I've heard gas is going to be up around $3 a gallon for regular(Don't want to think what its going to be for super) this summer... Any one thinking of getting rid of(or at least parking) their maxima for a more fuel efficient car?

-I'm going to keep my 93 sentra around incase the max starts to cost too much to drive... This is my reasoning, the sentra gets ~400 miles on a tank of gas(~12gal) and my max gets ~300 to ~400, depending on how I drive, on a tank(~18.5gal). So, I would get the same milage from a tank but I would save like $18 at each fill up with the gas at $3... Then I can drop that extra $18 saved each time into modding my maxima...

 

Where did you hear that? That sounds way off. I can imagine 2, but 3 seems impossible.

 

Gas is already over $2 for super where I live and like $1.95-7 for midgrade, $1.91-3 for regular... It probably won't make it up to $3 but I was just wondering if anyone was thinking about what they would do if gas makes it up that high...

 

I was up late last night watchin an infomercial about this finned metal ring that goes in your intake called the Tornado fuel saver... it was like 70 bucks but was sposed to improve your gas mileage by 28% and give you like 5 xtra horse. With gas prices on the rise i was contemplating it... check it out
http://www.myauto.tv/tornado/?referal=79920995

 

I would prefer less SUV's on the road.

 

honestly, if I were to look into getting an econo-box its going to be a small displacement diesel. They get excellent mileage and the gas price is still pretty cheap (most places its the same as the 87octane).

 

I just filled up @ 2.31 for 89. Cheapest in the city @ Shell, and the news warn that by 4/1 the gas price will be close to, or even over $3.00.

 

Boy I'm glad I live in the mid-west, at $1.50-$1.75. I paid $2.00 a gallon once but that was outside of Chicago

 

hahaha my Maxima is our more fuel efficient car. When I went to MrGone's house a while back, I got 27 mpg. My SUV gets about 18 mpg, 20 if I go the speed limit (like that's ever going to happen).

Luckily, I only work 2 miles from my house and my wife works about 3 miles from our house. So, between us, it's a 10 mile commute round trip

It still sucks, though, because Super is $2.10 right now and I don't feel like taking out a loan to go drive anywhere. The closest big town is Portland, which is 80+ miles away, so we will try to consolidate our trips more than we used to.

Just feel fortunate we don't have the gas prices they have in Europe. They pay around double what we do with all their road taxes and stuff.

 

HI,

87 for my area is $2.19 for Mobil, 87 for 76 is $ 2.12-2.15

the price could go up to $3 during summer because of the peak period for cali,

FTC Investigating Cause Of Anomalies

the ftc is looking to the anomalies because of cali price hicked,

the gas price was well be the $2 mark,

california is the only state with the highest price out of the 50 states

if you don't believe me look at this and type in your miles and you will see,

http://www.nbc4.tv/automotive/2918732/detail.html#

 

I just filled up today and 93 octane ran me $1.67 here in Tulsa. I'm glad prices aren't that high here.

 

In response to bobbydigital450, I wouldn't mess with the "tornado". I read in consumer reports or some reputable magazine where they tested that thing on a suburban, a big motor, and it actually had WORSE gas mileage. If it was all that it is cracked up to be, wouldn't the government be using it in all of their vehicles? Or wouldn't you at least know one person who uses it with success? Most things that sound too good to be true, are too good to be true. Just a heads up for you, not trying to flame you or anything.

 

I'll sell some tornado fuel savers. $7shipped, it will be an aluminum can cut and bent into shape. You might even be lucky enough to get a coca-cola logo on it

 

HI,

i think rosamax is right,

i wouldn't be sure about the adds on tornado,

 

hahahaha....... and basically thats all it amounts to... a hooked up popcan. im not soo sure i'd buy anything that i seen on an infomercial at 3 in the morning specially when they have the one guaranteeing a bigger ***** by 25% in one week directly following. but anyhow was curious to see if anyone heard anything about it thanx for the info rosamax.

