i dont quite understand how the track times of the ve can be a whole second faster than the vg with only 30 more hp, and 8 more ft-lbs of torque.... *scratches head*

 

VE's have a longer broader powerband than the VGs. For example lets compare an auto VE to auto VG. Both cars have the same gear ratio, after the VG passes 5000rpm or 35mph, acceleration drops off. However at the same point the VE is still pulling to its power peak, this is the time where it pulls the VG. Just think if one was able to get 30hp out of bolt ons from a VG it should run about 1 sec quicker than stock. My 87 max ran 1 second quicker at the track after I/E/UDP + free mods vs stock. Really only the 5spds are 1 sec quicker the auto's are around 0.4-0.8 tenths quicker.

 

So if I put bolt ons that add like 30 HP to my vg I will have more torque than a VE rigth, so I will beat a stock VE, rigth?

 

here's why they're faster.. It's exactly as Nismo said.. look at the top one.. that's my VG auto dyno chart..
the bottom one is my VE dyno chart. note that peak power is about 5500rpm, where's it's still got 160lb of torque. the VG's power falls off waaaay before that.

http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pics/old_max/dyno.jpg

http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic...eline_dyno.jpg

 

hey thanks, that what i kinda figured a while back when i pondereed this question, i guess it slipped my mind, anyway...lately your site has been saying like private, forbidden, unauthorized etc. whats up wiht that? Thanks.

-Rob

 

You'd probably get more torque than a VE with timing advance + Y pipe. IMHO all you need to beat a *stock* VE auto is I/Y + free mods + 205/50-15 tires. Hell throw in a torque convertor and you'd eat the VE all day long. That is if you do races that don't go past 90mph

 

His web space provider now denies him a directory listing... which means you now either know exactly which file you want and where, or you get squat. Sucks I know I KNEW I should've saved some of that stuff!

 

I know it's doing that.. it pi$$es me off.. the webmaster keeps changing the rights to forbid directory listings, and I haven't had time to creat index files or anything for them.
I need to just get a decent thumbnail program that will just let me do the whole webpage at once and prodive links to the subdirectories and everything. the one that Photoshop has built into it only does one directory, and that would take days to complete- which time is one thing I don't have.

 

drive one, youll understand. My VG has no up end at all, if the car downshifts from third to second, thers is no kick at all at the high RPMS. pretty annoying. I drove a guys VE 5 speed, and abotu nutted myself, because that whole upper end has so much kick.

when i floor my car it moves great all the way till 5000 and thats when it bascially turns into dead zone, like the rpms keep moving up but tehres just no more power there at all.

 

Why Its better 205/50/15 tires those are too small, your car will not go as fast as the speed meter saids! and you will not have a good top speed because your speed limiter

 

205/50/15 tires have a smaller diameter than stock, so there's more torque applied to the ground..

say you've got to pick up a 100lb box off a table.. do you do it with your arms extended, or do you get it close to your body and lift?
it's the same deal.. big tires make the ground far from the axle.. small tires make it closer, so they can put more torque down to the ground.


Also, 3rd gens don't have a speed limiter. none of them do.

 

My car have a speed limiter!!!! when I pas 125, like 130 I guess, it do the same thing as the revs limiter!!! and I have a 90 se vg engine.

BTW: like 1 and half year when i didnt use the car the mechanic change the ecu because it wasnt good , and now the car do that, I have the stock ecu here, mabe I will put it again and check!!, mabe he put the wrong ecu or something, I dont now

 

Matt I have never heard it put that way.

Smaller tires = lower gear ratio which equals quicker take off and better 1/4 mile speeds.

 

Ah the magic of mechanical leverage. It also works exactly like an old hot rodder swapping his 3.08 rear differential gears for a 4.88 or something. More leverage, harder launches, etc, but insanely high RPM on the highway!

 

yep and what a ride when you do that. I went from 3.08 to 4.56 in my Chevelle and man was it awesome but no highway cruising for me.
I put in a mini spool while I was in there and talk about tires chirping around a corner...straight line driving was fun though

 

Then you're either nitting your REV limiter, or the mechanic installed a funky ECU into your car. no 3rd gen had a speed limiter, unless it wasn't made in the states. (and even then, I don't know if they had them). I had my VG auto clocked at 142 on the highway, so I KNOW they don't crap out at 120 or 130.
only way you could be doing something like that was to be running it in 4th gear and hit the rev limiter. that's about where my VE runs out of RPM in 4th gear.

 

ok i am going to kick this dead horse. since my last post got dropped. dont know why. but this post was saying that the vg has no top end. the Jim Wolf ecu helps that alot. my car was the same until this mod and now it pulls until around 6000rpm. IS this true or is my butt meter off?? and i am going to throw this in here since that is what my last post was about. who has the fastest VG auto?? thanks jon

 

depends...N/A Skymax put down the fastest numbers with a 15.4! Max O/D when he was N/A also had a very fast VG auto as well, but never put down track numbers, but was making 165+ HP at the wheels, as for nitrous I think THE MAX had that record running 80shot on his VG auto!

as for the future, THE MAX and Max O/D are going to be the fastest VG autos around hands down unless someone else is holding back!

 

and oh yeah this summer FFX Max ran 15.99 in his VG auto with intake, ECU and exhaust...as far as recent times go that would be the fastest!

hopefully this guy up in PA with a white VG auto and JWT ECU will get his butt to the track and see if he can break that record....

 

Wow Matt great numbers there. What (if any) mods didja have at the time?

 

sounds like ECU really helps more than you think

 

hey da-max what was some of those nitrous run times??? thanks jon

 

that's where the VGT comes in

 

well THE MAX claimed 13.8s...but other than him no other VG autos(to my knowledge) have ventured into the nitrous realm and put down times.