Anyone Running Wider Than 225s?
Anyone Running Wider Than 225s?
Didnt want to ask this in the noob thread (since technically im not), but I was wondering if on the 3rd gen it was possible to run anything wider than 225s with maybe, wheel spacers or something?
Or maybe go a little extreme and roll the fenders and put wheel spacers on and look like this: (not necessarily with the bad camber)
Or maybe go a little extreme and roll the fenders and put wheel spacers on and look like this: (not necessarily with the bad camber)
i think Hadley aka hadman is running wider than 225's since he has the 350z wheels. looks really nice and sexy. and i don't think he has wheel spacers either. Matt, Jeff and others i think had the same with no problems. i have spacers in the rear for my FX35 wheels and no problems still handles the same.
^^Before I got the rims I have now, I was goin to purchase some aftermarket rims that came off of a 350z and the tires were 235s. But they rubbed in the front... Rear I didnt try.
Plus if I get a VE5 and lower it, I want my stance to look like that S14 pic that I posted. Rolled fenders + Wide Rims =
Plus if I get a VE5 and lower it, I want my stance to look like that S14 pic that I posted. Rolled fenders + Wide Rims =
spacers this
no spacers that
spacers don't matter for sh*t if you don't know the wheel width and offset. a 15mm spacer on a stock SE wheel (6.5"+35mm) will be WAY different than a 15mm spacer on a chrysler 300c wheel (7"+22mm) like i used to run, compared to a stock z32 front/na wheel (7.5"+45mm) not all wheels are created equal.
also keep in mind that running a narrow tread on a wide tire will give you more fender clearance than a wide tire on the same rim width. that's because if you use a narrower tread, the sidewall slants inward and clears the fender. that's something else to think about. another thing (if you aren't that concerned about tire wear) is adding some negative camber to the front wheels to pull the tops in. negative camber will make the car handle a little bit better anyways, but will cause the tires to wear faster.
no spacers that
spacers don't matter for sh*t if you don't know the wheel width and offset. a 15mm spacer on a stock SE wheel (6.5"+35mm) will be WAY different than a 15mm spacer on a chrysler 300c wheel (7"+22mm) like i used to run, compared to a stock z32 front/na wheel (7.5"+45mm) not all wheels are created equal.
also keep in mind that running a narrow tread on a wide tire will give you more fender clearance than a wide tire on the same rim width. that's because if you use a narrower tread, the sidewall slants inward and clears the fender. that's something else to think about. another thing (if you aren't that concerned about tire wear) is adding some negative camber to the front wheels to pull the tops in. negative camber will make the car handle a little bit better anyways, but will cause the tires to wear faster.
Last edited by CapedCadaver; Nov 9, 2009 at 04:56 PM.
You are going to have to find a "sweet spot" in the offset in order to run 235s or 245s.
I think around +30 to +38 range, which is what a lot of rear drive 18s are (350z, G35). Matt or Jeff can tell you for sure. I think they have both run 245s at one time.
I think around +30 to +38 range, which is what a lot of rear drive 18s are (350z, G35). Matt or Jeff can tell you for sure. I think they have both run 245s at one time.
just to give an idea, the aforementioned 300c wheels looked like this with no spacers. i had about 20mm of inside clearance in the rear, and more than enough in front. i rubbed in the rear due to haing blown struts, but if they weren't blown i might have been OK, or i might have still needed rolled fenders.
http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u.../new%20wheels/
http://s164.photobucket.com/albums/u.../new%20wheels/
Last edited by CapedCadaver; Nov 9, 2009 at 05:05 PM.
Didnt want to ask this in the noob thread (since technically im not), but I was wondering if on the 3rd gen it was possible to run anything wider than 225s with maybe, wheel spacers or something?
