terry'94se

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Anybody on here done this yet?

goon9

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yes, read the past threads, their not even a couple pages back....

Mattster

The title of the topic is 56k warning no joke.

terry'94se

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Im about to start a swap of my own and want some info. I have a running donor car that was rear-ended(a 95 se 5-spd). I have all the parts to make this work but Im just trying to figure out the best way to do this, If anyone can give me some USEFUL info please feel free to post it up.

Oh yeah, btw this is going into a 92 se 5-spd

maxitech

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You'd be better off swapping it into a 4th gen or finding a 3rd gen 5-speed

terry'94se

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Why would I be better off? This is what I didn't want to happen...people getting on here and posting BS like that....I have everything needed to make this work and one way or another this motor will be in this car and running well. If I have to use the whole wiring harness and 4th gen guage cluster I will, but Im checking to see if there is an easier way first like making this motor run on VE30DE engine management....has anyone done this?

goon9

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Think about it. Different generation. You have to swap out the whole wiring system.

I havn't done it, I'm looking into doing the same as soon I get a donor.

Their are a couple recent ppl with vq's, but they don't know crap about it first hand. They had a shop do it. Not to say it's wrong to have a shop do it. But they didn't do it themselves....

terry'94se

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Ive thought about it. What alot of people don't realize is that things do not have to "bolt on" to work. If I have to do any fabbing or welding...it will be done.

clive

You didn't say why you wanted to do this swap.
If it is just for HP, then it would be a lot easier and more elegant to put a turbo on the existing motor, SOHC even, it matters not with a blower.
The thought of having to change the computer system, wiring harness, etc etc etc and will the gen 3 axles fit the gen 4 trannie, and so on and so forth? I suppose if this is a labour of love, you can do anything...

terry'94se

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This car needed a motor and tranny, and a friend of mine picked up this totaled(hit in rear) 95 maxima se 5spd for CHEAP...so I am doing this for him.

Also the motor/tranny have only 60,000 miles

for the axles I will try to use 4th gen inner spline and 3rd gen outer...if for some reason the cv joint ends up being different...I know a shop that can make them for me for around $150

This engine is also more reliable and does not have problems with lifter or timing noise. And even if something did happen to this engine, they are very easy to find and cheap as well

shavedmax

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the guy that had done used an AE 5th gen engine mated to a 4th gen trans. he used the 4th gen wiring and computer. i dont see it being difficult so long as you can get each wire to swap over properly. no one has thought about just using the 4th gen suspension(front knuckle, strut). i think its pretty much bolt on, and alot easier than having to rebuild axles. that's what i'll do when i try to do it

Alex_V

Terry- Have you looked into megasquirt(.info)? Its really cool and you can tune timing and fuel.

GL with the project, ignore the flamers, look at my sig and you'll see I have first hand experiance too lol.

~Alex

VEvolution

Enjoy... http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=448076

terry'94se

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I looked into that as well but the kid Im doing this for doesn't have alot of money at the time but will probably do some mods later...but like I said I have a driveable parts car right now so I have all the parts to make this work.

Found out that the VQ actually has more tq than the VE at 205 ftlbs

VEvolution

Check again and find out that it's slower than the VE up top and does the 1/4 in only .02 sec faster, after which the VE makes it look like the older engine. All that engine is, is lighter. Thats the only real reason to be doing this swap.

terry'94se

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I have a stillen intake, warpspeed y-pipe on my 94 se 5spd and my buddys 95 se 5-spd with an intake hangs with me ok but I pull a car length on him by the end of 2nd and after 100mph say bye bye to the 3rd gen!

dmontzsta

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So why do you want to spend a couple grand for .2 tenths? I would rather dump that money into boost, if you need the power.

terry'94se

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This is for a friend of mine and he picked up a rear ended 96 se 5spd for 500 bucks...that is why

todamax

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There are cams and 'bolt on' forced induction solututions for the VQ, neither of which are available for the VE. Not taht this is a reason...

shavedmax

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do it and give us your feedback as you go along....

bansheenomore

I was thinking of doing the exact opposite!!! I have a 93 with 80000 miles and new VTCs. Only drove it a week after the VTCs, then rolled it end for end. I now have the chance to buy a 96 GLE with bad timing chain. Car stopped running. Now wont start.

Wanna Trade engines!?!?!? I can't find a nice enough 93 for the engine. Mine was literally flawless!!!

nismosleeper

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The only problems with the swap will be axles fitment and mounts. Just look at the differences in the engine bays, and weld or drill and tap it so that the 95 crossmember or whatever it has works. Wiring is not a problem, just swap over everything...good luck. This is a lot cheaper than boosting, and is a major leap in feasable 3rd gen swaps, as hopefully after completion, you can share with us your first-hand knowledge...

