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Old Jul 21, 2004 | 12:03 AM
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im a noob i know

ok it isnt even my car but my buddy has a 92 auto max????

so i guess it can be a SE i guess?

anyways im totaly clue less of where to even find performance for this car , i got a 1990 mustang i am building that is my car . my buddy knows i do good work and told me he wanted performance for his car. all he has done is a K&N filter removing the air box thingy. and a magnaflow muffler woot!

well i dont even know the stock horsepower numbers on this car...... it would be nice to know

basically is there a catback made for this car?

is there anyways to delete a cat? like there is on a stang?

im pretty sure they dont make CAI for this car, but what have some of yall done?

pacesetter makes headers but those are a joke. if those are the only ones there is then we will settle

i got a connection with a automotive shop with my mustang and i could get his heads ported as well his intake, would it even help???

what about the aftermarket ECU? does that do anything?

a solid 40 horsepower to the wheels would be nice i think thats all he wants

he now plans on keeping the car hes getting everything maintenanced , hell even a new tranny , my shop could do a 5speed swap for him with 400 dollars in labor if he got the transmission and necesary parts. is there anywhere to buy this?

is this engine capable like the one that is in the 300z? (im aware its not the same engine, and im not even thinking about swapping) it has 100k miles on it

id like to start off getting him full exhaust from headers to the muffller tip, then move onto porting everything, i guess the cone K&N filter can do for right now ........

where are the sites for all these parts ? and how much? ive searched and couldnt find **** but the pace setter header
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Before we can start helping you, we need to know what motor he has in his car.

We need to know if his car is a GXE or SE. If it's an SE, then he has 4 wheel disc brakes and foglights with the 190hp DOHC 3L motor (VE30DE). If it's a GXE, then he has rear drum brakes and the 160hp SOHC 3L motor (VG30E).

I am guessing he has the popular SOHC 3L motor that the Pacesetter headers are made for. They don't make headers for the DOHC VE30DE motor.

First, for the best and ONLY shift kit (aka valve body recalibration), www.maximumtuning.net

Next, get a tranny cooler. That will help him out a LOT. Our trannies fail b/c of heat.

Next, www.warpspeedperformance.com for a cold air intake. Yes, they make one for his car, reguardless of motor.

Next, www.warpspeedperformance.com for a Ypipe. Yes, the name sounds like rice, but it's NOT. I am the most anti-rice person on this board. A Ypipe is the pipe connecting the exhaust manifolds to the cat converter. The stock pipe is VERY restrictive and the aftermarket Ypipe found at the above website will free up a good amount of HP. VERY worth the money!!! The Ypipe can be bought for about $220. Just get the 2.5" Aluminized Mandrel Bent Ypipe. You don't need the stainless steel mandrel bent Ypipe unless you are planning on keeping this car for 8 plus years AND you live in an area that snows a lot. (salt = rust) Also, the Ypipe won't make his exhaust any louder, just a deeper tone.... UNLESS he changes his catback exhaust or removes the cat converter.

Yes, there is a way to get rid of the cat. If emissions aren't a problem for you, then I recommend doing this since it's cheap, easy, and it DOES free up a few HP. www.warpspeedperformance.com will help you out with that pipe for about $35.

I HIGHLY recommend NOT upgrading the catback. That is where the rice comes out! You will only get louder. When you compare the best catback exhaust (Greddy) to stock, you will only get about 1 tenth faster in the 1/4 mile. Believe me, I know with my exhaust system. 1 tenth is not noticable. You will just get louder. I don't want this guy to become another ricer statistic.

www.unorthodoxracing.com makes an under driven crank pulley for the VG30E SOHC motor.

www.aspracing.com makes an under drive crank pulley for the VE30DE DOHC motor. I can only speak for the ASP pulley since that's what I have and know. Throttle response got much better. And my 1/4 mile times got 2 tenths better.

www.jimwolftechnology.com makes the only REAL ECU upgrade for the 89-94 (3rd generation) Maxima. Don't bother with JET or Superchips. Yes, the JWT ECU upgrade helps. Is it worth the $600? I doubt it.

Next, is port work. If he has the VG30E SOHC, headers, cams and headwork make a NICE difference. If he has the VE30DE DOHC, nobody has done headers before. Nobody has really messed with cams much. And as for headwork, same thing, nobody knows too much. But porting the throttle body does always help and is a worthy mod if you do all the labor yourself. But since it's labor intensive, it is probably not worth the 5hp you will gain for $250.