Or maybe go a little extreme and roll the fenders and put wheel spacers on and look like this: (not necessarily with the bad camber)
Or maybe go a little extreme and roll the fenders and put wheel spacers on and look like this: (not necessarily with the bad camber)
pretty sure there's an old thread called "the perfect offset" or something, has a TON of info on tire/rim setups on our cars. i'll see if i can dig it up.
couldn't find the exact one i was looking for but here's some that are pretty good...... *cough* search *cough*
http://forums.maxima.org/3rd-generat...nes-tires.html
this one's gross: says miata in the url :S tire calculator thingajigger: http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
this one's got a bunch of photos so you can see how the car will sit :
http://forums.maxima.org/3rd-generat...-rims-fit.html
do a search there's probably like 5 other good threads that can get you what you're looking for.
couldn't find the exact one i was looking for but here's some that are pretty good...... *cough* search *cough*
http://forums.maxima.org/3rd-generat...nes-tires.html
this one's gross: says miata in the url :S tire calculator thingajigger: http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
this one's got a bunch of photos so you can see how the car will sit :
http://forums.maxima.org/3rd-generat...-rims-fit.html
do a search there's probably like 5 other good threads that can get you what you're looking for.
Last edited by Garf; Nov 9, 2009 at 09:41 PM.
i use this alot
http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp
stock wheels are GXE 15"x6"+35mm "and SE 15"x6.5"+35mm
for a baseline.. use the SE wheel and say 6.5 and 35 in the boxes. then enter in the wheel you are looking at. outer clearance extends much more than 20-25mm past stock, you might have rubbing issues on the outside (narrower tire, rolled fender, and adding negative camber will help with this)
if it's less than that for outside clearance, you can use spacers until you reach that number. Keep in mind that spacers REDUCE your overall offset. So a 7.5"+35mm wheel with a 5mm spacer will fit identically to a 7.5"+30mm wheel.
if your inner clearance is reduced more than about 10mm from the stock SE wheel, you might rub the strut, particularly in the rear, or you might rub the inside of the wheel well at full lock in the front. spacers are about the only way to fix this, as long as you are within the clearance range on the outside of the wheel.
Also keep in mind, using a taller-than-stock tire is more likely to rub than a stock-OD (25.5") or smaller tire.
http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp
stock wheels are GXE 15"x6"+35mm "and SE 15"x6.5"+35mm
for a baseline.. use the SE wheel and say 6.5 and 35 in the boxes. then enter in the wheel you are looking at. outer clearance extends much more than 20-25mm past stock, you might have rubbing issues on the outside (narrower tire, rolled fender, and adding negative camber will help with this)
if it's less than that for outside clearance, you can use spacers until you reach that number. Keep in mind that spacers REDUCE your overall offset. So a 7.5"+35mm wheel with a 5mm spacer will fit identically to a 7.5"+30mm wheel.
if your inner clearance is reduced more than about 10mm from the stock SE wheel, you might rub the strut, particularly in the rear, or you might rub the inside of the wheel well at full lock in the front. spacers are about the only way to fix this, as long as you are within the clearance range on the outside of the wheel.
Also keep in mind, using a taller-than-stock tire is more likely to rub than a stock-OD (25.5") or smaller tire.
Last edited by CapedCadaver; Nov 9, 2009 at 09:56 PM.
i use this alot
http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp
stock wheels are GXE 15"x6"+35 "and SE 15"x6.5"+35"
for a baseline.. use the SE wheel and say 6.5 and 35 in the boxes. then enter in the wheel you are looking at. outer clearance extends much more than 20-25mm past stock, you might have rubbing issues on the outside (narrower tire, rolled fender, and adding negative camber will help with this)
if it's less than that for outside clearance, you can use spacers until you reach that number. Keep in mind that spacers REDUCE your overall offset. So a 7.5"+35mm wheel with a 5mm spacer will fit identically to a 7.5"+30mm wheel.
if your inner clearance is reduced more than about 10mm from the stock SE wheel, you might rub the strut, particularly in the rear, or you might rub the inside of the wheel well at full lock in the front. spacers are about the only way to fix this, as long as you are within the clearance range on the outside of the wheel.
