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Old Dec 9, 2001 | 06:17 PM
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Question about advancing Timing on VE.

I've read through Czar's instructions on Craig page, but my friend that has all the tools keeps saying that i have to disconnect my computer, and i tell him no i don't have to do anything to the ECU.
Does anyone know weather or not they did this, and does anyone else have instructions, cause the marks on the crank is kind of confusing me alittle, and when we hooked a timing light up to the #1 cylinder it didn't work.
Any help or tips would help
Old Dec 9, 2001 | 06:37 PM
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buy yourself a service manual. it explains everything.

And no, you don't need to disconnect the computer to do it. you do it while the engine is running at idle. (Again, read an FSM and it'll tell you that too).
Old Dec 9, 2001 | 06:43 PM
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I have them. I have the Chilton's and it didn't say anything about Advancing, and it talked about running a diagnostic on the ECU.

But we just kept argueing about if you have to disconnect it or not.

I do have a ? for you though matt. When you got your 93, could you chirp the 1-2 shift while it was stock?
Old Dec 9, 2001 | 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by Sith I have them. I have the Chilton's and it didn't say anything about Advancing, and it talked about running a diagnostic on the ECU. But we just kept argueing about if you have to disconnect it or not. I do have a ? for you though matt. When you got your 93, could you chirp the 1-2 shift while it was stock?
First get a FSM, second get a new friend Just kidding.
If you want I can mail you photo copies of the instruction straight from the FSM. If this is ok with you just pm me your mailing address and I'll try to get it out ASAP. Later
Old Dec 9, 2001 | 07:24 PM
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I have the FSM. But thank you for the offer Mike.
I never did look at it though, i'm used to not having it with my VG.

Thank You
Old Dec 9, 2001 | 07:33 PM
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Ok i'm dumb
i don't have the FSM i have the owners manual
Kinda slow sometimes.
I'll get you my address Mike, and Thanks.
Old Dec 9, 2001 | 08:53 PM
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no the ecu doesn't need to be disconnected
the car can be running {best way to do it, listen to the engine. if it gets faster. you're advancing. slower, retarding}

i never had a FSM or anything related to it in general
Old Dec 9, 2001 | 08:56 PM
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Hey Bryan i been meaning to ask you
How'd you launch your car?
Since your the King at shifting i'd like to get some tips. I suck with the 5spd. I have a friend who talks crap on my car saying there's no way it could run a mid 15 stock, and i know it can't with me driving, so i wanna get better.
I've kind of noticed that if i kind of slip the clutch starting off and slip it in the shift to second it feels quicker. BUt i don't know if that's the case.
Old Dec 9, 2001 | 09:23 PM
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alrighty
it takes a lot of practice.
this is what i did. you may need to change it some depending on torque.

hold the rpms at 2300
dump the clutch.
let it bog for a split second and nail the gas. ride the wheel spin out {if any}
then hammer second {ride wheel spin if any}

mine spun first and second.

BTW bald street tires work great if you heat them up

but in general thats what i did
Old Dec 9, 2001 | 09:54 PM
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i can't even get it to chirp the 1-2 shift. If i slip it it feels like it grabs and then pulls like crazy but the extra time it takes to slip it i don't know if i'll end up loosing with that. It feels like it runs really strong. I was practicing a bit tonight, if i dump the clutch at around 2k it spins the wheels pretty good, no bogging, if i dump it at around 1600 it hops forward then bogs a second then grabs and goes again, and then i just slam it into second as fast as i can.
I want to try the power shift from 1-2 like you used to do but i don't wanna mess anything up. The friend that gives me crap had a 79 chevy 2x4 truck with a 350 in it. he ran a 15.9 at the track and we went out on the back roads, he spun good and i spun a little, and i got him 2 out of 3 times. And now he's saying there's no way i could run mid 15's and that he ate my *** on those runs, but i don't remember which race he's remembering cause his front bumper was at my rear the whole time except when i grinded thrid, and when he beat me the second run.
-shrug-
I think i am getting better though. Been working on it
Old Dec 9, 2001 | 10:46 PM
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practice my dear boy practice
stock you should do 15.3
key word
should

mods?

BTW powershifting is hell on trannies
at a 2100 dollar rebuild on my old max. i don't want to do that again. i stopped powershifting after that.

its expensive, but if you have the money, do it
Old Dec 9, 2001 | 10:54 PM
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the stock clutch on my car lasted all of about 3 weeks after I got it. (it had 150k on it already and slipped pretty bad on a 1-2 shift).. if I dumped the clutch on a 1-2 shift, it would take over a full second to stop slipping.

when I got my ACT, things got much better.I could squeal the hell out of my 1-2 shift and get a good bark on my 2-3 shift. those were on my old pirelli tires..

after about 5000 miles of hard driving and new stickier firestone SZ-50 tires, I can't chirp 2nd but I can feel the tires slip.. (you can kinda hear them slipping on the concrete, but it's not a chirp or squeal.. almost like I'm on sand) and 3rd is no chance... partly because these tires are soooo much stickier than my pirellis and they just don't make much noise either.. I can barely get these things to smoke. my pirellis would fog up an entire city block if I lit 'em up at a light, but these barely get much more than a white/blue haze around the car.




As for your shifting techniques.. if you want to try the power shifting thing, start out at first just shifting arond 2-3-4k rpm.. practice at low speeds and throttle positions until you get good at it.. this will save your engine, tranny, clutch, tires, engine mounts, etc... powershifting puts some HARD wear on the car so you don't want to do it much (at all)..

so just learn to do it at lower rpm so you don't put as much stress on the driveline.. shift using 1/2 or 1/4 throttle instead of WOT.
If you feel the engine jumping around in the engine bay, I suggest you don't mess with powershifting (or just hard shifting altogether) until you replace your engine mounts. bryan can attest to that one also. he actually broke the bolt holes off his tranny, so he couldn't replace the mounts without getting a new tranny.. (Which I'm sure is a good part of the reason he sold it)

blah blah blah. read, practice, play.
Old Dec 9, 2001 | 11:35 PM
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it would have cost me 2 grand to fix it
tranny mount
not one, but both of them
new casing {kinda broke it}
there is quite a bit that is slammed around when you power shift. but two years of it things started to show.

needless to say, it wasn't pretty

actualy id still have the maxima if my dad would have given me the OK at the time to get the Celica All-Trac i wanted. instead i got talked into a 2k celica gts 6spd
grrrrrr
Old Dec 10, 2001 | 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by Bryan H
it would have cost me 2 grand to fix it
tranny mount
not one, but both of them
new casing {kinda broke it}
there is quite a bit that is slammed around when you power shift. but two years of it things started to show.

needless to say, it wasn't pretty

actualy id still have the maxima if my dad would have given me the OK at the time to get the Celica All-Trac i wanted. instead i got talked into a 2k celica gts 6spd
grrrrrr
are the GTs celica fast? i heard they hang with GSr integs
Old Dec 10, 2001 | 04:43 AM
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three mods

what ya think?
BTW stock for stock the GTS celica is faster then a GSR
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