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Old Aug 25, 2005 | 07:09 PM
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I think if you drove one, which I doubt you have.. You wouldn't be saying that. No offense. Of course on the other hand......... If I drove a VG 5spd, I may not be talkin so much crap But from my experiences with a VG Auto, Im not all that satisfied. I have gotten some good victories in it though.
You would like it Im sure. I have a VG 5 speed parts car (89 se) that has 217K, and at least one bad injector. It runs like a bat out of a steam room as is.( ) Very impressive over the damn VG auto, oh and my ****ty 2.2L 4 banger s10, also 5 speed.

I cant wait to drop the tranny and 5 speed related parts and put them into my 2ed max, as it runs very smooth and sounds great. I cant wait to drive that, now I know a ve 5 speed would be even better, but for around town, you want a VG, as its POWER NOW! A VE is a good higher speed/highway car and the VG is a killer around town car. And better for Forced induction, and I plan on taking advantage of that.

Any way thats my take. Im itching to drive a manual V6 around after rolling around in my s10 for 3 months now

~Alex
Old Aug 25, 2005 | 08:15 PM
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were it up to me, i'd have yanked both VG and VE out of the 3rd gen and put a VQ35 in it. but such an engine was not available at the time.
Can that really be done?
Old Aug 25, 2005 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Fontinyatz
I think if you drove one, which I doubt you have.. You wouldn't be saying that. No offense. Of course on the other hand......... If I drove a VG 5spd, I may not be talkin so much crap But from my experiences with a VG Auto, Im not all that satisfied. I have gotten some good victories in it though.

So in the end all I can say is I recommend getting a VE 5spd to anyone who wants the ultimate 3rd gen experience and the "coolest" Maxima around. Even if there is a reliablility difference between the two, I can assure you it's quite small, when looking at what the VE can do. And it's well worth it.
i have not driven a VE. that is correct. i have been a passenger in one. and it was fine. but i was not compelled to buy another 3rd gen with the VE. instead, i bought a Galant VR-4. and it's a biach to work on, probably ten orders of magnitude more inconvenient than a VE. but the payoff is the insane speed.

i agree that the VE 3rd gen is probably the coolest of all of the incarnations of the maxima yet seen. had i more space around here, i'd get one for good measure, to round out my collection. maybe someday i'll have one for the heck of it.

but for now, i daily drive the VG. and i'll live vicariously through the guys here with them.
Old Aug 25, 2005 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by maximutt
Can that really be done?
hehehe. here we go......! after monster garage, anything can be done with the right sponsors ($$$). were it done, you'd have perhaps the mac-daddy maxima of all time. you would be a demi-god had you that setup.
Old Aug 25, 2005 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by maximutt
Can that really be done?
One of the oldest rules here

If you have to ask...
Old Aug 25, 2005 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bonzelite
i have not driven a VE. that is correct. i have been a passenger in one. and it was fine. but i was not compelled to buy another 3rd gen with the VE. instead, i bought a Galant VR-4. and it's a biach to work on, probably ten orders of magnitude more inconvenient than a VE. but the payoff is the insane speed.

i agree that the VE 3rd gen is probably the coolest of all of the incarnations of the maxima yet seen. had i more space around here, i'd get one for good measure, to round out my collection. maybe someday i'll have one for the heck of it.

but for now, i daily drive the VG. and i'll live vicariously through the guys here with them.
in all honesty, if you want to go fast, maximas are not the car to do so.

still great all around cars and extremely fun daily drivers. But when you start competing it really is just not worth it . I still had a great time playing around with mine though. Very fun and functional car, and absolutely great for it's time.

My only gripe is why insurance on them is so high
Old Aug 25, 2005 | 08:27 PM
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[QUOTE=Alex_V I cant wait to drive that, now I know a ve 5 speed would be even better, but for around town, you want a VG, as its POWER NOW! A VE is a good higher speed/highway car and the VG is a killer around town car. And better for Forced induction, and I plan on taking advantage of that.

