Putting a VG into a VE...a few questions

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Aug 23, 2005 | 10:58 AM
  #41  
Quote: Even if the vlsd is in perfect working order, the % lock is only about 20-25%. Nothing great. I've done the vlsd test on my old car, I'm not sure if it was working or not. Wheels turned in the opposite direction. But you have to agitate the fluid before it starts working. So who knows?
I've done the vlsd test with your old tranny




Feels like 50/50% (not arguing that it's not, but atleast with mine it does feel dead even )


marks look like 50/50%

and never really had any torque steer like my old auto. There is an inch or two of play (measured from the outter diameter of the tire... probably just axle/tranny/gear slop) but then it meets resistance and the other side spins at the exact same time. (doesn't matter if the cars been sitting for 3 seconds or 3 months same exact thing).



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Aug 23, 2005 | 10:59 AM
  #42  
Quote: oh it's been moved
falling off the jack stands doesn't count







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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:00 AM
  #43  
Quote: But you have to agitate the fluid before it starts working.
Ah, that it explains it. A few weeks ago, I jacked my car up after it sat overnight. Wheels turned in opposite direction. Started the car, let it idle in 1st, turned it off. Then both wheels turned in the same direction.
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:00 AM
  #44  
Quote: falling off the jack stands doesn't count







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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:00 AM
  #45  
Can you two kids get a room or something?
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:01 AM
  #46  
Quote: Ah, that it explains it. A few weeks ago, I jacked my car up after it sat overnight. Wheels turned in opposite direction. Started the car, let it idle in 1st, turned it off. Then both wheels turned in the same direction.
Package arrive yet?



edit: 2 hours
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:02 AM
  #47  
Quote: Can you two kids get a room or something?
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:02 AM
  #48  
Quote:

Blah, photochopped.
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:02 AM
  #49  
Odd, when the two wheels turn in the same direction the fluid is not agitated. Only when one wheel turns at a diff rate than the other. This agitating the fluid and making it more viscious. I don't know what starting the car on jacks would do?
Quote: Ah, that it explains it. A few weeks ago, I jacked my car up after it sat overnight. Wheels turned in opposite direction. Started the car, let it idle in 1st, turned it off. Then both wheels turned in the same direction.
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:02 AM
  #50  
Quote: Can you two kids get a room or something?














can't keep up
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:03 AM
  #51  
Quote: Package arrive yet?



edit: 2 hours
Well considering that I don't get off work until 5:15 EST, does it matter?
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:04 AM
  #52  
23,322

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can't keep up
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:05 AM
  #53  
Quote: Blah, photochopped.


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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:06 AM
  #54  
Quote: Odd, when the two wheels turn in the same direction the fluid is not agitated. Only when one wheel turns at a diff rate than the other. This agitating the fluid and making it more viscious. I don't know what starting the car on jacks would do?
I thought you meant agitate the gear oil. Dunno why it started working. Maybe my VLSD is on its last gasp? :dunno: I asked my rebuilder about replacing it with a new one. He said the best he could do was a used one for $575. I passed on that.
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:06 AM
  #55  
Quote: Blah, photochopped.
truth! look at the dirty strut towers and firewall are

Quote: Odd, when the two wheels turn in the same direction the fluid is not agitated. Only when one wheel turns at a diff rate than the other. This agitating the fluid and making it more viscious. I don't know what starting the car on jacks would do?
by agitated do you mean "heated" or whatever to create the viscosity needed to make the LSD work?

I'm just using Amsoil Series 2000 75w90. No additional friction modifiers added. Chris has the same.
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:08 AM
  #56  
Quote: 23,322
with all that time, just think of the promotion, you could be VP






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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:09 AM
  #57  
Um the viscous coupling inside the tranny is a closed unit with it's only viscous fluid. The fluid won't become more viscous until it's agitated, sheared so to speak. So when you shear it enough, it becomes thicker and begins to transfer power to the faster spinning wheel to the other.
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:09 AM
  #58  
Don't you have some oil filters to buy?

Quote: with all that time, just think of the promotion, you could be VP






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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:10 AM
  #59  
Quote:
please stop posting pictures of my car, it's a secret
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:11 AM
  #60  
Quote: Don't you have some oil filters to buy?
If I'm picking up the Bimmer today I'll go buy some and drop them off at your house.

