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Old 11-12-2008, 10:01 AM
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Throttle Problems?

My 92 VE has been acting up for awhile now. It's very intermittent, actually random describes it better. But, they way it acts when does act up I think it;s the TPS (Throttle Position Sensor) Because, it will accelerate fine one minute, and then just nose over as if I have taken my foot completely off the throttle. And, sometimes it will "buck" in a sense. Kinda like im just stompin on the gas. As if Throttle, Off, Throttle, Off, etc. And does it bad enough occasionally that tires will bark if it's in first. It's a 5spd btw. And there are some instaces that it will just die. The tach will drop say from 2200 to 0. Just blam in an instant but I know the car is still runnin because I'll be cruising at 60 when it happens and the car will layover. That I believe is the Cam Sensor. Those are just my theoires. Any other help at all would be very much appreciated.
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Originally Posted by 94se5spd
... tach will drop say from 2200 to 0. Just blam in an instant ...
Beyond my minuscle imagination - how that happens in a M/T ... schreeching halt as engine jams?

Whatever, acting MAF can cause such problems. Easy to swap/tst.
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The engine's not locking up which leads me to beileve that whatever is controlling the tach is whats causing the problem. But, the MAF was replaced in January of this year. It's only got about 6,000 miles on it.
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how's the idle when you're not moving?
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does the speedometer also drop when the tach does? or just the tach and everything else stays normal?
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Could be one or a few of several things..

1. Cracked/Bad front coil packs.

2. Bad maf, or a loose maf harness connector.( Check the female connectors on the harness for loosness, smash them down a little if they are)

3. Intermittently failing power transistor unit.

4. Bad knock sensor causing a short in the electrical system(long shot)

5. Intermittently failing Cam position sensor.


Great thread to read---> http://forums.maxima.org/3rd-generat...g-problem.html
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Originally Posted by DanNY
how's the idle when you're not moving?
It idle's funny too. Like sittin at a light the car will bog down as if it's going to die but compensates at the last second and keeps runnin. We cleaned the IAC and it helped alittle. However, sometimes it will just die while idling. It's rare though. I used an Analog Voltmeter on the TPS and it tested fine. But, whatever is causing it is very intermittent. Some days it will go all day without acting up at all. Others, you'd think it was on the rag.
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Originally Posted by CapedCadaver
does the speedometer also drop when the tach does? or just the tach and everything else stays normal?
No, the tach is the only thing that drops. And if I'm moving (which i always am when it does this) can push the clutch in and wait a second then all the warning lights come on. (Battery, Oil, etc.) Indicating that the motor has actually died.
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Originally Posted by 94se5spd
It idle's funny too. Like sittin at a light the car will bog down as if it's going to die but compensates at the last second and keeps runnin. We cleaned the IAC and it helped alittle. However, sometimes it will just die while idling. It's rare though. I used an Analog Voltmeter on the TPS and it tested fine. But, whatever is causing it is very intermittent. Some days it will go all day without acting up at all. Others, you'd think it was on the rag.
i would go w/ what greeny pointed out
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+ check ur spark plugs....
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After it dies, do it start right back up no problem?
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Originally Posted by mmg23max
After it dies, do it start right back up no problem?
Most of the time but not always. There's been once or twice it's taken three tries to start back.
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This is a little off subject but, is there a replacement interval on the timing chain?
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Originally Posted by 94se5spd
This is a little off subject but, is there a replacement interval on the timing chain?
No, the chain will last the lifetime of the engine.

The chain tensioners will get sloppy after many miles though, but tensioners will not cause your current issues.
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Originally Posted by Greeny
No, the chain will last the lifetime of the engine.

The chain tensioners will get sloppy after many miles though, but tensioners will not cause your current issues.
I didn't figure they would. Are they hard or expensive to replace?
(Tensioners)
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Old 11-14-2008, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 94se5spd
I didn't figure they would. ...
When chain jumps, the engine life has end dead. In the 80's they found a bright solution - the belt. No more breakin chains, they said... (I guess theres plenty of threads here on this issue)
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Originally Posted by 94se5spd
No, the tach is the only thing that drops. And if I'm moving (which i always am when it does this) can push the clutch in and wait a second then all the warning lights come on. (Battery, Oil, etc.) Indicating that the motor has actually died.
o ok. i was thinking perhaps you had a bad IGN relay or ignition switch (cutting power to ignition, fuel pump, injectors, ecu, speed sensor, etc) but if the speedo stays up then it can't be either of those.
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Originally Posted by CapedCadaver
o ok. i was thinking perhaps you had a bad IGN relay or ignition switch (cutting power to ignition, fuel pump, injectors, ecu, speed sensor, etc) but if the speedo stays up then it can't be either of those.
The trouble(s) lurk(s) between those issues in the troubleshooting tree.

Cant be:
- some six simultaneous whatever,
- gas pressure as the problem is sudden,
- the top supply as u say already.

What is left: ECU (as THE driver for all simultaneous six), connectors, harness...


EDIT: Once in a lifetime theres only one instance where six smtg can die simultaneously, ALL at once. Plug called the BOSCH

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Tensioners arent too bad to replace I replaced them myself depending on how mechanically inclined you are.
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Originally Posted by Wiking
The trouble(s) lurk(s) between those issues in the troubleshooting tree.

Cant be:
- some six simultaneous whatever,
- gas pressure as the problem is sudden,
- the top supply as u say already.

