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Old Mar 13, 2002 | 09:53 AM
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Brake upgrade

With all my mods, I don't have trouble going fast, but I dod have trouble slowing down quickly (when the radar detector goes off. So my question is about brake upgrades.

I know I can get upgrade kits, or go with the 300Z brakes, but I was looking for something cheaper, and that will not require new rims. Like cross-drilled/slotted rotors, and premium pad. Does anyone has a configuration that works well for them?

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Old Mar 13, 2002 | 10:42 AM
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Powerstop x-drilled and EBC greenstuff pads in the front, and drums on back still, this combo works great for me. They were a little noisy at first, but they just needed breaking in. The price is good too. I think the rotors were like 79 a piece from Nopi, and the pads were like 50 or 60 (ballpark). Now I just need to paint my calipers and drums...
Old Mar 13, 2002 | 10:52 AM
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drilled and slotted rotors won't get you any performance benefit.
your best bets are either brembo blanks or OEM rotors.
you can get the brembo blanks for $48 each at carpart.com (NOT carparts.com)

they're sold under autospecialty. JBR-505 is the part #.

have those cryo treated for about $25 each..
then get Axxis metalmaster or EBC green pads and you're set.
Old Mar 13, 2002 | 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by Matt93SE
drilled and slotted rotors won't get you any performance benefit.
your best bets are either brembo blanks or OEM rotors.
you can get the brembo blanks for $48 each at carpart.com (NOT carparts.com)

they're sold under autospecialty. JBR-505 is the part #.

have those cryo treated for about $25 each..
then get Axxis metalmaster or EBC green pads and you're set.
Check your PMs Matt.
Old Mar 13, 2002 | 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by Matt93SE
drilled and slotted rotors won't get you any performance benefit.
your best bets are either brembo blanks or OEM rotors.
you can get the brembo blanks for $48 each at carpart.com (NOT carparts.com)

they're sold under autospecialty. JBR-505 is the part #.

have those cryo treated for about $25 each..
then get Axxis metalmaster or EBC green pads and you're set.
I thought that drilled and slotted rotors were supposed to improve wet braking, cool more effectively blah blah blah.

Where can you cryo treat them?
Old Mar 13, 2002 | 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by Matt93SE
drilled and slotted rotors won't get you any performance benefit.
your best bets are either brembo blanks or OEM rotors.
you can get the brembo blanks for $48 each at carpart.com (NOT carparts.com)

they're sold under autospecialty. JBR-505 is the part #.

have those cryo treated for about $25 each..
then get Axxis metalmaster or EBC green pads and you're set.
You have just contradicted everything I have always believed about aftermarket braking systems. Please elaborate...
Old Mar 13, 2002 | 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by Matt93SE
drilled and slotted rotors won't get you any performance benefit.
your best bets are either brembo blanks or OEM rotors.
you can get the brembo blanks for $48 each at carpart.com (NOT carparts.com)

they're sold under autospecialty. JBR-505 is the part #.

have those cryo treated for about $25 each..
then get Axxis metalmaster or EBC green pads and you're set.
You have just contradicted everything I have always believed about aftermarket braking systems. Please elaborate...
Thanks, Matt
Old Mar 14, 2002 | 07:04 AM
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Yeah - I was lead to believe that cross-drilled rotors, stayed cooler, and improved wet traction. And I can definitely tell a difference over stock on my set-up of x-drilled and EBC greens.
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do a search on why.. there's tons of info out there about it.. crossdrilled will help with wet braking when the car's cold or you just drove through a huge puddle and the rotors are wet (which means COLD).. but anytime other than that, drilled or slotted rotors don't help worth jack on the street. only on the track will they make a difference, where pad and rotor temps get above 400C.
www.wilwood.com is a good place to start for info.
Old Mar 14, 2002 | 09:24 AM
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ahhhh

once again, matt drops tha knowledge for the less fortunate ones....glad i didn't invest in slotted or cross-drilled rotors!!
Old Mar 14, 2002 | 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by Matt93SE
do a search on why.. there's tons of info out there about it.. crossdrilled will help with wet braking when the car's cold or you just drove through a huge puddle and the rotors are wet (which means COLD).. but anytime other than that, drilled or slotted rotors don't help worth jack on the street. only on the track will they make a difference, where pad and rotor temps get above 400C.
www.wilwood.com is a good place to start for info.
Before you slap me, I can't get to that site from work, so here's my question:
You said it won't make a difference unless you're on a track, which I would also assume under harder driving conditions...
Now, does that also mean that they are no worse then what you recommended, or do they actually perform worse under "normal" driving conditions?
Old Mar 14, 2002 | 10:14 AM
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they won't perform worse other than the fact the slotted ones are prone to warping and drilled ones are prone to cracking if you're not very careful with them and drive easy when they're cold.

