hmmm. What differences have you guys noticed between running a pop charger and CAI?

I noticed that the CAI seems quieter idling and up to about 3500 or so? Once it his 4000 it gets really really loud, but then it kind of trickles away. It also seems alittle choppy at ~5000rpm+. Choppy compared to the pop charger, but it just seems to have more of a deep growl.

The Pop Charger seemed to get louder the higher up you went RPM wise, it had more of a smooth sound to it.

The only problem I have is I put 87 octane in my car the other day, so it feels really sluggish Kind of hard to get a good before/after. It seems like I lost highend, but that could just be from the noise decreasing with the CAI. It could also be the ECU pulling the timing on me and the car actually not pulling as hard.

I'm almost scared of the 4000ish RPM part (noise wise), lol. It's pretty dang loud, I was coming home last night and driving next to antonthegrey for abit on the highway and had it in 3rd and he said he could hear it (I was on the left, he was on the right if that matters) and said it was pretty loud.

The other thing is it seems to make my exhaust resonate more when I'm decelerating . Oh and thanks Jeffy for the help!

i never ran a pop, only CAI. car got louder, definitely but it was subtle. it growled at higher rpms especially. once the y-pipe went on, then it completely drowned out the CAI.

I ran both and the "pop" seemed to be louder than the CAI, IMO. My y-pipe isn't in yet, so I don't know how loud that's going to be, but I've noticed that the CAI isn't as loud as the "pop" was when "decelerating" (coasting to a stop). I like the sound but I'm wondering how noticeable it is to other people because I don't want a "loud" intake/exhaust setup, just more efficient...

@bonzelite...
Do you just have the y-pipe installed, or do you have a hi-flow cat & the whole catback system installed? Just curious to know how much of your exhaust is done and the sound you're getting from it. Also, since our cars are almost the same, did you purchase new exhaust gaskets, and if so, do you remember the parts numbers for them? I want to make sure I get some before I install my y-pipe...

peace2u

pit5bull, if you don't want loud then forget about the y-pipe idea. my magnaflow is loud, too, so that adds to overall noise level. some members only replace y-pipe, but it is still going to give you cabin noise. a 5th gen muffler is a good route to keep the rear-end quiet.

i do have a full exhaust replacement, btw, including gaskets. part #'s?-- i have no idea, they came with warpspeed's exhaust. are you wanting OEM gaskets, then?

I could not tell the difference between the noise of my stock y and cattman y. The rest of my exhaust is 100 percent original.

I did notice a difference in noise when I put on the pop charger. Oh, I put the y pipe on first, BTW (I was waiting for a MAF adapter).

Why would a y-pipe be louder? It doesn't have any kind of resonator in the stock one that the aftermarket doesn't have...maybe it just flows more exhaust through your loud muffler.

As for gaskets, when you put in the y-pipe (if it doesn't come with them) you can get them from the dealer or an autoparts store for under $10 total. I think I got mine from NAPA (front two o-rings and front cat gasket) for around $7-8. Jeff said that the dealer is cheaper than that.

@bonzelite...

Yeah. I thought that I needed to get the OEM gaskets, but since WSP included theirs in the box, I guess I don't need the OEM ones after all. I've already ordered and received my WSP y-pipe already, and my Carsound Hi-Flow Cat should be delivered today. I've heard that the MagnaFlow mufflers are loud, but somebody here mentioned that if you don't want it that loud, to make sure that you get a muffler with a large enough resonator on it. Don't really know if that's the correct information or not, (and honestly I'm not sure where the resonator on a muffler is located) but that's what I remember reading somewhere in one of the threads here.

I want the performance, to be sure, but I'm trying to avoid the ricey sound. A Mustang-like growl I can easily deal with, but if it's sounding like a Nova with glasspacks that's going to wake up my neigborhood in the morning when I crank it up... Mi nah wan dat Yankee noise, bredren...

Basically, if I have to constantly turn my stereo up because I can't stand to hear the exhaust, there's going to be a problem, yadig

BTW - I think I read it on DA'MAX's website, but I think he or somebody else mentioned that you won't really notice much difference between the stock b-pipe and an aftermarket b-pipe. What's been your experience with this issue?

Thanks for the advice, bro!

peace2u

red and pit, mind you, i replaced my entire system so i cannot speak to y-pipe-only replacement. if you replaced only the y-pipe and noticed little db difference, then you are the one to speak to that. maybe cattman differs from warpspeed. i went with warpspeed because it was cheaper at the time i made that choice. maybe it is the resonator that makes the noise.

i am just telling you guys that my exhaust system is loud. it is not rice whatsoever. it sounds deep and intimidating. and a lot of cabin noise is coming from the front of the car, not the muffler. and it is not the CAI, as i did that swap before the whole exhaust thing.

i do not have broken studs as i have replaced those. so what is it? it is LOUD. so i am assuming it is because the warpspeed y-pipe is not designed with sound-cancellation in mind. i think if i even went with a quiet muffler, the cabin noise would persist as the noise is up front and in the cabin.

i went with all-warpspeed everything and magaflow. if you want to hear your stereo, then do not do what i did. you'd go deaf.

Alright, I am sure this has been posted several times before or is in the FAQ, but I am going to be lazy here for a second .

I am curious in the actual difference in the CAI and the Pop Charger:

-Performance
-Price
-Installation
....etc.

