY fast. It was driving around porsche 911TTs and 930s all day long. Mazda did it right when the built that car. it's small, fast, cheap, and reliable... the amateur racing community has learned that and are driving away from everyone else out there.
12-08-2003, 10:14 PM
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Actually, you would put an SR20DET Silvia engine in a 240, not a skyline 6
12-08-2003, 10:24 PM
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I've seen people win at autoX events in Miatas with just suspension and tire upgrades. Those things are one of the best handling cars out there period. I've seem them with supercharged 5.0s in the front.
Oh yeah, my 3rd gen tops out at 140+.
Oh yeah, my 3rd gen tops out at 140+.
12-08-2003, 11:31 PM
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my 3rd gen tops out at 125mph. had her to 120mph (@4000rpm) on the 6th with no problems. and actually, the RB20DET,RB25DET, and RB26DETT will fit no problem. Go SR20DET if you dont have 5-7k to blow on a skyline front clip.
12-09-2003, 01:35 AM
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must... resist.... can't.. be.. a... post... *****... lol
actually, for the RB26 swap into a 240 it would cost nearly 5,000 or more just for the engine and drivetrain. the total price would be around 10,000-15,000 unless you did everything yourself.
actually, for the RB26 swap into a 240 it would cost nearly 5,000 or more just for the engine and drivetrain. the total price would be around 10,000-15,000 unless you did everything yourself.
12-09-2003, 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by mtcookson
must... resist.... can't.. be.. a... post... *****... lol
actually, for the RB26 swap into a 240 it would cost nearly 5,000 or more just for the engine and drivetrain. the total price would be around 10,000-15,000 unless you did everything yourself.
actually, for the RB26 swap into a 240 it would cost nearly 5,000 or more just for the engine and drivetrain. the total price would be around 10,000-15,000 unless you did everything yourself.
12-09-2003, 07:24 AM
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Take the Corvette n run
I had a 93 GXE Auto - loved the car but not exactly fast (i never really raced it anyway) I spent a lot of $$ modding it...and well, u live n learn.
Now, I have a 300zx convt 5speed... and even bone stock, car is kick ****!
Here is some advice:
Your car is OLD, dont put money into a car that is close to End of Life.
Your car is depreciating - losing value every day
Your car is SLOW (just being honest, no matter what you do to it, it will be slow... ok ok..well, unless u have a lot of $ to throw and get a turbo or nos etc...but in that case... if u got $, u can just buy the vette & save some headaches!)
Don't get me wrong, I love modding cars but.... gotta draw the line somehwere.
I had a 93 GXE Auto - loved the car but not exactly fast (i never really raced it anyway) I spent a lot of $$ modding it...and well, u live n learn.
Now, I have a 300zx convt 5speed... and even bone stock, car is kick ****!
Here is some advice:
Your car is OLD, dont put money into a car that is close to End of Life.
Your car is depreciating - losing value every day
Your car is SLOW (just being honest, no matter what you do to it, it will be slow... ok ok..well, unless u have a lot of $ to throw and get a turbo or nos etc...but in that case... if u got $, u can just buy the vette & save some headaches!)
Don't get me wrong, I love modding cars but.... gotta draw the line somehwere.
Originally Posted by kingcarnage
My 94 gxe is slow and has an automatic trans. I like the car, but I just don't see it as a sports car. I was wondering what top end potential there is for a car like mine. I think matt93se is probably closest to maxing out his max, but I want to hear from everyone who modds.
I know my car has the same block as a 300zx but changing it to turbo is an enormous project, and the handling can be made quite good with aftermarket parts, but I am still unsure about acceleration. What is the best 0-60 from a modded 3'rd gen? If it can't get below 5 sec. then I am not going to bother.
I am asking because I need to decide if I should work with my car, or save up and buy a corvette c5 (about $18,000 now).
I know my car has the same block as a 300zx but changing it to turbo is an enormous project, and the handling can be made quite good with aftermarket parts, but I am still unsure about acceleration. What is the best 0-60 from a modded 3'rd gen? If it can't get below 5 sec. then I am not going to bother.
I am asking because I need to decide if I should work with my car, or save up and buy a corvette c5 (about $18,000 now).
12-09-2003, 07:31 AM
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good luck with the Vette...yeah it'll be nice and fast...you'll be drviving REALLY fast on your way to the dealer for all the little probs here and there they are known for. nice cars but if you are looking for relaibility or aren't a serious DIYr with repairs look elsewhere IMO. but yeah get rid of the Max, it won't be fast w/o any FI
12-09-2003, 07:45 AM
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not to mention you will likly pay more for tires than what i paid for my last engine