Also keep in mind, using a taller-than-stock tire is more likely to rub than a stock-OD (25.5") or smaller tire.
http://www.1010tires.com/WheelOffsetCalculator.asp
stock wheels are GXE 15"x6"+35 "and SE 15"x6.5"+35"
for a baseline.. use the SE wheel and say 6.5 and 35 in the boxes. then enter in the wheel you are looking at. outer clearance extends much more than 20-25mm past stock, you might have rubbing issues on the outside (narrower tire, rolled fender, and adding negative camber will help with this)
if it's less than that for outside clearance, you can use spacers until you reach that number. Keep in mind that spacers REDUCE your overall offset. So a 7.5"+35mm wheel with a 5mm spacer will fit identically to a 7.5"+30mm wheel.
if your inner clearance is reduced more than about 10mm from the stock SE wheel, you might rub the strut, particularly in the rear, or you might rub the inside of the wheel well at full lock in the front. spacers are about the only way to fix this, as long as you are within the clearance range on the outside of the wheel.
Also keep in mind, using a taller-than-stock tire is more likely to rub than a stock-OD (25.5") or smaller tire.
On my 89SE, I had the rustang 17x9 5stars running nitto 555's at 235/45/r17 with VERY minimal rubbing while taking 30/35 MPH corners at 75-80MPH (on a closed road)........I was also running Koni's and eibachs among a laundry list of other goodies. IMHO the nittos seemed pretty wide for their size, IIRC Nitto had a larger than average footprint for the given tire size specs at the time.
EDIT, also had a very large sub box in the trunk so it may have accounted for SOME of the squat/rubbing
EDIT, also had a very large sub box in the trunk so it may have accounted for SOME of the squat/rubbing
the fronts of a 4th and 3rd gen are almost the same the rear would be the wild card, im probably going to try and squeeze a 265/35/19 all round, wheel offset and width is what will make and break how wise u can go. most of u guys running 225s on 8 or 8.5 wide wheel u can run 245s just bump the profile down if u want to be on the safe side.
the fronts of a 4th and 3rd gen are almost the same the rear would be the wild card, im probably going to try and squeeze a 265/35/19 all round, wheel offset and width is what will make and break how wise u can go. most of u guys running 225s on 8 or 8.5 wide wheel u can run 245s just bump the profile down if u want to be on the safe side.
265, would be some serious rubber but the 35 series doesnt sound very forgiving when it comes to real world driving comfort. I hope u got some strong trans/engine mounts and a killer tranny/clutch. Something has to give when u squeeze the fun pedal. I kept breaking trans mounts probably due to wheel hop.
245s are about as wide as you can physically fit under the rear fenders without rubbing.
I run 245/45/17 on mine with a 17x8 +25 wheel. Rolled fenders in the back. -1.5deg camber in rear, adjusted from the bottom.
no rubbing up front with same- plenty of clearance.
If you went to zero camber in the back (sucks for handling!!), you might be able to fit a 255.. but you'd be better off running a degree or so of camber and less rubber. it will be lighter and handle better than running a wider tire with crap alignment.
I've actually run a 275/45/17 up front before with no rubbing, but it looked like bootay with only 235s in the back at the time (I was trying to eliminate understeer at the road course.. it didn't work.)
but yeah.. listen to Caped with respect to the offsets and spacer subject. you can't just randomly start throwing out spacer numbers without knowing what size and offset wheels and alignment specs, and lots of other things.
I run 245/45/17 on mine with a 17x8 +25 wheel. Rolled fenders in the back. -1.5deg camber in rear, adjusted from the bottom.
no rubbing up front with same- plenty of clearance.
If you went to zero camber in the back (sucks for handling!!), you might be able to fit a 255.. but you'd be better off running a degree or so of camber and less rubber. it will be lighter and handle better than running a wider tire with crap alignment.
I've actually run a 275/45/17 up front before with no rubbing, but it looked like bootay with only 235s in the back at the time (I was trying to eliminate understeer at the road course.. it didn't work.)
but yeah.. listen to Caped with respect to the offsets and spacer subject. you can't just randomly start throwing out spacer numbers without knowing what size and offset wheels and alignment specs, and lots of other things.
