Vadim-93GXE

I was thinking about adding the SE's spoiler onto my GXE. Does that spoiler have some type of aerodynamic use, or it's just there for appearance purposes? Thanks.

Wiking

If properly intalled, its supposed to push downwards at high speeds and thereby give better stability over ? 80mph. Causes also drag increase. Mainly its for u friends pushing when stuck in snow so bolt it tight.

Some are nice. Some refuseniks do not like 'em: saw one russian LADA the other day with 2x4" 'spoiler' attached...

Cliff Clavin

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That's pretty funny...except our spoilers are made of some kind of foam and if your friends tried to push on it, it would probably tear right out of the trunk.

If you are serious about getting a spoiler, I would recommend finding an SE trunk in the same color as your car with the spoiler already attached, IF you can find one that the foam isn't ruined.

Otherwise, I would recommend buying an aftermarket one (Stillen type 2) that looks pretty close to stock, but it's not made of foam. When you go this route, you are going to have to pay a body shop to match your paint and install it, which will probably put the total at around $400-$500.

Vadim-93GXE

But the original one is better either way if I can find it. Less money, and less weight since it's made of foam right? And Wiking, when you said it increases drag, thats a bad thing right? Does it still stay at the 32 drag? I never knew if more drag or less drag is better. Help me out, thanks.

Michael

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no the original is not better. It may be cheaper but it is heavier. It is a very dense foam type of material and of course is solid. The fiberglas spoilers are much lighter because they are hollow.

Matter of fact if you put an se spoiler on your gxe trunk you will not be able to pop your trunk from the door. The tension rods that lift up the trunk are totally different between the two. When I put a gxe trunk on my se the trunk flew up lol.

So if you put on an se spoiler be sure and get the tension rods.

Vadim-93GXE

So adding the spoiler interferes with the tension rods? Hm, Im gonna go look at the setup of the spoiler on the SE's trunk and how it's connected. I always thought spoilers just bolt right onto the cars body.

«§»Craig B«§»

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no, awsm66 was trying to explain the differences in the tension rods between GXE and SE

one is designed with the spoiler weight in mind (SE) and one is not (GXE)

James92SE

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Funny that GXE guys want a spoiler and alot of SE guys want to be spoilerless

In fact I think I'll be ripping mine off tomorrow

«§»Craig B«§»

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gonna take off the stock one to put on your old big one from the blue car?

dont make me post the pic

James92SE

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I was thinking more just rip it off and sporting electrical tape over the holes for months and months

Michael

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sweet...electrical tape is the only way to go.

internetautomar

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real men use duct tape

Michael

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duct tape residue is much harder to get off after you take the tape off.

internetautomar

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you take your tape off?????

James92SE

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Plus electrical tape matches my car and I can get away with not filling/painting longer

andy044

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whats the point of a spoiler on a frnt whl drive car??

i guess one could argue that it increases downward force and ther for keeps ths rear end from wanting to stray out of line?
but this would only be appilicable at speeds of 100+?

imy my AP pyhsics class last year, i was able to do a lab on the force aplied on spoilers in rear wheel cars. the only car i had to test with was a zo6 corvette


fill me in as to why every car in "the fast n furious" and all "street racers" now think that they need a spoiler on their Mitz. Eclipse in order to win the other guys pink slip. hah

avmaldo

It just looks cool.

kcidmil

Because stickers can add 2-10hp so I guess they're expecting a wing to add around 15-20hp...

Cliff Clavin

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I was under the impression a spoiler will add some downforce, but only at high speeds. I am thinking high speeds are along the lines of probably 50-75 mph + though, and you would have to have a spoiler that was designed for this purpose. I am pretty sure that the spoilers put on Porsche 911 Turbos that raise out of the rear end aren't just for looks. The same goes for WRC, Formula 1, etc., race cars that have large aluminum wings on the back. I am sure they have a purpose, but they aren't necessary for Eclipses and Civics.

I would also assume that the spoiler on our cars is 99 percent for looks and provides a small amount of downforce if you were to go very fast. I don't know this for sure because I don't have access to a wind tunnel or anything

Ninty-two-se

The spoiler also keeps the air that goes over the top of the car from tumbling and creating a vortex behind the car (which would increase drag)... I dunno how well this works on our cars since it has the big solid center for the 3rd brakelight. The spoiler also helps me when backing up because I can see exactly where the end of the trunk is... unlike some cars where corners of the car are out of view because the hood and trunk slope away

lalo

So if stickers add 2-10 HP and wings add 15-20hp, How much HP gaing would I get from Black electricaltape? or would grey tape be better?

DaKeG

I saw a video on the internet with a RX-7 out in the salt flats. Called Whats Downforce. He had no spolier and must have created ^ vortex of doom. I have no idea how fast he was really going. By judging for far his car slit on its roof after flying like a frisbee for a moment, he must have been going very fast.

What would be really cool if that was a little deck lib spoiler like this but for a max of course.

Maroon'dMaxSE

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if you do add the se spoiler..........PLEASE REMOVE THE BRAKELIGHT THAT IS ON UR REAR DECK!!!!

imo it looks weird when both light up

andy044

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but those cars are rear wheel drive
and the rX7 that flipped in the salt flats, he was rear wheel drive also, so a spoiler would be appropriate

Avi

Funny - Here's pics of my SE where I am getting RID of the spoiler...


...and the third brake light...


Like some people have said, it's really a matter of what you like. I for one don't like the look nor the added weight - I liked things smooth.

bvtran

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hah just go on ebay and get yourself a huge wing and screw it to the back trunk

ghostridden

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done that, don't advise a big arsh metal thing on the back, plus it doesn't look right

James92SE

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That's exactly what I want to do.

Do you have mroe pics of your shaving the middle piece? I remember you posting a bunch of pics a year or so ago.

I attempted it on my spare trunk I have, and kept burning through the metal. But then again, I'm not sure a thicker piece would be flexible enough. What gauge metal did you use on that center piece?

kcidmil

hmm let me think...... Well grey is bulkier, but sticks better than electrical. BUT...... if the electrical is installed correctly by a professional, and everything is balanced and proportional. I say the following

4-8hp for Grey
5-12 for electrical (balanced)
2-3 for a chitty job

internetautomar

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no no no, grey is also called Racer's tape, so that definately adds 20whp as long as the package is marked as such.

Vadim-93GXE

Hahaha you guys are crazy. Why don't you just use some giant band-aids in 2 big straight lines going over the body of the car like the Dodge Viper has it. Thats 50 hp off the bat right there! And then after you can take it through a windtunnel and see the noticable difference in drag.

twinkle

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holy crap that would be cool...and if you DO get gray tape, make sure you get 200 mile an hour tape...:-D

kcidmil

Yeah, that stuff is great, even NASCAR uses it. But I think they use it for of it's noticable decreasing of drag more than for HP gain. They get enough of that from all the stickers. I'm guessing the GIANT hood ones add around 150hp.