Either today or tomarrow
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:11 AM
  #61  
Quote: Um the viscous coupling inside the tranny is a closed unit with it's only viscous fluid. The fluid won't become more viscous until it's agitated, sheared so to speak. So when you shear it enough, it becomes thicker and begins to transfer power to the faster spinning wheel to the other.
wouldn't that cause the viscous fluid to get hot and be more thinned out?
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:14 AM
  #62  
Quote: please stop posting pictures of my car, it's a secret
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:15 AM
  #63  
Quote: Um the viscous coupling inside the tranny is a closed unit with it's only viscous fluid. The fluid won't become more viscous until it's agitated, sheared so to speak. So when you shear it enough, it becomes thicker and begins to transfer power to the faster spinning wheel to the other.
better come take a look at mine then, it must be sped special

as soon as I turn one wheel one way, the other wheel turns the other way.

The guy I bought it from was giddy from a bunch of work he just did and accidently put it in Reverse instead of First at a stop light and backed into a school bus Maybe that agitated the fluid permanently.






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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:15 AM
  #64  
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential9.htm

Quote: wouldn't that cause the viscous fluid to get hot and be more thinned out?
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:23 AM
  #65  
Quote: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential9.htm
ok thanks Jeff
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:35 AM
  #66  
Quote: So if freshalloy says it, it must be true! And if you want a reliable sedan, I recommend staying away from 11 - 16 year old out of production, high mileage sedans. Go buy a late model Civic auto and call it good. But if you are looking for a car with some personality, decent performance potential, and uniqueness, by a VE 5spd. You would be surprised at how well it performs when compared to modern cars. (With the exception of turbo shitboxes)
Freshalloy claims to be an enthusiast site for Nissan. If an enthusiast site is down on the VE, there's gotta be reason. And it's not too hard to find several other sources that will warn you against the VE just as quickly.

But I'll try the common-sense approah. If the VE was a great engine, Nissan would have continued using it wherever they weren't stuffing VQ's...did they do that?

Again, no offense to the VE "cognoscenti", the VE has some great HP and character...but I wouldn't risk my money on one.
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:53 AM
  #67  
Please explain in technical terms why the VE is not recommended. Thanks.

Reason why the didn't use it more? Okay. Because Nissan spend a grip of cash to make this special motor for FWD duty. It also served as a test dummy for some systems coming out on the VQ30. ie.. coil on plug ign, dohc heads on a fwd car etc..... In 1995, Nissan introduced the all new and aluminum VQ30 that was going to serve the mainstay of all FWD maxima sedans. The VE30DE was a stop gap measure to compete against the Toyota Camry at the time. The lowly VG was NOT cutting it with only 160-ish hp.

Your turn...

Quote: Freshalloy claims to be an enthusiast site for Nissan. If an enthusiast site is down on the VE, there's gotta be reason. And it's not too hard to find several other sources that will warn you against the VE just as quickly.

But I'll try the common-sense approah. If the VE was a great engine, Nissan would have continued using it wherever they weren't stuffing VQ's...did they do that?

Again, no offense to the VE "cognoscenti", the VE has some great HP and character...but I wouldn't risk my money on one.
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:55 AM
  #68  
Quote: But I'll try the common-sense approah. If the VE was a great engine, Nissan would have continued using it wherever they weren't stuffing VQ's...did they do that?
I could have swore the VQ was the more advanced replacement for the VE? What would be the sense in stuffing them in places where the VQ wasn't around?
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:56 AM
  #69  
My "lame duck engine" has almost 285,000 miles on it.....I guess i should junk it...
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Aug 23, 2005 | 11:58 AM
  #70  
Quote: Please explain in technical terms why the VE is not recommended. Thanks.
I can name one thing.. VTC's will pretty much always
go bad ASAP no matter how many times you replace/rebuild.
They are prone to failure from what I understood here
http://www.geocities.com/bracecraig/...vcs-bible.html

Edit: "Now because these assemblies are hydraulicly operated(engine oil pressure) this is where the problem begins. The VTC assemblies are very high up on the heads(see sig pic for reference) This means during start-up these assemblies are probably the one of the last things to get oil. Along with this, the oil gallies leading up from the oil pan are fairly small. So any clogging of these gallies from sludge will only slow the time and quantity of oil that these assemblies receive." - Jeff92se
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Aug 23, 2005 | 12:00 PM
  #71  
Quote: Freshalloy claims to be an enthusiast site for Nissan. If an enthusiast site is down on the VE, there's gotta be reason. And it's not too hard to find several other sources that will warn you against the VE just as quickly.