 

Man, I thought that Indiana had it rough. Premium around here is about $1.68

 

off topic but saw your new pic car looks sweet lowered nice job

 

my low grade her in fla is 1.68-1.75 in some places

 

1. when I looked on friday we were at 1.999 for premium.

2. The tornado can work but only in certain setups.

3. Consumer reports is full of crap they don't know squat about cars.

 

OUCH!!! don't hate, internetautomar. What setups will it work on? How much testing have you done compared to Consumer Reports, or where are you getting your info from? First thing I found on google was this: http://www.wcpo.com/external/dwym/208e9791.html
And then I went to find even more info and found this:
http://www.seenontv.com/prod-pages/t...fuelsaver.html
Guess up to 13 hp and 27% better mpg doesn't make much money. BTW:
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/...03/detail.html
These people said it produced "some" results, and they mentioned older cars will see a bigger difference. I think I would just put the money towards a CAI since I know lots of people who have had success and KNOW it is worth it. LOL internetautomar, BTW, is there any meets any time soon near Chicago? I'm in Elgin right off of I-90. PM or email me.

 

and i just sold my old little honda :-(

 

You know what I say about these high gas prices? It's time to start pumping from Alaska!

The gas prices we are seeing are because we have a bunch of environmentalist who will not compromise at anything and grid lock all attempts to improve the supply side of things. Sure their arguements are valid that we should be developing more fuel efficient cars but that's not going to solve all of our problems.

This country needs a energy policy that does not make us dependent on the OPEC guy's who are cutting supply even while supplies are tightening. They own us by the ***** and they know it, they are milking us for all we are worth.

I think the oil companies have some of their hand in this to. What do they say in the summer? "Demand is tight because of the summer driving season so prices are going up." What do they say in the winter? Demand is tight because of the winter heating oil consumption so prices are going up."

Each summer and each winter they give us this line but when is the last time you heard them say "gee it's the fall, go no where do nothing season so we have a huge surplus and prices are falling"

Bottom line, unless we get away from being dependent on foreign energy supplies we will soon be seeing prices just like Europe.

Don't get me wrong, I'm for preserving the environment just as much as the next guy. I love nature and the outdoors but I also think that we can develop energy supplies without having a huge impact on the environment if it is done right.

One last thing, in the last 10 years California has gonoe from 30 refineries to just 13 and soon to be 12 as another is shut down. These refineries are humming along at maximumk capacity and any little problem distrupts the supply and sends prices through the roof.

 

Well, appearantly my dad seen the same infomercial i did. Stopped by his house today and seen the tin can tornado fuel saver sittin there so i guess we'll see if this thing works. He has a 2002 F150 5.4 triton and ive never seen someone pay soo much attention to their gas mileage....maybe its because he has nothing else to do....but either way ill let you all know in about a week if it worked for him or not. Btw, i too would be down for a meet sometime, im just a few hours shy from the both of you.

 

Gas in philly ranges from $1.77 to $1.88 for 89. But right over the bridge in Jersey, gas is 1.65 for 89.

Makes me want a crotch rocket for the summer..

 

We should be pumping where ever we can... It's 2004 we should be able find a way to drill responsibly with little impact on the environment...
As Alaska we should start tapping ANWR... The oil companies dont even have to set foot into the Reserve, they have drills that can drill at an angle so they can set up the pumps out side of the reserve and pump from under the reserve with out disturbing the wilderness

 

Sounds like good advice from another '92 SE owner. I agree we can drill there without making much trouble. It would save us an awful lot of trouble and money from buying this foreign crap.

 

We still will have to buy foreign crap for a while since it takes like 2 years to get an oil rig operational (not sure if that includes time for drilling)

 

Adamis, you have some good points there, I agree with much of what you have to say. However, i think things are a little bit more complicated than just using more local oil supplies.

