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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 10:58 PM
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Lack of low end power

I find when the car is cold, it pulls like a champ, but when it warms up, it hesitates and really has a lack of power up to about 3000RPM. It always idles fine. To add to it, the problem is intermittent... I'd say about 80% of the time.

I have new plugs, new fuel filter, air filter, oil filter/synthetic, recently replaced left VTC, left exhaust studs. Two month old battery, alternator, starter.

The problem has been around for a while now, it's really annoying, as I typically don't rev my engine too high, so the lack of low end torque and power is really starting to bug me. Anyone have any ideas? Could it be the ignition coils?
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Replace your knock sensor....
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Could a Knock sensor be the culprit of bad gas milage? I also notice on hot days the car just doesn't have that low end torque off the line like it does say... early in the morning or at night. I recently got my transmission replaced about 3000 miles ago and sometimes feel a surge, or sudden vibration coming from the front of the car when going up hills, or even sometimes when at a consistent speed. Could this be a faulty knock sensor?

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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 11:59 AM
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Could a Knock sensor be the culprit of bad gas milage? I also notice on hot days the car just doesn't have that low end torque off the line like it does say... early in the morning or at night. I recently got my transmission replaced about 3000 miles ago and sometimes feel a surge, or sudden vibration coming from the front of the car when going up hills, or even sometimes when at a consistent speed. Could this be a faulty knock sensor?

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That sounds like maybe you needs a tune up..
Old Sep 7, 2006 | 12:17 PM
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Any advice on replacing the knock sensor on a VG? I know where it is and everything, but is there any easy way to get it out?
Old Sep 7, 2006 | 12:54 PM
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94 VG

Just did a tune up less than a thousand Miles ago. Everything and then some. Oil Change, Cleaned EGR, Throttle Body, Custom CAI, New o2, All usual tune up parts including filters, plugs, and wires etc. Checked for exhaust leak found none. Seafoamed, Marvel Mystery Gas Additive. All same size tires, recent alignment job, new transmission. Running out of things that could be it here. Just can't find why I'm getting so poor of gas milage. Pulling my hair out trying to figure out it...
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 01:42 PM
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Hey could a knock sensor still be bad if theres continuity in the plug? I know the ECU might not throw out codes..

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94 VG

Just did a tune up less than a thousand Miles ago. Everything and then some. Oil Change, Cleaned EGR, Throttle Body, Custom CAI, New o2, All usual tune up parts including filters, plugs, and wires etc. Checked for exhaust leak found none. Seafoamed, Marvel Mystery Gas Additive. All same size tires, recent alignment job, new transmission. Running out of things that could be it here. Just can't find why I'm getting so poor of gas milage. Pulling my hair out trying to figure out it...
How much MPG are you getting and whats your driving style?
Old Sep 7, 2006 | 01:44 PM
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O2 sensor?
Old Sep 7, 2006 | 01:51 PM
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first thing you should do is check for codes. This isn't a guarantee because sometimes a sensor could be bad and it still doesn't show up. It is a simple way to start. Dig through the stickies and you should be able to figure this out.

lack of power, especially when the car is warm is often the knock sensor. When my KS was going out, after about 45 minutes of driving, there was a noticeable decrease in power.

Jeff mentioned the o2 sensor, which usually hurts power and fuel economy.

hesitation on the VE engine is usually caused by coil packs. Either one or several might be cracked or internally malfunctioning.
Old Sep 7, 2006 | 02:46 PM
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Thanks for all the good info guys... it does look like it's the knock sensor. I have disconnected it to test (I'm running 92 octane so I should be safe from knocking), and it does feel like a noticeable difference in power, especially in the low end. I'm gonna leave it disconnected for a couple of days just to make sure. If I do need to replace it, is it pretty easy, or do you need to take the intake manifold off (I really hope not)?
Old Sep 7, 2006 | 02:48 PM
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Upper and lower manifolds have to come off. You'll choke when you price out the lower manifold gaskets.
Old Sep 7, 2006 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mszilves
Thanks for all the good info guys... it does look like it's the knock sensor. I have disconnected it to test (I'm running 92 octane so I should be safe from knocking), and it does feel like a noticeable difference in power, especially in the low end. I'm gonna leave it disconnected for a couple of days just to make sure. If I do need to replace it, is it pretty easy, or do you need to take the intake manifold off (I really hope not)?
I heard it can still knock if you use the right gas
Old Sep 7, 2006 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 94maxshima
94 VG

Just did a tune up less than a thousand Miles ago. Everything and then some. Oil Change, Cleaned EGR, Throttle Body, Custom CAI, New o2
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Got a new o2 VERY short while ago, I'll probably take it to autozone or something and try to get it to throw some codes. Hmm.... Think I'm going to gut my catalytic converter as well...