VEvolution

I find that very hard to believe since the VQ gets weak after about 5k, while the VE is still pulling strong. I've raced a friends perfect running stock 98'SE auto with my worn stock VE 5spd, and because of my poor manual skills at the time, he actually hung with me till my 3rd gear. Once come 3rd, he lost by at least 2 car lengths. But after all that, I drove both cars(5spd), and I can see and feel the difference. Before looking at hp/tq numbers, I would look at how both engines are built.

terry'94se

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I don't know what to tell you man, I do have it on video though. I bought this car when I was in high school had 127k miles, put the stillen intake on it and went 15.2 at 93 mph. Put the warpspeed y-pipe on and felt a big difference! With a clutch well on its way out(couldnt even spin tries anyomore) I ran the car again 15.2 at 94. Now with the ACT clucth my friends golf vr6 that runs 14.7 we are dead even 0-100mph. I just rolled over 194k miles, and it is still a awesome highway car....I will put a pic of that in my sig

terry'94se

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....I will put a pic of that in my sig

Cliff Clavin

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I think the cars/engines are very comparable. The VE might be just a little better with basic bolt ons, but when you completely mod an N/A VQ30, it's faster. A 4th gen 5-speed with an MEVI and JWT (along with y and intake) will outrun a VE 5-speed with the same bolt ons. Go ahead and look at the 1/4 mile times in the racing forum. There are a lot of 4th gens in the low to mid 14s and the best VEs, other than that freak Aaron are all in the upper 14s.

There are several NW guys that have run at the track on the same days and I have the fastest N/A car, but I have a few more mods than the others. I think the 4th gen guys all had intakes and y-pipes at least.

Another nice thing about the VQ (aside from no VTC problems) is you can get a bolt on supercharger for it.

If I were to do a swap into a 3rd gen, I would definitely look to tilley and his hybrid 3.5L swap that is being done into the 4th gens now.

Since it looks like terry is getting all of these donor parts on the cheap, I would just do the best you can and get everything together, then maybe save up for a supercharger.

terry'94se

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Yeah, I love my VE but I have moved on to other things here recently(03 jetta Gli....in process of swapping a r32 motor in it...should be around 300 N/A hp) but I have thought about coming back to build a sick max...been thinking maybe VQ swap in 3rd gen....standalone ecu, huge turbo..prob. GT40R, maybe a 30 shot as well like Hal did on his, and just see what happens VQ's are so available...might as well blow em up, right? no sense spending tons of money on a motor with forged bottom end and then worry about what happens to it.

Anyone happen to know what is lighter 3rd or 4th gen?

nismosleeper

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4th gen by about 137 lbs, but I know which one is sexier...

VEvolution

Only cause of the VQ right? Without engines, the 3rd gen is lighter, right?

terry'94se

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That right there is my question behind the question....anybody know?

I plan on taking the engine+tranny out tonight after I get off work, so Ill have an update tommorrow

Jeff92se

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VE30DE = iron block.
VQ30 = aluminum block

About 100lb difference.

internetautomar

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a 3rd gen w/o ABS w/o sunroof w/o airbag w/a stick w/ a VQ FTW!!

terry'94se

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I guess I meant the weight of the cars....anybody know this?
I know I saw hal weigh his 4th at 2840lbs but was this right?

nismosleeper

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I can weigh my car at about that, that doesn't mean that I'm a the normal weight of a 3rd gen...
3001lbs 4th gen
3129lbs 3rd gen
Google is your friend.

505max94se

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I just weighed my new ve5 with a FULL tank of gas and no spare or peaople in it and the scale said 3300??

EDIT: w/o ABS, w/sunroof, w/heavy 18's, w/heavy bbk

Jeff92se

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I think gas weighs 8lb / gal. so full tank 18 gal x 8 = 144 lbs.

3300-144=3156. And yes, the cobra rotors/18" Z wheels will make a measurable difference.

505max94se

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That's exactly what I thought, just wasn't sure if the curb weight was measure with fuel or not.

With a friend (170lbs) and I (180lbs) it weighed 3650.

terry'94se

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Well I was a little lazy last night and didn't go pick up the engine hoist from a friend....but disconnected everything and motor/tranny is ready to come out, all thats holding it is the mounts

VEvolution

Thats nuts. I knew these cars are capable of 150mph or more. What mods did you have at the time? Simply amazing...

Got pics?

terry'94se

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I have a better pic than that during the day as well! with the needle buried!

Ill put them up tommorrow!!

Oh yeah, that is with intake and y-pipe