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What does everyone think about nitrous, and what system do you recomend on a budget?

James92SE

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i dont really like nitrous. i always kind of thought of it as a form of cheating. ya know? i think nos has the fogger system for maxs. but i heard zex was good and supposedly safe. correct me if im wrong guys, i really dont study up on the happy gas.

LS1Fever

Its only cheating to those who dont have it on their own car. Its like saying well u have Drag Radials, "your cheating".

They only call it cheating because some Nitrous owners dont disclose that they are running the bottle, since it really cant be seen from the outside or if hidden well.

Now for a 3rd gen. maxima to spray, I wouldnt recommend more than a 50shot unless u go through JWT and get the progressive chip that controls the amount of spray this way u can spray a 100shot and doesnt "Shock" the drive-train.

chris92gxe

I think that NOS is the best mod for the money. I recently installed a NOS kit on my car. You can find them everywhere on the internet made for the max. The NOS system adds 80hp to a bone stock engine. You can definitely feel the difference. The kits run at around $550.The only thing is that unless you know how to install it people will charge you up to $400.I did my work myself.It's not hard at all it just takes a few good hours.When I decided on doing it at first I was worried about it messing up my engine.I talked to a few guys and they told me that it was perfectly safe to run it if all your mixtures are right.Their right.As soon as I get my forged pistons and rods I'm gonna try to run about a 200hp boost to try to eat up some camaro's and vettes. With tha system I got know I can keep up with them but I want to toast them.

James92SE

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how long does it take to run out? i mean like how many runs can you get out of it. how much does it cost to get filled?

chris92gxe

I think my nitrous tank probably lasts around 21/2 to 3 min. of wide open use. I usually only use it about 5 to 10 seconds a shot so it lasts pretty long. My tank is 10lbs. and its $35 to refill. Do the math and its 3.50 a lb. With the price of gas these days I think its a great deal. At first you might go throgh a few tanks fast because you'll be trigger happy at each light! That's how I was. I was definitely suprised how long each tank lasts. It's more than it sounds.Dont be afraid to hook it up, it really is the best thing going for the money. The Max's engine will have no problem handling it. It's the strongest V-6 ive ever known.

93max

ain'y anybody heard or used the venom nitrous(the one the u can program)?

James92SE

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is the NOS engaged at full throttle? or is there a trigger? cuz if i got it i would want it to automatically engage at full throttle. i wouldnt want to have to flip a switch. am i right that the ZEX engages at full throttle? and matt> if you do have to manually do it, when do you usually do it. seems to me that the max already has enough high end torque that it would only have to be done off the line. thats how i would do it, i need to be faster off the line. i can already take most cars 50-100. and how much faster off the line is it. can you smoke em really good? he he

chris92gxe

Never heard of it. The kit NOS offers I think is the one to get. Unless you plan on modifing your engine, the fogger kit is the way to go for the max. Theres a number of things that you can adjust when you hook up the kit for your preference anyway. Its easy to customize your shot size.

James92SE

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ive heard of venom. i heard it wasnt very good, but i hear a lot of things so i could be wrong. NOS ZEX and Cheetah (i think thats what its called) are supposed to be good from what i hear.

chris92gxe

On the NOS kit there is a sensor on the throttle body that engages the nitrous. There is also a switch that you mount in the inside of the car.The switch on the inside of the car contolls everything. The sensor on the throttle body makes sure you dont shoot any nitrous unless your at full throttle.Nitrous doesn't come out as soon as you flick the switch by your shifter. In order for the nitrous to be fed you have to have the interior switch on and the gas pedal to the floor.So if you want you can always leave the switch on and whenever you mash down on the pedal the nitrous will engage, and the second you drop down off of full throttle it will disengage.This setup is very safe, and easy to use.

ngthing

My uncle ran a NOS system in his 93 Mustang, it ran about 11 seconds on the 1/4 mile. The NOS isn't worth it, at 35$ a bottle, it adds up fast...spend your money on something else, like a supercharger. Without the NOS the mustang runs 10 seconds.

Also, the NOS may work fine with your engine, but you sure all hell should expect your tranny to go, or something else to give. A car is meant for transporataion, and ANY added wear and tear will not be nice for the rest of the cars parts . those are just my two cents.

Maximamike

Ok, if your Uncle's Mustang runs slower with NOS..