~Alex[/QUOTE]

that is true. the VG has more low-end torque, right off the line, than the VE. in a VG, you could probably overtake a VE for a few seconds, but it would then quickly catch up and win.
Old Aug 25, 2005 | 08:28 PM
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I'm no friggin mechanic. Geez. Finally get to 15 posts......
Old Aug 25, 2005 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by bonzelite

that is true. the VG has more low-end torque, right off the line, than the VE. in a VG, you could probably overtake a VE for a few seconds, but it would then quickly catch up and win.
antonthegrey and I did a few stoplight runs. dead even from a stop until he hit 5000rpm. From then on I just darted ahead. shift to second, I was even higher in my powerband, kept on pulling.

I dont understand where you guys get the whole VG lowend. I've driven both, feel exactly the same until about 3000-3500 where the VE just takes off.
Old Aug 25, 2005 | 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by maximutt
I'm no friggin mechanic. Geez. Finally get to 15 posts......
it's okay. hang around long enough and you'll get accustomed to the climate. maybe.

people here tend to not like it when someone has not done their homework, or has neglected to have used the "search" function. and people here with less than 3000 posts are considered "noobs."
Old Aug 25, 2005 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bonzelite
it's okay. hang around long enough and you'll get accustomed to the climate. maybe.

people here tend to not like it when someone has not done their homework, or has neglected to have used the "search" function. and people here with less than 3000 posts are considered "noobs."
meh, I dont really care


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Old Aug 25, 2005 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by bonzelite
it's okay. hang around long enough and you'll get accustomed to the climate. maybe.

people here tend to not like it when someone has not done their homework, or has neglected to have used the "search" function. and people here with less than 3000 posts are considered "noobs."
No prob. At least I am actually an enthusiast. Had 3 max's. Currently own an 91 SE and a 2002 GLE with every avail. option including navi. Anway, back to the topic. I've had the VG for over a year. Bought it with 77,xxx and it now has 99,xxx. Just did the timing belt and it runs strong. I'd dump it in a second for a VE though. Never owned one but I'd deal with the VTC's for the extra HP. I had a 97 SE and really miss the extra umph.
Old Aug 25, 2005 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MrGone
antonthegrey and I did a few stoplight runs. dead even from a stop until he hit 5000rpm. From then on I just darted ahead. shift to second, I was even higher in my powerband, kept on pulling.

I dont understand where you guys get the whole VG lowend. I've driven both, feel exactly the same until about 3000-3500 where the VE just takes off.
cool.

others swear that they felt the VG pull off the line stronger, then die quickly.

out of curioisity, did they ever put a VE30DET or DETT in the Fairlady Z? or was it just the VG30DET? and DETT? (z31, z32).

and if they did not ever use a factory turbo VE, why not?
Old Aug 25, 2005 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MrGone
meh, I dont really care


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hehehe.
Old Aug 25, 2005 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bonzelite
cool.

others swear that they felt the VG pull off the line stronger, then die quickly.

out of curioisity, did they ever put a VE30DET or DETT in the Fairlady Z? or was it just the VG30DET? and DETT? (z31, z32).

and if they did not ever use a factory turbo VE, why not?
the VE was only used in the 92-94 SE's, thats it. Never produced a turbo version/etc. Maybe just feels stronger because of the lack of highend.

but then again I've always kept mine in tip top shape
Old Aug 25, 2005 | 09:40 PM
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we all know the most mac daddy 3rd gen will be a RWD VE 5spd and i bet it will happen eventually since people seem to be converting everyhting else (ive seen just about every honda some foci altimas corollas and a few 80s dodge cars but im sure there are many others)
Old Aug 25, 2005 | 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by subs1000w
we all know the most mac daddy 3rd gen will be a RWD VE 5spd and i bet it will happen eventually since people seem to be converting everyhting else (ive seen just about every honda some foci altimas corollas and a few 80s dodge cars but im sure there are many others)
hmm. this is different.

so this begs the question, was a RWD version of the VE engine/tranny ever configured? if not, what tranny would mate to it? i've never considered this one before. a fantasy RWD VG 3rd gen is a no-brainer. you'd just use the RWD z31 drivetrain.