Also, I don't drive very hard at all, pretty casual usually but I'll occasionally get on it if I'm merging or something. Gas Milage is around 270 to a tank city/highway mix.
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 91-Maxima-SE
Any advice on replacing the knock sensor on a VG? I know where it is and everything, but is there any easy way to get it out?
Ok, so I guess not then...
Old Sep 7, 2006 | 05:44 PM
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Ok, so I guess not then...

There is no easy way to get to it...It's a very small area to work in...


Unless you are sure it is bad,then don't mess with it...
Old Sep 7, 2006 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mszilves
Thanks for all the good info guys... it does look like it's the knock sensor. I have disconnected it to test (I'm running 92 octane so I should be safe from knocking), and it does feel like a noticeable difference in power, especially in the low end. I'm gonna leave it disconnected for a couple of days just to make sure. If I do need to replace it, is it pretty easy, or do you need to take the intake manifold off (I really hope not)?
Here's a link to a good knock sensor replacement writeup. It shows what you're up against to replace this knock sensor. After reading this the lack of power might not be as bad as you first thought. http://www.4dsc.com/articles/drivetr...k_sensor.shtml
Old Sep 7, 2006 | 06:08 PM
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There is no easy way to get to it...It's a very small area to work in...


Unless you are sure it is bad,then don't mess with it...
Ok, I do know its bad, but I was thinking of just getting another wiring harness and KS and zip-tying it to a stationary hose or something.
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Old Sep 7, 2006 | 08:41 PM
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what should a ve k.s read?mines 0.555 m ohms on a digital multimeter
Old Sep 7, 2006 | 09:42 PM
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The knock sensor looks expensive to replace due to the labor involved. Anyone know a ballpark price to get this done at a shop?
Old Sep 7, 2006 | 09:58 PM
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... Think I'm going to gut my catalytic converter as well...
Uh yea....dont! It will loose power and its really bad for the environment. Its wont gain you any power and its illegal. Just leave it as is unless its colgged. Only then should you gut it, but get a new one. I did on mine since it was clogged (smelled like rotten eggs) and Im definitly down on some low end power.

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Old Sep 8, 2006 | 10:29 AM
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Uh yea....dont! It will loose power and its really bad for the environment. Its wont gain you any power and its illegal. Just leave it as is unless its colgged. Only then should you gut it, but get a new one. I did on mine since it was clogged (smelled like rotten eggs) and Im definitly down on some low end power.

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Well I'm just trying to figure out why I'm getting bad gas milage. Hmm, You lost some low end torque on it? Hmm... doesn't it just let the exhaust flow more freely?
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Old Sep 8, 2006 | 10:34 AM
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Well I'm just trying to figure out why I'm getting bad gas milage. Hmm, You lost some low end torque on it? Hmm... doesn't it just let the exhaust flow more freely?
Gutting/removing the cat will NOT increase power at all,infact it will decrease power..Modern engines are designed to need some exhaust back pressure to perform at their best.....


You probably need a new o2 sensor and/or have a bad injector or 2...These problems are the leading cause of poor gas mileage for these cars....
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Gutting cat = ricer exhaust sound + now you get to buy a new one to replace the one you just ruined.
Old Sep 10, 2006 | 08:44 AM
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Is there a way to bypass the knock sensor? I remember something about using a 500K resistor.
Old Sep 11, 2006 | 04:39 AM
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Is there a way to bypass the knock sensor? I remember something about using a 500K resistor.
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Old Sep 12, 2006 | 02:27 AM
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hmm, I think I want to replace my KS..are there any write ups for that since I only saw the one for the VE?
Old Sep 12, 2006 | 10:03 AM
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hmm, I think I want to replace my KS..are there any write ups for that since I only saw the one for the VE?
Im pretty sure the idea is just about the same..
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Im pretty sure the idea is just about the same..
the VG has it behind the rear exhaust manifold.
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what?! are you serious. I was thinking of replacing that on my 89...
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hmm, that doesnt seem to bad now does it?
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hmm, that doesnt seem to bad now does it?
Says the man with leaking tranny seals...
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