I just picked up some new wheels, and I plan on running 245/50/16's. I plan on rolling my fenders but I hope I do not need to pull them. The wheels are 16x8.5's +37. If this thread is still going when I buy tires I'll report back.
To be on the safe side I would recommend rolling the fenders for spirited driving with a 245 regardless of sidewall height even with a modest eibach spring.
265, would be some serious rubber but the 35 series doesnt sound very forgiving when it comes to real world driving comfort. I hope u got some strong trans/engine mounts and a killer tranny/clutch. Something has to give when u squeeze the fun pedal. I kept breaking trans mounts probably due to wheel hop.
265, would be some serious rubber but the 35 series doesnt sound very forgiving when it comes to real world driving comfort. I hope u got some strong trans/engine mounts and a killer tranny/clutch. Something has to give when u squeeze the fun pedal. I kept breaking trans mounts probably due to wheel hop.
its honestly the offset that will make or break wheel& size, i had a 245 on the front with a 40mm offset 18x8 wheel, no rubbing, when i got these Z wheels same 18x8s but they had a 30mm offset and i had rubbing problems with 245s. If ur offsets are in check no problems
im on eibachs i could careless about comfort anymore(im about to get rid of them), not with these wood blocks for springs. im not to concerned about 265s breaking my tranny, it would be a serious fail if 265 street tires was the reason behind my tranny failing, with people running slicks + turbo/SCs/nitrous and trannys still holding up.
its honestly the offset that will make or break wheel& size, i had a 245 on the front with a 40mm offset 18x8 wheel, no rubbing, when i got these Z wheels same 18x8s but they had a 30mm offset and i had rubbing problems with 245s. If ur offsets are in check no problems
its honestly the offset that will make or break wheel& size, i had a 245 on the front with a 40mm offset 18x8 wheel, no rubbing, when i got these Z wheels same 18x8s but they had a 30mm offset and i had rubbing problems with 245s. If ur offsets are in check no problems
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225/50/16x7.5 with 300zx non-turbo rims with 45+ offset 1" spacers on the back and nothing on the front, and suspension is totally stock and its VE5....i mean its really the offset u need to care about but i wouldn't recommend running over 245s on 3rd gen stock...i didnt roll fenders on rear cuz they dont rub till i m having 3 peoples sitting on the back...but most of the time its me or 1 more passenger at max...so its ur call....u better roll ur fenders if u want a look of that bemmer...and its not a rear wheel drive just remember that...
Last edited by burhan92SE; Nov 10, 2009 at 10:54 PM.
im on eibachs i could careless about comfort anymore(im about to get rid of them), not with these wood blocks for springs. im not to concerned about 265s breaking my tranny, it would be a serious fail if 265 street tires was the reason behind my tranny failing, with people running slicks + turbo/SCs/nitrous and trannys still holding up.
its honestly the offset that will make or break wheel& size, i had a 245 on the front with a 40mm offset 18x8 wheel, no rubbing, when i got these Z wheels same 18x8s but they had a 30mm offset and i had rubbing problems with 245s. If ur offsets are in check no problems
its honestly the offset that will make or break wheel& size, i had a 245 on the front with a 40mm offset 18x8 wheel, no rubbing, when i got these Z wheels same 18x8s but they had a 30mm offset and i had rubbing problems with 245s. If ur offsets are in check no problems
Last edited by wolfpack_5150; Nov 11, 2009 at 07:56 PM.
I have 225/45/17's on the 17x7" Infiniti I35 rims on my '89 Max. They are getting worn down so soon I will switch to some new tires. I was thinking to upgrade the size to 235/45/17s. Will those fit OK on a 7" rim?
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I ran 245/45-17's all the time and have fit 265/40-17 on the rear without rubbing. Both tires were on cobra wheels (17x8, +30 offset). I did have to roll the inner lip on the rear fenders though, even with just the 245's.
anyhow i was wondering if you had any more pics of the 265's on a 17x8 rim (i assume you ran 265 40 17?)