For the 5spd swap, yes it's a VERY worthy mod! But you need all the parts. Since there are a lot of parts involved, you will need to get a parts car to swap everything over. You can check out www.car-parts.com and see what you find.

Next, I wouldn't recommend swapping in a 300zx motor. WAY too much work and money for the gains you will recieve unless you have turbo dreams. But, yes, his motor is as capable of producing the same power as the 300zx motor (excluding turbos and RWD).

Look at me. I am an all motor automatic 1992 Maxima that spanks 5.0 Stangs on a regular basis. So yes, there is hope if he has the DOHC motor. If he has the SOHC motor, only expect to run mid 15s with the bolt on mods I talked about above. Unless he does a 5spd swap, then I can easily see him getting in the 14s with some drag radials or slicks.

I hope this gets him started. Others will chime in with more info I'm sure. Good luck!
Old Jul 21, 2004 | 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Aaron92SE
I HIGHLY recommend NOT upgrading the catback. That is where the rice comes out! You will only get louder. When you compare the best catback exhaust (Greddy) to stock, you will only get about 1 tenth faster in the 1/4 mile. Believe me, I know with my exhaust system. 1 tenth is not noticable. You will just get louder. I don't want this guy to become another ricer statistic.
How do you know if you dont have a GReddy for comparison/track testing purposes?

I know what you're saying - that a nice catback doesnt add 15 h0rs3powAhz, but I certainly wouldnt go so far as to specifically recommend against a catback. A nice cat-back is certainly capable of 5-6 hp or so, which isnt totally useless. Every little bit helps, and plus, it sounds so much better
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How do you know if you dont have a GReddy for comparison/track testing purposes?

I know what you're saying - that a nice catback doesnt add 15 h0rs3powAhz, but I certainly wouldnt go so far as to specifically recommend against a catback. A nice cat-back is certainly capable of 5-6 hp or so, which isnt totally useless. Every little bit helps, and plus, it sounds so much better
Sorry, I offended you. I didn't mean to. I meant, the best catback in the world versus stock, can't possibly make our car more than one tenth faster in the 1/4 mile. So therefore, IMO, it's not worth it since I want to be as quiet on the street as possible. Plus, you won't feel any gain in performance other than maybe losing low end power and gaining top end power.

But everyone else wants to hear their exhaust, so if you must get a catback exhaust, then Greddy is the only choice from what I hear from Greddy owners. I personally, do not want to hear my exhaust while cruising on the street. IMO, it just puts me in the same category as the loud Civics racing around town.
Old Jul 21, 2004 | 01:13 AM
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Ohh nah you didnt offend me I was just being a pain in the neck mostly

But I still think a cat-back is worthwhile. Definitely not tops on the scale in terms of dollar per hp ratio, but definitely not useless
Old Jul 21, 2004 | 08:59 AM
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greddy doesnt show making a cat back for these cars

and hey come on u spank 5.0's all day i got a 5.0 try to beat me

but all those parts u showed me sound great, anybody else make headers besides pace setter?
Old Jul 21, 2004 | 09:03 AM
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BOOOOOYA...instant FAQ!!!

Originally Posted by Aaron92SE
Before we can start helping you, we need to know what motor he has in his car.

We need to know if his car is a GXE or SE. If it's an SE, then he has 4 wheel disc brakes and foglights with the 190hp DOHC 3L motor (VE30DE). If it's a GXE, then he has rear drum brakes and the 160hp SOHC 3L motor (VG30E).

I am guessing he has the popular SOHC 3L motor that the Pacesetter headers are made for. They don't make headers for the DOHC VE30DE motor.

First, for the best and ONLY shift kit (aka valve body recalibration), www.maximumtuning.net

Next, get a tranny cooler. That will help him out a LOT. Our trannies fail b/c of heat.

Next, www.warpspeedperformance.com for a cold air intake. Yes, they make one for his car, reguardless of motor.

Next, www.warpspeedperformance.com for a Ypipe. Yes, the name sounds like rice, but it's NOT. I am the most anti-rice person on this board. A Ypipe is the pipe connecting the exhaust manifolds to the cat converter. The stock pipe is VERY restrictive and the aftermarket Ypipe found at the above website will free up a good amount of HP. VERY worth the money!!! The Ypipe can be bought for about $220. Just get the 2.5" Aluminized Mandrel Bent Ypipe. You don't need the stainless steel mandrel bent Ypipe unless you are planning on keeping this car for 8 plus years AND you live in an area that snows a lot. (salt = rust) Also, the Ypipe won't make his exhaust any louder, just a deeper tone.... UNLESS he changes his catback exhaust or removes the cat converter.