Either:
A: Someone filled up his tank with C02 instead of N20.

or

B: He has traction problems.

or

C: He has it plumbed into the passenger compartment so he is all ****ed up while driving

James92SE

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yeah i dont understand. 11 seconds with nitrous, 10 seconds without nitrous. maybe it was a typo.

ngthing

it wasn't a typo, I forgot to mention he's constantaly adding mods to his car. A, he filled it with N20, and it was about $35.00 per tank, he had two. B: He only has tracing problems after he smokes his tires ;p. C: His passanger compartment consists of the driver/passanger seat, everything else is outta there

The NOS added speed, but his other mods are better. He doesn't have to wait for his tank to heat up..don't hvae to worry about running out, etc, etc

chris92gxe

Yeah his tank runs out so fast because he is probably running a 200 or 250 shot. If you only run a 50 shot it lasts about 5 times as long. If your running a 250 shot its strictly racing. Whats $35 bucks when you can take up to 2 seconds off your quarter mile time. To me if you want to race I'll take nitrous over a supercharger any day. Nitrous makes more torque and is about $2000 less. My main goal is to run a SC and NOS, but for now NOS is cheaper and adds more performance. What else could you want?

Maximamike

Oh, BTW. You do know that forged pistons and rods cost $1000 or so, right? Just a little warning for you if you ever want to "go big".

chris92gxe

Where did you get that quote for the forged pistons and rods. I've already looked around and I can get the pistons and rods and the labor for around $450. Some places might be different. To me thats a great deal considering the possibilities of what you can upgrade afterwards.

Maximamike

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This is by-far the cheapest I've found them. Even SGP Racing wants like $1300 or whatever for JE pistons. Where did you get a quote for that? We're talking forged aluminum here, right?

chris92gxe

Damn, that place is expensive. I got my price at auto shop in my area. The owner has a hook up with some performance Nissan dealer. He gave me that quote and it was with all of the work done. The only thing I had to do was tear down the engine and bring it to the shop. Oh yeah and this quote was for boring it 30 over with oversized pistons.After thinking it over I figured not to get it bored over because the thinner cylinder walls might crack.What do you think?

Maximamike

He is totally bull****ing you on that price. Hell, I couldn't even get those at the prices I get for parts(the parts that distributors get them for). I really doubt they could make and market a forged rod or piston set for that price even. They'd be making little to no money at all..

Maximamike

Oh, and Nissan engines are built on a "Maximum Displacement" theory. They are built to be efficient to that and that displacement only. Even going as far as overboring could ruin the structural integrity of the block. And at 20 psi, thats a baaaaaaaaaad thing..

Bret89SER

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400 sounds very fishy to me. You can't even get a decent port/polish head job for 400. MUCH LESS forged pistons and rods for that with labor? Try getting those parts for 400 alone anywhere (used ZTT rods/pistons only ones that might be that cheap) and doing the labor yourself...that is the only way it could at all be possible. BUT it sounds like you ate too much rice to me and now you are full of the old caca.

chris92gxe

When I said labor I meant the labor of boring the cylinder walls. The labor is less than $50 bucks. The labor doesn't really matter. He quoted me for $450 for thae pistons and rods. I dont know what quality they are but they are forged alluminum. They got to be better than stock.

Maximamike

What did he forged them with? A hammer in his basement or something?

chris92gxe

After seeing some of the prices you showed me I'm starting not to believe it myself.When he gave me the quote I was surprised they even made them for my car.Maybe he only gave me the quote on pistons.Hell if I know. He knows what I'm trying to do with my car so I think the quotes right.I guess I'll have to talk to him again to make sure. I think the prices you got still are really high.

Bucktown

dude, you guys are over using nitrous for street use. it's just a waste of money. you really shouldn't use nitrous on an engine that already has over 50k miles on it. po-po don't like happy gas either. using nitrous for racing every honda that is next to you just wears out your engine quicker. i would only use nitrous to drag. save all that money for the system plus all the refills and get a custom turbo fabricated. stay tru 2 da game

chris92gxe

The shot of nitrous I'm running isn't gonna hurt my engine. My engine has already been through so much I think its almost indestructable. I dont have much interest in a turbo. If I could get a supercharger made that would be another story.Either way in cost comparrison NOS is definitely worth it.In Maryland your allowed to have it as long as you have a sticker on your car that displays it. Theres no way theyed know I was using it anyway.I dont purge it or anything.

Bryan H

ok kids, the master of NOS is here. or so to speak

nitrous oxide used at the correct times can lead to more hp and better track times then a turbo or sc. BTW nos puts less strain on motor parts then a turbo or sc. its not always on, and not being messed with

and as far as a motor with over 50k miles going to explode with nos. i think not, you need to get your facts straight before making lude claims kiddo

my 92 se had 130k miles on and i put a 50 shot on it. the car never leaked, dripped nothing. as long as all teh gaskets are fine it doesn't matter how mailes are on the motor.
make sure you know the facts before you say them.

nitrous oxide is part oxygen and nitrous. more air added to system = more hp. the VE/VG/VQ motors can handle over a 75 shot on stock bottom end. the tranny how ever. not likely going to live very long.

you can slap a 75 shot on the max and be fine, just remember, you back fire, look out.

now seeing as how there is a lot of "newbies" here. im going let things slide on the maxima.

