Best Performance Upgrade
There have been so many threads about this..consider donating and search for less thread redundancy 
Anyway yea I also heard the WS Y Pipe was the best bang for the buck but I wouldn't know as I dont have one.What IS the price on a WS y pipe?

Anyway yea I also heard the WS Y Pipe was the best bang for the buck but I wouldn't know as I dont have one.What IS the price on a WS y pipe?
When dealing with our boats, the best bang for the buck would be suspension mods. You can get aftermarket springs delivered to your door for less than $150. I installed a set of Ksport springs and new struts on a friends 89 GXE and he couldn't be more happy of the results.
Originally Posted by CandiMan
I installed a set of Ksport springs and new struts on a friends 89 GXE and he could be more happy of the results.

ksport springs have a 2.2" drop in the front!
Did you drive/ride in it after the drop? Was it rough?
Originally Posted by MyGreenMax94

Them springs have a 2.2" drop in the front!
Did you drive/ride in it after the drop? Was it rough?
Originally Posted by CandiMan
Yes and no. At the time of the install we didn't have much time so I didn't bother breaking out the camera or tape measure to verify before and after. It wasn't a even drop, the front drop lower than the rear but it wasn't that noticeable.
Yeah,they advertise a 2.2" in the front/2" rear...
I am going to ditch my sprint springs next month for some eibach's,i love how the sprints look,but the ride is just horrible..
Originally Posted by MyGreenMax94
Yeah,they advertise a 2.2" in the front/2" rear...
I am going to ditch my sprint springs next month for some eibach's,i love how the sprints look,but the ride is just horrible..
I am going to ditch my sprint springs next month for some eibach's,i love how the sprints look,but the ride is just horrible..

Originally Posted by CandiMan
I had Eibachs and Tokico's for a few years, but after moving to Florida I wanted something lower than Eibachs so I installed Sprints. The Sprints ride fine to me and it's been too long for me to give a fair comparison between Eibachs and Sprints. When I installed my Sprints I also installed Koni's at the same time so maybe that had something to do with my ride quality.
I also want koni's,but $600 is just too steep for me

I am thinking Eibach/tokico for me?
B&G makes a GREAT set of springs. They're more than ibach, less than intrax, and are progressive, so they maintain ultimate preformance. I LOVE my set and can't speak more highly of them.
My favorite mods:
-Light weight wheels, with sticky tires
-UDP and fidanza flywheel
-BBK (makes you feel very confident while driving)
-Poly motor mounts
-ACT clutch
I would say some suspension mods, but honestly if you upgrade suspension do ALL of it and DO it right $$$
-Light weight wheels, with sticky tires
-UDP and fidanza flywheel
-BBK (makes you feel very confident while driving)
-Poly motor mounts
-ACT clutch
I would say some suspension mods, but honestly if you upgrade suspension do ALL of it and DO it right $$$
Originally Posted by 505max94se
My favorite mods:
-Light weight wheels, with sticky tires
-UDP and fidanza flywheel
-BBK (makes you feel very confident while driving)
-Poly motor mounts
-ACT clutch
I would say some suspension mods, but honestly if you upgrade suspension do ALL of it and DO it right $$$
-Light weight wheels, with sticky tires
-UDP and fidanza flywheel
-BBK (makes you feel very confident while driving)
-Poly motor mounts
-ACT clutch
I would say some suspension mods, but honestly if you upgrade suspension do ALL of it and DO it right $$$
Unfortunately thats still not cost efficient like the original thread asks but you pretty much listed the mods I'd do if I had a 5speed or once I convert mine when my auto goes out of warranty and is bad
Originally Posted by 505max94se
My favorite mods:
-Light weight wheels, with sticky tires
-UDP and fidanza flywheel
-BBK (makes you feel very confident while driving)
-Poly motor mounts
-ACT clutch
I would say some suspension mods, but honestly if you upgrade suspension do ALL of it and DO it right $$$
-Light weight wheels, with sticky tires
-UDP and fidanza flywheel
-BBK (makes you feel very confident while driving)
-Poly motor mounts
-ACT clutch
I would say some suspension mods, but honestly if you upgrade suspension do ALL of it and DO it right $$$
My vote is for the y-pipe. Not too expensive, easy to install (or cheap at a shop, around $50) and noticeable gains.
Best significant mods to do (in order, based on cost):
Y-pipe (~$200)
Springs and struts (~$500) Eibachs and KYBs or Tokicos
UDP (~$150 w/new belts)
Wheels and tires ($800+ new -- way more for upgrades)
Fidanza/ACT or Exedy (~$600) might as well do both at the same time
These are the proven basics, along with weight reduction anywhere you can find it.
After that, it gets more advanced:
Turbo ($$$$ and know how)
BBK (I don't have this, but it was on my list)
Other mods like suspension upgrades (Blehmco stuff, etc)
JWT ECU (~$600)
Anything Aaron does to drop into the 13s...
Originally Posted by Cliff Clavin
This is the best post in this thread.
My vote is for the y-pipe. Not too expensive, easy to install (or cheap at a shop, around $50) and noticeable gains.
Best significant mods to do (in order, based on cost):
Y-pipe (~$200)
Springs and struts (~$500) Eibachs and KYBs or Tokicos
UDP (~$150 w/new belts)
Wheels and tires ($800+ new -- way more for upgrades)
Fidanza/ACT or Exedy (~$600) might as well do both at the same time
These are the proven basics, along with weight reduction anywhere you can find it.
After that, it gets more advanced:
Turbo ($$$$ and know how)
BBK (I don't have this, but it was on my list)
Other mods like suspension upgrades (Blehmco stuff, etc)
JWT ECU (~$600)
Anything Aaron does to drop into the 13s...
My vote is for the y-pipe. Not too expensive, easy to install (or cheap at a shop, around $50) and noticeable gains.
Best significant mods to do (in order, based on cost):
Y-pipe (~$200)
Springs and struts (~$500) Eibachs and KYBs or Tokicos
UDP (~$150 w/new belts)
Wheels and tires ($800+ new -- way more for upgrades)
Fidanza/ACT or Exedy (~$600) might as well do both at the same time
These are the proven basics, along with weight reduction anywhere you can find it.
After that, it gets more advanced:
Turbo ($$$$ and know how)
BBK (I don't have this, but it was on my list)
Other mods like suspension upgrades (Blehmco stuff, etc)
JWT ECU (~$600)
Anything Aaron does to drop into the 13s...