Yes, there is a way to get rid of the cat. If emissions aren't a problem for you, then I recommend doing this since it's cheap, easy, and it DOES free up a few HP. www.warpspeedperformance.com will help you out with that pipe for about $35.

I HIGHLY recommend NOT upgrading the catback. That is where the rice comes out! You will only get louder. When you compare the best catback exhaust (Greddy) to stock, you will only get about 1 tenth faster in the 1/4 mile. Believe me, I know with my exhaust system. 1 tenth is not noticable. You will just get louder. I don't want this guy to become another ricer statistic.

www.unorthodoxracing.com makes an under driven crank pulley for the VG30E SOHC motor.

www.aspracing.com makes an under drive crank pulley for the VE30DE DOHC motor. I can only speak for the ASP pulley since that's what I have and know. Throttle response got much better. And my 1/4 mile times got 2 tenths better.

www.jimwolftechnology.com makes the only REAL ECU upgrade for the 89-94 (3rd generation) Maxima. Don't bother with JET or Superchips. Yes, the JWT ECU upgrade helps. Is it worth the $600? I doubt it.

Next, is port work. If he has the VG30E SOHC, headers, cams and headwork make a NICE difference. If he has the VE30DE DOHC, nobody has done headers before. Nobody has really messed with cams much. And as for headwork, same thing, nobody knows too much. But porting the throttle body does always help and is a worthy mod if you do all the labor yourself. But since it's labor intensive, it is probably not worth the 5hp you will gain for $250.

For the 5spd swap, yes it's a VERY worthy mod! But you need all the parts. Since there are a lot of parts involved, you will need to get a parts car to swap everything over. You can check out www.car-parts.com and see what you find.

Next, I wouldn't recommend swapping in a 300zx motor. WAY too much work and money for the gains you will recieve unless you have turbo dreams. But, yes, his motor is as capable of producing the same power as the 300zx motor (excluding turbos and RWD).

Look at me. I am an all motor automatic 1992 Maxima that spanks 5.0 Stangs on a regular basis. So yes, there is hope if he has the DOHC motor. If he has the SOHC motor, only expect to run mid 15s with the bolt on mods I talked about above. Unless he does a 5spd swap, then I can easily see him getting in the 14s with some drag radials or slicks.

I hope this gets him started. Others will chime in with more info I'm sure. Good luck!
Old Jul 21, 2004 | 09:32 AM
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GXE w/ abs has rear disc too.
Old Jul 21, 2004 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by stang2841
greddy doesnt show making a cat back for these cars

and hey come on u spank 5.0's all day i got a 5.0 try to beat me

but all those parts u showed me sound great, anybody else make headers besides pace setter?
what does your rustang run more emportantly whats it trap speed
Old Jul 21, 2004 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by stang2841
greddy doesnt show making a cat back for these cars

and hey come on u spank 5.0's all day i got a 5.0 try to beat me

but all those parts u showed me sound great, anybody else make headers besides pace setter?
A simple "Thank You", would be nice. It took me over a half hour to type out and retreive links for you.

We can line our cars up at the drag strip. I will be living in West Palm Beach in a couple weeks. Maybe we can meet at Moroso sometime. If you have street tires like me, I should be able to give you a good run for your money up to the 1000 foot mark. But after that, most modded 5.0 5 speeds are able to pull back on me since they clearly had better gearing with that 5spd, plus more HP.

Internetautomart, thanks for clearing that up about the rear discs on the GXE. I was not aware of that.

Attention Moderators, we need to have a FAQs section on mods for the 3rd gen (VG and VE). If we already have it, then lets make it easier to find b/c I couldn't find it. We need to have a little section that says, "Get the ebay CAI", "Get the WSP Ypipe", etc. You know, much like I did to help this guy out. There are a lot of people coming on our forum wondering what is available, what is trash, what is recommended by the members, etc. I hope someone takes this into consideration. I will be more than happy to add information to that FAQ section.
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I agree....

+1 post...1 more to go for 11K!
Old Jul 21, 2004 | 11:48 AM
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I agree....

+1 post...1 more to go for 11K!
Post here!! Post again! WOOT!
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Originally Posted by James92SE
Every little bit helps, and plus, it sounds so much better
Plus a stock catback with a test pipe has those nasty as hell resonations on decelleration.

the greddy itself is worth it just to get rid of them

Originally Posted by DA-MAX
I agree....