BTW i ran a 14.3@97.2 mph with a 2.0 60ft in my 92 se 5spd
with very few mods done. so i know the ins and outs of the maxima pretty well

bye bye kiddies

LS1Fever

Just like what Bryan said. But if u want ur tranny to survive especially an automatic tranny. I would recommend buying Jim Wolf's progressive ECU, this way u can run a 100 shot and the car will better off/last longer than running a 50shot w/o the progressive ECU.
As far as how long the bottle will last you is up to you. Ive had my NX kit for 7mos now and have only refilled the bottle twice. I only use it against 98+Vipers, any BPU++ Supra(450+RWHP, and I only flip the switch after 95mph), other NOS F-bodies or Cobras.

I wish I would have had it on my 91SE maxima. Id be honest I'd be racing alot of: 300ZTTs, LT1s(prolly would lose but fun!!) 5.0s, VR4s,R/T's,etc...

My whole NX kit cost me $495(NX kit) Window Switch($75) Fuel Pressure Switch($40) Colder Spark-plugs($10)
Two Bottle Refills($70) Remote Bottle Opener ($125)
Total $815

Again just like what Bryan said, safer on the motor cuz its not constantly running like a S/C or Turbo and gives more bottom-end torque than any other power adder!!

chris92gxe

Thanks for giving some people that advice.People still look at nitrous as cheating but it will kick the *** of anyone running a TC or SC for thousands less. I think the only way to realize it is to get it yourself.I see so many people talking about paying thousands of dollars to get TC and SC made for their car. For that type of money you could totally beef up your engine with pistons and rods and run like a 200 shot. I'll tell you guys the results when I get it done on mine. I can almost promise you runs in the 12's without SC or TC. After that the SC will come.





92GXE, touring wing, 18” racing wheels, Port&Polished intake, custom intake, custom yellow interior, racing seats, back seats taken out and replaced with subs and amps, NOS kit, Suspension tech. Lowering springs, custom grille, soon to be custom painted and have the whole engine rebuilt for big shot NOS and custom SC and tranny converted to 5-speed.

Bryan H

with a 50 shot on my old max i went 13.8@101 with a 2.1 60ft
now what the kicker is, the same setup in my celica i went 13.12@106 with a 1.92 60ft on drag radials. odd? weight difference

nitrous being cheating? NOT. anyone has access to it. its a mass produced item. not everyone can afford to go all motor nor tc/sc. i like nitrous. instant hp and torque. actually a lot more torque then hp

i dynoed at 216@7800 in hp and 200.9 ft lbs at 3400 rpms
guess who gets off the line a whole lot faster then normally.
BTW nitrous changes your hp and torque curves. not drastically. more or less smooths them out. i know it did on my celica.

anyone wana race?

Maximamike

Hey Chris, you do know your stock fuel system won't support a 200 shot, right?

chris92gxe

Of course I know I cant support a 200shot with the stock fuel system.I plan on upgrading it with a new fuel pump and everything else that is necessary. I was planning on getting a new fuel pump even for the 50 shot I'm running now.I figure its better to be safe, and I know that I'll use it in the future.




92GXE, touring wing, 18” racing wheels, Port&Polished intake, custom intake, custom yellow interior, racing seats, back seats taken out and replaced with subs and amps, NOS kit, Suspension tech. Lowering springs, custom grille, soon to be custom painted and have the whole engine rebuilt for big shot NOS and custom SC and tranny converted to 5-speed.

LS1Fever

Bryan H>
If I was stock it would be a good race w/you on the bottle.

Chris are you also going to get a FPR(Fuel Pressure Riser)?




Carlos
12.89@110 2.05 60'
12.1@121.6 2.0 60'

Bret89SER

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keep this in mind bud...His celica is what ? a 2 liter 4 cylinder? and you have a 5.7L V8...for the amount of power per liter...I bet his engine cranks out quite a bit more...on the bottle and off. Just my 2cents.
How is the Z28?

Laterz

Maximamike

Go ahead, build up your engine with rods and pistons and **** like that. Just see if I care when the 400 fulltime boosted hp Monzter Max comes hunting for ya. Mwahahaha..

chris92gxe

Im trying to get everything possible for it. I'm still not exactly sure everything that is available.Until I found this site I thought it was impossible to customize the max like I wanted.I'd appreciate if you guys could let me know some places where I could get some engine mods, and all of the things that are available including heads,cams,FPR,crankshaft,injectors ect.. thanks guys




92GXE, touring wing, 18” racing wheels, Port&Polished intake, custom intake, custom yellow interior, racing seats, back seats taken out and replaced with subs and amps, NOS kit, Suspension tech. Lowering springs, custom grille, soon to be custom painted and have the whole engine rebuilt for big shot NOS and custom SC and tranny converted to 5-speed.

LS1Fever

Yawn!! Dont bore me "bud" w/import specs. Been there done that

Trying to get more hp/liter

Maximamike

Still have those polished aluminum sill plates? Wanna sell them? That was a long time ago, eh bud? LOL