What is left: ECU (as THE driver for all simultaneous six), connectors, harness...


EDIT: Once in a lifetime theres only one instance where six smtg can die simultaneously, ALL at once. Plug called the BOSCH
See I have thought it was the computer but I guess had decided to rule it out. I know 3rd gens are bad about not setting CEL's. Do you think thats why it hasn't set one?
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Originally Posted by 94se5spd
See I have thought it was the computer but I guess had decided to rule it out. I know 3rd gens are bad about not setting CEL's. Do you think thats why it hasn't set one?
I guess the possibilities are listed on posts above. If its intermittent, then only parts swapping will get it... Start from voltage/gnd/connector/signal checkups.

I have had /intentionally caused many kinds of error situations - never seen ECU to inform me on anything. Only time I have seen CEL blink is on video on this link http://forums.maxima.org/3rd-generat...ng-poorly.html

Bad ign sw may kill engine, bad injector wont (but surely can take most pwr out)

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My money would be on the Cam pos sensor, it explains the loss of Tach and engine power without losing speedo. Most of the other things won't explain the loss of your tach
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crank or cam sensor also IMO...
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Originally Posted by CMax03
crank or cam sensor also IMO...
3rd gens ve or vg don't have a crank sensor, only a camshaft sensor.

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i would say coil packs, had the same prob when i bought my ve 5speed, it would buck and hesitate, i remember it dying one time as i was taking a turn and the pwr steering cut out, luckily i coasted into someones driveway, i also had the wrong plugs in there, or someone else did for that matter, also my packs had no cracks in them, so test them all and make sure your plugs are right and good and 3rd gens throwing a cel? ya right, i drove home from work one time with my maf and o2 unplugged, didnt even blink at me, its just for show

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Thank 's you guys for all your help. I really Appreciate it. Btw, is anybody using or know of anybody successfully using Nistune on 3rd Gens?

P.S. I noticed the other day that it seems to start doing it when it starts heating up. (Switching from Open to Closed loop)

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Originally Posted by 94se5spd
Thank 's you guys for all your help. I really Appreciate it. Btw, is anybody using or know of anybody successfully using Nistune on 3rd Gens?
http://forums.maxima.org/3rd-generat...g-nistune.html
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ya mine did it when heating up as well, electronics dont work as well with heat, cold is there friend and really sounds like coil packs, i have an extra set but you should ohm them and we can work something out if you need them, my extra set are crack free and test normal, let me know

i would really check the plugs as well, the sohc engine plugs are diff than the dohc and shouldnt be used, and most places dont seem to know the diff and think everything is interchangeable, well places here do anyway unless its a performance shop

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Originally Posted by PMAX08
ya mine did it when heating up as well, electronics dont work as well with heat, cold is there friend and really sounds like coil packs, i have an extra set but you should ohm them and we can work something out if you need them, my extra set are crack free and test normal, let me know

i would really check the plugs as well, the sohc engine plugs are diff than the dohc and shouldnt be used, and most places dont seem to know the diff and think everything is interchangeable, well places here do anyway unless its a performance shop

Well, it's got a set of spitfire platinums in it that my dad had in his 93 VE. They're about 8 or more years old and I cleaned them before I installed them but, they're may be something bad inside of them. I forgot to check the gap to before I installed them. So they maybe the culprit. When I get my next paycheck I'll try installing a set of NGK's
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Originally Posted by 94se5spd
Well, it's got a set of spitfire platinums in it that my dad had in his 93 VE. They're about 8 or more years old and I cleaned them before I installed them but, they're may be something bad inside of them. I forgot to check the gap to before I installed them. So they maybe the culprit. When I get my next paycheck I'll try installing a set of NGK's
get rid of the splitfires dude.....asap

NGK only for the maxima..
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Maxima's not like anything but NGK's?
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Originally Posted by 94se5spd
Maxima's not like anything but NGK's?
on the VE motor especially.

someday people will learn to use the correct plugs in a car. NOT whatever is "equivalent" or cheapest.
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Originally Posted by internetautomar
on the VE motor especially.

someday people will learn to use the correct plugs in a car. NOT whatever is "equivalent" or cheapest.
ngk coppers are cheap as hell anyways.. like $10 for all 6.
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Originally Posted by CapedCadaver
ngk coppers are cheap as hell anyways.. like $10 for all 6.
but bosch plugs are .99!! I can save $4 on them...
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Originally Posted by internetautomar
but bosch plugs are .99!! I can save $4 on them...
lawlsasaurus. instant gratification ftl. ibmostpeoplewaste$100worthofgaspertuneupbyusingbos chplugs
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Originally Posted by internetautomar
on the VE motor especially.

someday people will learn to use the correct plugs in a car. NOT whatever is "equivalent" or cheapest.
A set of Bosch platinums wouldn't work either?
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Originally Posted by 94se5spd
A set of Bosch platinums wouldn't work either?
Depends on what you mean by work.
they may destroy your coils.
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Originally Posted by 94se5spd
A set of Bosch platinums wouldn't work either?
How many effin people have to tell you something before you get the picture?


NGK!!
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Originally Posted by Greeny
How many effin people have to tell you something before you get the picture?


NGK!!
My bad
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Does the computer revert to Open loop when you unplug the Coolant sensor? And what sensors does it look at in Open loop?
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