I should know this by now, but this might be something I could look forward to installing on the max next .

dooood, pop is cheaper and "easier" all around but you get less gain. think of the pop as a snub-nosed hot-air intake. true CAI is remote from the engine's heat, often in the fender well.

How much of a difference doooood

and where to get it and an actual price range ?

$30ish vs $150ish or something
no cutting vs cutting

'kay. i ain't gonna fakeing no dyno numbers if you mean gains. but i wouldn't even bother getting the pop. i ain't never use one, but i din't want to anyway. i went rigth t to the CAI. i'm gonna go get some honduhs with that thing. i aint playin' around wit this. and headers come next. if you hav to make one if place racing is finished.

seriously, i think cattman still offers them. i just think he slaps his logo on the place racing CAI, but i hear place stopped running them. if you knat get CAI then make one up or surrender and get pop.

yeap. cattman has it for $215 black. still there. and pop is like $125. but now cattman is on the high side. you can get better price for pop than that. but i don't know about CAI. i just went right to him because i didn't want any bullsh!t, and i just wanted what i wanted.

I know a guy that just got his place racing CAI today (for a VE), so I know they still sell them. I don't know about VG, though.

I have a pop charger on mine and there is a vast improvement over the stock panel filter. Obviously, a CAI is going to get you colder air, but you still have an increase in air flow you can pull in with a pop charger.

I haven't put my car on the dyno, but it is definitely worth the $30 or so. On top of that, you can still use your filter if you put in a CAI, so all you are really out is the cost of the MAF adapter and you may be able to use that, too. Talk to MrGone, I think he used his same filter when he went from pop charger to CAI.

i saw it on his site, unless he's a liar. there is VG CAIs there. they're pricey. price has gone up since i got mine 2 years ago.

Yeap! for the least bang for the buck, a pop charger is about as great as a FSTB (if not better vrrrrooooommm ). It's even better when you hack off the resonator, and even better than that when you get a mid-pipe (not too much of a performance increase between the resonator and mid-pipe, but the mid-pipe gets rid of a hum you get at idle with no resonator. (not a big deal but meh). CAI is fun just because it's a CAI, lol.

Well I had a Stillen (JWT) filter which has that velocity stack thing so I didn't have a MAF adapter (velocity stack bolted straight to the MAF). That means when it came time to install the CAI I had to have 2 MAF adapters. At the time we were trying to get the stillen filter to fit, but were having minor problems so we just opted to throw on a paper element cone filter and get done with it. When I go to paint everything I'll try to throw the stillen on again since the paper one wont last too long.

as far as noise is concerned....

2.5 thru about 3.5k when i hit the gas my CAI makes a nice hissing sound...actually sound a bit like a turbo spooling. (minus about 50 horse) The sound it makes makes me think its added quite a few ponies, but the butt dyno says otherwise.

During quick acceleration the noise gets louder constanly through about 4k, then my magnaflow drowns it out.

Yeah, thats another thing, I thought the whistling noise would go away with the CAI, but it hasn't.

nah, when you go from straight flat filter to cone, you definately hear the air being sucked through easier. As far as noise, right now i have it running as a short ram intake and I put my y pipe on right after the intake, so i have no idea the difference between the two. I like the sound, but i definately don't want any muffler sound when i do that next.

Oh yah, and did anyone say there was a difference in getting an aftermarket b pipe?

i like the brass ***** sound of a loud ego-maniacal muffler. but that is me. maybe i'm a redneck. the drawback is cabin noise and cops.

b-pipe. well. what is the OEM pipe diameter v the warspeed one? that will lead to some answers.

anyone know the OEM pipe diameter?

I quite enjoy the whistle...makes me think my car is quick

I ran both, I first had the pop charger, it sounded good, but it was quiet, more quiet than my friends 95 with a pop charger. My car made a smoother sound. Even when I was up there around 5k it was still smooth sounding but louder. I wanted it to sound more aggressive. So I took out my intake resonator. After that it sounded closer to my friends 95. It was louder and it was not as smooth at high rpm's but it sounded more aggressive. After I installed my CAI I was blown away because I have been looking for this sound all along. It sounds great even better than my friends 95 at high rpm's. Very aggressive and it just turns heads all over the place. Its funny cause right when I got a CAI my friend got a MEVI and now his car sounds like mine when I had my pop charger and no resonator.

.....So in Washington (the northwest), where can I find this "$30" Pop at? I'm pretty dang poor right now ....

I am still the avid fan of the "cains relish cap" ghetto resonator removal, sounds nice..., i am considering removing the intake pipe into the filter box and plumbing a pipe into the fender for a stock modified CAI with stock filters...we'll see how that goes.

Brian

for going OT

AZ is

Guys on here are going to hate me, but I got my pop charger for $30 + my front bose speaker pods from LittlePiggie. This was months before he started making the infamous nowhere-to-be-found CAIs though. Actually, he installed it and I paid him at that meet we had in Portland last fall.

All you need to do is find a MAF adapter and then buy a 3" cone filter and a 3" hose clamp. If you want to upgrade, buy a K&N filter, which will probably run about $45 by itself.

So basically if you install the full warpspeed exhaust system and the CAI, the Interior noise will increase by like twice as much?

no flames but I'm guessing pop charger is the samething as "air charger"
and where is it installed on the engine ?