so let me think this through: you'd use again, in part, the RWD 300zx setup --you'd use the VG RWD tranny mated to the VE i'd guess. if a VG FWD block can accept both a VG and VE tranny, and a RWD VG block must be used to turbo the VG in the 3rd gen, wouldn't logic follow, then, that a FWD configured VE block would mate to a RWD z31 or z32 VG tranny?
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did you guys really have to go there?
Old Aug 26, 2005 | 06:37 AM
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My only gripe is why insurance on them is so high
IMHO/IIRC, because they are 4 door sports cars.
Old Aug 26, 2005 | 12:17 PM
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I was going to do that exact swap, my 1993 SE runs like a pile of crap. i do love the 1990 SE very much, and until i got my 1992 SE running, i had lost faith in the VE. but after that 1992 ran, it ran like a bat out of hell. very sweet indeed. i have decided to just drop off the 1993 into a shop and set the mechanic loose on it.
Old Aug 27, 2005 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by bonzelite
people here with less than 3000 posts are considered "noobs."

Ahhh crap....I'm still a noob......
Old Aug 27, 2005 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by bonzelite
and people here with less than 3000 posts are considered "noobs."
Umm, no. I have been ~4.5 years and I have ~1500 posts. I assure you, I am no noob.
Old Aug 27, 2005 | 10:59 AM
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Thanks Guys!
All this thread has done has spark my intrest in seeing how much power I can get out of my VG! Unfortunatly it is an auto, but after a pretty harsh car accideant last Nov. I have no choice but to drive an auto now. So I'll deal with it. I'd rather try to get what I can out of this engine, then give up on it and try to buy a VE. But I'm also stubborn as hell, So Why not. What's the worst that could happen? I dump some money into it, don't like it and have some punk kid pay his savings account on it? Doesn't hurt my feelings! I can't complain about the reliabilty of my VG as it's at the 287000 kms mark and still going strong!

Wish me luck guys! lol
Old Aug 27, 2005 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Pervis Anathema
Umm, no. I have been ~4.5 years and I have ~1500 posts. I assure you, I am no noob.
actually, i was wrong. i should have come to my senses. there are those among us on this forum who consider those with less than 5000 posts to be noobs. i was being more forgiving.
Old Aug 27, 2005 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bonzelite
actually, i was wrong. i should have come to my senses. there are those among us on this forum who consider those with less than 5000 posts to be noobs. i was being more forgiving.
Well enjoy your self imposed noob status.
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quiet n00bs



no 10k no care


IB Jeffy and 20k



seriously though, if VG's are feeling stronger than your VE's then you need to drop some money into the VE because something is wrong.
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i think shawn, it ain't 'bout dat. its 'bout dis guys VG lovin to drop it in a VE car. weird. but dats what he want.

so here we go. and it led to all kind of fantasy swap like RWD z32 type setups in a maxima, tranny combinations with blocks, you name it.

i think a lot of peeps here gone defected to turbomaxima.com forums. i seen matt, jeff, and chris on there. its just the heL wit noobs here.
Old Aug 28, 2005 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by bonzelite
i think shawn, it ain't 'bout dat. its 'bout dis guys VG lovin to drop it in a VE car. weird. but dats what he want.

so here we go. and it led to all kind of fantasy swap like RWD z32 type setups in a maxima, tranny combinations with blocks, you name it.