but there's no REAL point in spending twice as much on slotted or drilled rotors unless you want them to look cool.
performance gains on the street are seen about 80% in the pads, not the rotors.
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Question - why would a $50,000 car, like a Porsche for example, come with cross drilled/slotted rotors when alot of them are made for street driving?

Also my XD rotors were less expensive than OEM, and cost less than having my OEM rotors turned. Like I said before, I can tell a difference.
Old Mar 14, 2002 | 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by Clayton94GXE
Question - why would a $50,000 car, like a Porsche for example, come with cross drilled/slotted rotors when alot of them are made for street driving?

Also my XD rotors were less expensive than OEM, and cost less than having my OEM rotors turned. Like I said before, I can tell a difference.
Becasue it's a high performance car. You can drive it hard in its stock form to the point of needing those sort of brakes. Plus, do you wnat to spend $80K on a car and find it it has the same brake system as a 7000 Kia?

You can ask similar questions about SUVs right - they come with a lot of options that are meant for off-roading, but I've seen more in supermarket parking lots then I've seen driving through the mud.
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Originally posted by Clayton94GXE
Question - why would a $50,000 car, like a Porsche for example, come with cross drilled/slotted rotors when alot of them are made for street driving?

Also my XD rotors were less expensive than OEM, and cost less than having my OEM rotors turned. Like I said before, I can tell a difference.
Okay new question:

How about a good pad that performs well, but doesn't dust a lot?
Old Mar 14, 2002 | 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by Clayton94GXE
Question - why would a $50,000 car, like a Porsche for example, come with cross drilled/slotted rotors when alot of them are made for street driving?

Also my XD rotors were less expensive than OEM, and cost less than having my OEM rotors turned. Like I said before, I can tell a difference.
Because they're designed for track use, but they CAN drive on the street... it's called overkill. You, in a Maxima, MIGHT need that kind of braking power once or twice in the life of the car.. and that's only when you're deliberately trying to kill the car and/or yourself.

and your prices on XD rotors are out in left field. new OEM rotors are about $50 each. Brembo blanks (my recommendaation) cost $48 each. I had a place that sold them for $37 each, but lost the info.
Good crossdrilled rotors (not powerstop. they're made-in-china trash) will cost anywhere from $130 in a group deal to $220 (stillen's price). that's a far cry from $100/set for OEM solid rotors.

Turning stock rotors should cost you no more than $12 each. they usually do it for under $6 here, and if the parts store guys are in a good mood, they'll often do my rotors for free.

blackandwhite A peformance pad that doesn't dust? good luck. they're a bit of a contradiction. ALL good pads dust to some extent. the ones that dust the least are Axxis MM and EBC green.
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and your prices on XD rotors are out in left field. new OEM rotors are about $50 each. Brembo blanks (my recommendaation) cost $48 each. I had a place that sold them for $37 each, but lost the info.
Good crossdrilled rotors (not powerstop. they're made-in-china trash) will cost anywhere from $130 in a group deal to $220 (stillen's price). that's a far cry from $100/set for OEM solid rotors.

Turning stock rotors should cost you no more than $12 each. they usually do it for under $6 here, and if the parts store guys are in a good mood, they'll often do my rotors for free.

Not sure where or how you get those kinds of prices, but I was quoting what a Nissan dealer quoted me. $113.02 per rotor for front OEM rotors. And $150.00 to turn and resurface rotors. Going by those prices, my two brand new rotors for $70 each sounded pretty good to me. I believe Courtesy sells new rotors for 69 and some change + shipping. I would've bought the brembo blanks for $48 each if I would've known about them though.
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