$150 for UDP and BELTS? thats the cheapest I've heard of cuz the UDP alone I've seen for 180..where did you get that price with belts?
Originally Posted by ColombianMax
$150 for UDP and BELTS? thats the cheapest I've heard of cuz the UDP alone I've seen for 180..where did you get that price with belts?
VG
Originally Posted by ColombianMax
$150 for UDP and BELTS? thats the cheapest I've heard of cuz the UDP alone I've seen for 180..where did you get that price with belts?
I actually got my UDP much cheaper used.
I have Gatorback belts, I think they were a little more than the NAPA ones.
I am very happy with the suspension mods and they are very noticeable, but I think "bang for the buck" is easily the Y-pipe. IMO, this should be the first mod you do, after making sure all maintenance is taken care of. It also helped my mpg. My car gets better mpg modded than it did stock.
The suspension is really only a big issue if you are an aggressive driver or plan on driving really hard. The stock suspension is actually decent for a sedan. The Y-pipe helps in everyday driving.
Originally Posted by Cliff Clavin
Brand new ASP UDP is $125 shipped (?). Belts are around $30 from NAPA.
I actually got my UDP much cheaper used.
I have Gatorback belts, I think they were a little more than the NAPA ones.
I am very happy with the suspension mods and they are very noticeable, but I think "bang for the buck" is easily the Y-pipe. IMO, this should be the first mod you do, after making sure all maintenance is taken care of. It also helped my mpg. My car gets better mpg modded than it did stock.
The suspension is really only a big issue if you are an aggressive driver or plan on driving really hard. The stock suspension is actually decent for a sedan. The Y-pipe helps in everyday driving.
I actually got my UDP much cheaper used.
I have Gatorback belts, I think they were a little more than the NAPA ones.
I am very happy with the suspension mods and they are very noticeable, but I think "bang for the buck" is easily the Y-pipe. IMO, this should be the first mod you do, after making sure all maintenance is taken care of. It also helped my mpg. My car gets better mpg modded than it did stock.
The suspension is really only a big issue if you are an aggressive driver or plan on driving really hard. The stock suspension is actually decent for a sedan. The Y-pipe helps in everyday driving.
my current one was $75 brand new without belts
bought from a private party though.
Originally Posted by Cliff Clavin
Anything Aaron does to drop into the 13s...