i think a lot of peeps here gone defected to turbomaxima.com forums. i seen matt, jeff, and chris on there. its just the heL wit noobs here.
Wow. Taking yourselves a little seriously around here. What's wrong with asking some questions or having a little fun. Who really cares if the guy wants to drop a VG in his car. If that's what he wants why not help him out with some knowledge however stupid you think it may be. And sorry if asking if you can drop a VQ in a VG is such an asinine question. A simple no would suffice.
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asking if you can drop a VQ in a VG is such an asinine question. A simple no would suffice.
And that no would make you ignorant. A VQ swap has been done successfully.
Old Aug 28, 2005 | 10:42 AM
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And that no would make you ignorant. A VQ swap has been done successfully.
Well, not all of us are all almighty. I suppose the question should have been "Excuse my ignorance because I am a noob and am not worthy of even being in the presence of those on the board but can a VQ really be dropped in a VG? When responding to my question keep in mind that I already know I am an ingnorant fool for asking but I'd rather just have you answer my question than having to become ASE Certified so I can find out."
Old Aug 28, 2005 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by maximutt
Well, not all of us are all almighty. I suppose the question should have been "Excuse my ignorance because I am a noob and am not worthy of even being in the presence of those on the board but can a VQ really be dropped in a VG? When responding to my question keep in mind that I already know I am an ingnorant fool for asking but I'd rather just have you answer my question than having to become ASE Certified so I can find out."
Or you could just read the internets and save your worthless, putrid sarcasm for someone who cares. All your babbling just make you look young, stupid newb. Oh wait, nevermind,
Old Aug 28, 2005 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Pervis Anathema
Or you could just read the internets and save your worthless, putrid sarcasm for someone who cares. All your babbling just make you look young and stupid. Oh wait, nevermind,
Remember, I already know I'm stupid. That's why I asked a stupid question. What I didn't know is that it is not acceptable on maxima.org to not know everything about maximas. Stupid me, I've owned several maximas since my first one in 97 and I figured I was an enthusiast. I didn't know that enthusiast meant possessed fanatic who has an endless amount of time to surf the internet and read Chiltons to become an all-knowing demi-god on maximas. That's not me so I suppose I don't belong here. I'm out.
Old Aug 28, 2005 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Pervis Anathema
And that no would make you ignorant. A VQ swap has been done successfully.
Are you reffering to this "VQ swap"?
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=315108

Anybody ever get proof of it's existance?
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Originally Posted by maximutt
Remember, I already know I'm stupid. That's why I asked a stupid question. What I didn't know is that it is not acceptable on maxima.org to not know everything about maximas. Stupid me, I've owned several maximas since my first one in 97 and I figured I was an enthusiast. I didn't know that enthusiast meant possessed fanatic who has an endless amount of time to surf the internet and read Chiltons to become an all-knowing demi-god on maximas. That's not me so I suppose I don't belong here. I'm out.

Look kido, this isn't working out for you. Just stop and try a different tactic.
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Originally Posted by Joe Fontinyatz
Are you reffering to this "VQ swap"?
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=315108

Anybody ever get proof of it's existance?






Old Aug 28, 2005 | 11:15 AM
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AFAIK, that is all the proof we have ever seen. No one was able to make contact and get an real details, IIRC...
Old Aug 28, 2005 | 11:18 AM
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AFAIK, that is all the proof we have ever seen. No one was able to make contact and get an real details, IIRC...
What more proof do you need? Oh wait, you want this guy to spell it out for and do the work for you?
Old Aug 28, 2005 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by maximutt
Wow. Taking yourselves a little seriously around here. What's wrong with asking some questions or having a little fun. Who really cares if the guy wants to drop a VG in his car. If that's what he wants why not help him out with some knowledge however stupid you think it may be. And sorry if asking if you can drop a VQ in a VG is such an asinine question. A simple no would suffice.
quite the contrary. i don't give a **** about who posts what no matter what it is. or how naive it is. i chimed in with fanstasy swap things too, if you read my posts.

a good rule of thumb is to have an ace in the hole to trump the resident expert whos on a high horse. kill them with kindness.
Old Aug 28, 2005 | 06:36 PM
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What more proof do you need? Oh wait, you want this guy to spell it out for and do the work for you?
I seen those pics already.
How do you know he didn't just place it in there,
stick a few hoses around it and have a
few bricks holding it up from the bottom?
I wouldn't ask until skimming through the whole thread.
And while skimming, I noticed nobody
made any contact with the guy
nor any proof was ever given that it actually runs.
Thats why I asked. There were speculations of
it being photoshopped as well, which I don't
really believe, but regardless,
to my knowledge it hasn't been
seen by any org member except a
nice individual coming on saying it was
his and hes selling it. If you wanna call
that proof, sure why not. But that just ain't cutting it for me.
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yeah. i remember that whole scandal. i think it was about 2 years ago. the photos were blurred, like you'd see in a "bigfoot sighting." and it was a GXE. and the guy never followed up on additional pics. i think it was a put-on. b.s. never heard about since.



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