But I'll try the common-sense approah. If the VE was a great engine, Nissan would have continued using it wherever they weren't stuffing VQ's...did they do that?

Again, no offense to the VE "cognoscenti", the VE has some great HP and character...but I wouldn't risk my money on one.
Just remember to believe everything you read.
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Aug 23, 2005 | 12:01 PM
  #72  
the Z32 and Q45 have VTCs that go bad also. The engines must suck also.

Quote: I can name one thing.. VTC's will pretty much always
go bad ASAP no matter how many times you replace/rebuild.
They are prone to failure from what I understood here
http://www.geocities.com/bracecraig/...vcs-bible.html

Edit: "Now because these assemblies are hydraulicly operated(engine oil pressure) this is where the problem begins. The VTC assemblies are very high up on the heads(see sig pic for reference) This means during start-up these assemblies are probably the one of the last things to get oil. Along with this, the oil gallies leading up from the oil pan are fairly small. So any clogging of these gallies from sludge will only slow the time and quantity of oil that these assemblies receive." - Jeff92se
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Aug 23, 2005 | 12:02 PM
  #73  
Quote: the Z32 and Q45 have VTCs that go bad also. The engines must suck also.
I'm waiting on the VQ35
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Aug 23, 2005 | 12:02 PM
  #74  
Quote: the Z32 and Q45 have VTCs that go bad also. The engines must suck also.


and the sentra too......
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Aug 23, 2005 | 12:04 PM
  #75  
Quote: the Z32 and Q45 have VTCs that go bad also. The engines must suck also.
Well I don't know. Im not really an expert, but from what I understood, it has it's flaws. Or in this case, seems a bit more then the VG's, no offense to the VE of course. Great respect to that engine.
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Aug 23, 2005 | 12:06 PM
  #76  
Today would be nice. haha

Quote: If I'm picking up the Bimmer today I'll go buy some and drop them off at your house.

Either today or tomarrow
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Aug 23, 2005 | 12:14 PM
  #77  
Quote: you also can't buy a VQ in a 3rd gen body
Of couse not. But if I went shopping today, I could find decent VGs, VEs and VQs priced within dollars of each other. If I was new to Maximas and had 30 minutes for research, I'd learn about the differences and go with a VQ car. Meaning the market for any third gen car is pretty limited when the market is also carrying VQ's at roughly the same price...body style notwithstanding.
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Aug 23, 2005 | 12:21 PM
  #78  
Quote: Just remember to believe everything you read.

Hey, don't you know that I do. Especially when it's written on an ethusiasts' forum like this? Thanks for the tip, chief!
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Aug 23, 2005 | 12:35 PM
  #79  
Quote: I could have swore the VQ was the more advanced replacement for the VE? What would be the sense in stuffing them in places where the VQ wasn't around?
IMO, the VQ actually had some of the VE's features deleted in the interest of cost savings. Remember, the 4thGen was introduced at a time when Nissan was almost bankrupt. That is why I think the VQ30DE in stateside Maximas does not have variable valve timing or a variable intake manifold. These features were added back in the VQ35. Which, in my mind, makes a VQ35 the only motor to move up to from a VE.

Also, 4thGen tranny lost the VLSD, paint was crap, interior rattled more... Not to mention the minivan rear end.

This is why we refer to the 4thGen as a Minima.
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Aug 23, 2005 | 12:38 PM
  #80  
The VQ made the same hp and 15 more ftlbs torque w/o all the gizmos. But since it had a single stage intake manifold, it falls flat on it's face over 5,000 rpm. But with simple mods, it can really sing. There are more than a few dyno'ng at 200hp/200ft/lbs at the wheels. Not fricken bad. Not too many VEs doing this.
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