Bolt ons, free port work, and lots of weight reduction will get anybody in the 13s for CHEAP.But the single best Go-Fast mod for the VE is definitely the WSP Ypipe! It's good for over 3 tenths in the 1/4 mile. The stock Ypipe has such a huge restriction! See for yourself:

I think this photo was courtesy of Chris91SE. And the bottom Ypipe is a Cattman, which has a tighter radius bend. The WSP is a slightly better design. But you get the point.
The next best cost efficient mod is the ASP UDP. It's good for 2 tenths in the 1/4 mile and costs $110 plus $30 for belts. Summit Racing has it for cheap. It's a little tricky finding the correct part. The part number when I ordered it from Summit was "ASP339800". That should help some people!

After thos two mods, the next best most cost efficient upgrades would be an exhaust cutout, DIY intake and exhaust port work, and phenolic intake spacers. They are all cheap and offer awesome power gains!
Oh and there's no beating the added power of weight reduction!
Guys,
I don't want to hijack the thread, but I can't post new threads yet...
Just wondering if anyone has measured the gains of a Y-pipe on the VG? I know I am probably just being too sceptical, but I purchased a FSTB a few years back after reading several people raved about them, and I was very disappointed when I found no noticeable improvement.
Also, I currently have a 2.25" cat back system, which I find a bit 'drony' at times. Does the Y-Pipe increase exhaust drone or noise, and if it does, is there any manufacturer that is quieter than others without sacrificing too much performance?
Sorry about all the questions, but I am in Australia, and will need to import a Y-pipe, which isn't particularly cheap to do.
Thanks.
Greg.
I don't want to hijack the thread, but I can't post new threads yet...
Just wondering if anyone has measured the gains of a Y-pipe on the VG? I know I am probably just being too sceptical, but I purchased a FSTB a few years back after reading several people raved about them, and I was very disappointed when I found no noticeable improvement.
Also, I currently have a 2.25" cat back system, which I find a bit 'drony' at times. Does the Y-Pipe increase exhaust drone or noise, and if it does, is there any manufacturer that is quieter than others without sacrificing too much performance?
Sorry about all the questions, but I am in Australia, and will need to import a Y-pipe, which isn't particularly cheap to do.
Thanks.
Greg.
Originally Posted by sonicii
Guys,
I don't want to hijack the thread, but I can't post new threads yet...
Just wondering if anyone has measured the gains of a Y-pipe on the VG? I know I am probably just being too sceptical, but I purchased a FSTB a few years back after reading several people raved about them, and I was very disappointed when I found no noticeable improvement.
Also, I currently have a 2.25" cat back system, which I find a bit 'drony' at times. Does the Y-Pipe increase exhaust drone or noise, and if it does, is there any manufacturer that is quieter than others without sacrificing too much performance?
Sorry about all the questions, but I am in Australia, and will need to import a Y-pipe, which isn't particularly cheap to do.
Thanks.
Greg.
I don't want to hijack the thread, but I can't post new threads yet...
Just wondering if anyone has measured the gains of a Y-pipe on the VG? I know I am probably just being too sceptical, but I purchased a FSTB a few years back after reading several people raved about them, and I was very disappointed when I found no noticeable improvement.
Also, I currently have a 2.25" cat back system, which I find a bit 'drony' at times. Does the Y-Pipe increase exhaust drone or noise, and if it does, is there any manufacturer that is quieter than others without sacrificing too much performance?
Sorry about all the questions, but I am in Australia, and will need to import a Y-pipe, which isn't particularly cheap to do.
Thanks.
Greg.
Originally Posted by jlars205
I see that most people recommend a y-pipe, but how much would replacing the rest of the exhaust help (cat, muffler, etc.)? Efficient cost-wise or no?
You might hear a slightly deeper tone come from the stock muffler with the WSP Ypipe, but it won't be any louder.
sonicii, the gains of the VG Ypipe are about the same as the VE Ypipe. Both have the same restriction and both yield over a 10hp increase in power. It's definitely a good purchase! Get one!
And the FSTB doesn't help a lot. Most people won't notice the increase in handling with that mod alone. I don't know how you were hearing that from, but it's not suppose to give a huge gain. It's just one more thing you can do to help chasis stiffness. And it's CHEAP (<$20 from eBay), that's why most people have one.
If you already have a loud muffler, the WSP Ypipe might make it a slightly deeper tone. It should get slightly louder too. As for that drone, that's just come with the territory of having that freakin loud exhaust. The only way to help that nasty ricey sound is to get a better muffler or add resonators in the Bpipe to help tone it down a bit. Also, having a stock catalytic converter helps get rid of the drone since it acts as a resonator/muffler too.