+1 post...1 more to go for 11K!
Old Jul 21, 2004 | 02:30 PM
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hey man my bad ,

thanks a ton for all that info its helpin me and my buddy out a bunch

yeah to the one guy my rustang traps over 115

and to the guy who gave me all the helpful info west palm beach?

i live in tampa maybe we could meet up at the bradenton track one day

ull see me 1990lx5 speed, 17" rims, 3 inch cowl w/hood pins. and a loud *** exhaust, colored primer
Old Jul 21, 2004 | 02:33 PM
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Keep adding to it and I'll consider it.

Most of your links are in the faqs.
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hey man my bad ,

thanks a ton for all that info its helpin me and my buddy out a bunch

yeah to the one guy my rustang traps over 115

and to the guy who gave me all the helpful info west palm beach?

i live in tampa maybe we could meet up at the bradenton track one day

ull see me 1990lx5 speed, 17" rims, 3 inch cowl w/hood pins. and a loud *** exhaust, colored primer
Nice dude. You must have some work done to that thing. 115+ traps is good enough to get the front wheels off the ground and run mid 11s if you are setup for high 1.5 60 foots. Is it normally aspirated?

Bradenton is quite a drive away. But I might make that drive if there's a huge event there or something. But feel free to come to Moroso. That'll be my new home track.
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yeah all motor, just a 100 shot

when i run slicks i could get 11's
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Keep adding to it and I'll consider it.

Most of your links are in the faqs.
I know, but people don't know if they suck or not. Maybe you can copy and paste my information in the FAQs. Or alter it however you see fit. People come on Maxima.org everyday wondering what mods are good for the 3rd gen.
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oh forgot to mention i drive it to school everyday as well
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Originally Posted by stang2841
yeah all motor, just a 100 shot

when i run slicks i could get 11's
Haha, you aren't all motor then!
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what does it trap at ALL MOTOR

ill take a guess at 105

either way 115 is pretty mean
Old Jul 21, 2004 | 09:47 PM
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the nitrous only adds 4mph on my trap, and since then i got new 1.7 rockers and a custom grind cam, so probably quicker, and i did a bit more porting on my heads , it feels alot stronger i mean alot stronger pulls all the way to 6300 rpm
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oh, can you plz show me where the greddy sells the catback?
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oh and another thing i saw a Y pipe for 200 on warspeed aluminized does that one have a cat?

cats are worthless here they cost more and less horsepower
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oh and another thing i saw a Y pipe for 200 on warspeed aluminized does that one have a cat?

cats are worthless here they cost more and less horsepower
No it doesn't come with a cat. When you order the Ypipe from Warpspeed, order a "testpipe" for another $30-35 and that will replace your cat.
Old Jul 22, 2004 | 09:08 AM
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Most if not all modifications are in the stickies. I just edited on one of Matt's subjects so everyone can see it. It's pretty clear that most ingore reading them when it should be the first things they read. If something is missing I'll update it.

But if people aren't going to take the time to read the stickies, I seriously hesistate to take the time to make them.

Originally Posted by Aaron92SE
I know, but people don't know if they suck or not. Maybe you can copy and paste my information in the FAQs. Or alter it however you see fit. People come on Maxima.org everyday wondering what mods are good for the 3rd gen.
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Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Most if not all modifications are in the stickies. I just edited on one of Matt's subjects so everyone can see it. It's pretty clear that most ingore reading them when it should be the first things they read. If something is missing I'll update it.

But if people aren't going to take the time to read the stickies, I seriously hesistate to take the time to make them.
I think people read the stickies everyday. But every now and then, you'll get that single person that didn't read the stickies; while thousands of other people are reading them and you just don't know about it.

I still think stickies get used. I know when I get on a new forum, the first thing I look for are FAQs and stickies.
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Well just on the first page there are about 3-4 questions that either redundant or is in the stickies.

Originally Posted by Aaron92SE
I think people read the stickies everyday. But every now and then, you'll get that single person that didn't read the stickies; while thousands of other people are reading them and you just don't know about it.

I still think stickies get used. I know when I get on a new forum, the first thing I look for are FAQs and stickies.
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Well just on the first page there are about 3-4 questions that either redundant or is in the stickies.
Yeah, you're right. I just saw that you added in a page that I forgot about that lists all the VE performance modifications. That's pretty much all we need is something like that. Thanks.
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