For one, probably half of the price which you pay at the pump is tax alone. You can make a case about how just this really is, dependant on how many revenue sources you think your local government should be aloud to tap, how much of that revenue goes into road maintainence etc. and all that jazz. But really, what it comes down to, is no matter what is going on with crude oil prices, due to all the different economic forces out there, half of that price is fixed. And what really ****es me off, I'm from Canada, and in my province of BC, $700 million is collected by the Federal Gov't in gas tax each year, $30 million of which is returned to our province. That makes a lot of sense doesn't it? Oh well, I guess we need some way to pay for Adrian Clarckson to fly around in the "private jet" as opposed to using normal transportation like the rest of us. I'm glad her spending is under investigation... My first fillup the other day, since getting my Maxima, cost me over $50 CDN so I hope that doesn't get much more.

One thing about Mid East crude oil, is that it's very cheap and easy to refine. Out of all the reserves in the world, it's probably in crude form, the closest thing to lubricating oil. Domestic supplies are more costly and time consuming, to refine to a similar level, so the oil companies like to get as much of the Mid East oil as they can. Therefore, one could make a point that more reliance on domestic oil supplies, would make oil more readily available, but that the refining process would be more costly, and some of those costs are going to end up in gasoline prices. I'm not really well versed in the closing of refineries in North America, however I would suspect some of it is due to foreign sources being more economical to refine. Keep in mind that a refinery is a very expensive operation to open in the first place, and then keep running. Most of the refineries were built years ago, and now require updating. When the local oil reserves are costly to refine, there's less desire to refine these sources locally and spend the extra costs of upgrading old refineries.

Another reason for refineries humming along at maximum capacity is simply demand. Energy use is as high as it's ever been. With computer use skyrocketing, more electricity is being used, which means more coal and gas being burned to keep these systems running. There are more cars on the road, which means more gas is being burned, which means increased demand over years prior. Therefore just the natural evolution of our society has helped to increase energy use, which has increased the demand on the refineries. This isn't to say that they aren't at lower capacity as they once were, but demand definitely plays into it.

I'm not really quite sure if gasoline prices are going to get as high as is being speculated. You have to remember, the prices being speculated are just that, speculation, and don't really reflect what the market will bring. There are also local differences which will play into the final number. So, basically, everyone doesn't have to be scared in paying the crazy prices, just some of you.

I'm all for high efficiency diesels. I wish there were more of them that were available to the North American market. Unfortunately, most of these engines are designed in Europe, and run on low sulfer diesel, which isn't available here. Our higher sulfer diesel buggers them up, and makes then run less efficiently. Currently, the only one really is the TDI Wolkswagen, which is a pretty decent engine as far as I know. Daimler-Chrysler is bringing out the European version of their 3.2L 6 cyl diesel, at least in Canada in the next year or so. The engine has more power than their current 3.2L 6 cyl gasoline engine. I'm not sure if it will be available in the US, because Canada is switching over to low sulfer diesel by 2005. I've also heard that the replacement for the Chrysler Intrepid (Dodge Intrepid for you Americans) and Chrysler Concord will be based on the previous E-class platform, similar to how they used the previous SLK platform to built the Chrysler Crossfire. It will be available with this 3.2L diesel as well.

 

For Us in California the taxes comes to roughly 45 cents a gallon which at the moment is about 25% The total cost of the gas.

I have also read that the crude in the Middle East is the good stuff. The point is though we shouldn't be held hostage by OPEC which is nothing but a cartel that is using price fixing to fatten their wallets.

Even if US crude is more exspensive to refine the lower cost per barrel by having a reliable supply that is not subject to the whims of a cartel should offset this cost.

I agree about the Diesel's. It's a shame the American only likes a Diesel in our trucks because it's some real good technology.

 

Canucks apparently are getting reamed by gas prices

too bad nissan doesnt bring any of their diesel stuff over. I'm not a big fan of VW stuff, and a the 5.9l cummins is alittle big (although I've thought about it, hehe. Then again I've also thought about a 340ci v8 Dakota, buwahahha).

anyway, atleast it looks like I'll be making money back from my Fidanza heheheheheh