VE - VG track times, I dont get it?
03-29-2002, 02:09 AM
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VE's have a longer broader powerband than the VGs. For example lets compare an auto VE to auto VG. Both cars have the same gear ratio, after the VG passes 5000rpm or 35mph, acceleration drops off. However at the same point the VE is still pulling to its power peak, this is the time where it pulls the VG. Just think if one was able to get 30hp out of bolt ons from a VG it should run about 1 sec quicker than stock. My 87 max ran 1 second quicker at the track after I/E/UDP + free mods vs stock. Really only the 5spds are 1 sec quicker the auto's are around 0.4-0.8 tenths quicker.
03-29-2002, 10:00 PM
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here's why they're faster.. It's exactly as Nismo said.. look at the top one.. that's my VG auto dyno chart..
the bottom one is my VE dyno chart. note that peak power is about 5500rpm, where's it's still got 160lb of torque. the VG's power falls off waaaay before that.
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pics/old_max/dyno.jpg
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic...eline_dyno.jpg
the bottom one is my VE dyno chart. note that peak power is about 5500rpm, where's it's still got 160lb of torque. the VG's power falls off waaaay before that.
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pics/old_max/dyno.jpg
http://www.ee.utulsa.edu/~mblehm/pic...eline_dyno.jpg
03-30-2002, 12:25 AM
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hey thanks, that what i kinda figured a while back when i pondereed this question, i guess it slipped my mind, anyway...lately your site has been saying like private, forbidden, unauthorized etc. whats up wiht that? Thanks.
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03-30-2002, 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by catman316
So if I put bolt ons that add like 30 HP to my vg I will have more torque than a VE rigth, so I will beat a stock VE, rigth?
So if I put bolt ons that add like 30 HP to my vg I will have more torque than a VE rigth, so I will beat a stock VE, rigth?
03-31-2002, 02:18 AM
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Originally posted by Dummy
...lately your site has been saying like private, forbidden, unauthorized etc. whats up wiht that? Thanks.
-Rob
...lately your site has been saying like private, forbidden, unauthorized etc. whats up wiht that? Thanks.
-Rob
I KNEW I should've saved some of that stuff! 
03-31-2002, 04:28 PM
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I know it's doing that.. it pi$$es me off.. the webmaster keeps changing the rights to forbid directory listings, and I haven't had time to creat index files or anything for them.
I need to just get a decent thumbnail program that will just let me do the whole webpage at once and prodive links to the subdirectories and everything. the one that Photoshop has built into it only does one directory, and that would take days to complete- which time is one thing I don't have.
I need to just get a decent thumbnail program that will just let me do the whole webpage at once and prodive links to the subdirectories and everything. the one that Photoshop has built into it only does one directory, and that would take days to complete- which time is one thing I don't have.
03-31-2002, 04:45 PM
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drive one, youll understand. My VG has no up end at all, if the car downshifts from third to second, thers is no kick at all at the high RPMS. pretty annoying. I drove a guys VE 5 speed, and abotu nutted myself, because that whole upper end has so much kick.
when i floor my car it moves great all the way till 5000 and thats when it bascially turns into dead zone, like the rpms keep moving up but tehres just no more power there at all.
when i floor my car it moves great all the way till 5000 and thats when it bascially turns into dead zone, like the rpms keep moving up but tehres just no more power there at all.
03-31-2002, 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by Nismo87SE
You'd probably get more torque than a VE with timing advance + Y pipe. IMHO all you need to beat a *stock* VE auto is I/Y + free mods + 205/50-15 tires. Hell throw in a torque convertor and you'd eat the VE all day long. That is if you do races that don't go past 90mph
You'd probably get more torque than a VE with timing advance + Y pipe. IMHO all you need to beat a *stock* VE auto is I/Y + free mods + 205/50-15 tires. Hell throw in a torque convertor and you'd eat the VE all day long. That is if you do races that don't go past 90mph
Why Its better 205/50/15 tires those are too small, your car will not go as fast as the speed meter saids! and you will not have a good top speed because your speed limiter
03-31-2002, 05:22 PM
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205/50/15 tires have a smaller diameter than stock, so there's more torque applied to the ground..
say you've got to pick up a 100lb box off a table.. do you do it with your arms extended, or do you get it close to your body and lift?
it's the same deal.. big tires make the ground far from the axle.. small tires make it closer, so they can put more torque down to the ground.
Also, 3rd gens don't have a speed limiter. none of them do.
say you've got to pick up a 100lb box off a table.. do you do it with your arms extended, or do you get it close to your body and lift?
it's the same deal.. big tires make the ground far from the axle.. small tires make it closer, so they can put more torque down to the ground.
Also, 3rd gens don't have a speed limiter. none of them do.
03-31-2002, 05:43 PM
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My car have a speed limiter!!!! when I pas 125, like 130 I guess, it do the same thing as the revs limiter!!! and I have a 90 se vg engine.
BTW: like 1 and half year when i didnt use the car the mechanic change the ecu because it wasnt good
, and now the car do that, I have the stock ecu here, mabe I will put it again and check!!, mabe he put the wrong ecu or something, I dont now
BTW: like 1 and half year when i didnt use the car the mechanic change the ecu because it wasnt good
, and now the car do that, I have the stock ecu here, mabe I will put it again and check!!, mabe he put the wrong ecu or something, I dont now
03-31-2002, 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by awsm66
Matt I have never heard it put that way.
Smaller tires = lower gear ratio which equals quicker take off and better 1/4 mile speeds.
Matt I have never heard it put that way.
Smaller tires = lower gear ratio which equals quicker take off and better 1/4 mile speeds.
03-31-2002, 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by Bman
Ah the magic of mechanical leverage. It also works exactly like an old hot rodder swapping his 3.08 rear differential gears for a 4.88 or something. More leverage, harder launches, etc, but insanely high RPM on the highway!
Ah the magic of mechanical leverage. It also works exactly like an old hot rodder swapping his 3.08 rear differential gears for a 4.88 or something. More leverage, harder launches, etc, but insanely high RPM on the highway!
I put in a mini spool while I was in there and talk about tires chirping around a corner...straight line driving was fun though
03-31-2002, 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by catman316
My car have a speed limiter!!!! when I pas 125, like 130 I guess, it do the same thing as the revs limiter!!! and I have a 90 se vg engine.
BTW: like 1 and half year when i didnt use the car the mechanic change the ecu because it wasnt good , and now the car do that, I have the stock ecu here, mabe I will put it again and check!!, mabe he put the wrong ecu or something, I dont now
My car have a speed limiter!!!! when I pas 125, like 130 I guess, it do the same thing as the revs limiter!!! and I have a 90 se vg engine.
BTW: like 1 and half year when i didnt use the car the mechanic change the ecu because it wasnt good
, and now the car do that, I have the stock ecu here, mabe I will put it again and check!!, mabe he put the wrong ecu or something, I dont now
only way you could be doing something like that was to be running it in 4th gear and hit the rev limiter. that's about where my VE runs out of RPM in 4th gear.
10-13-2002, 06:05 PM
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ok i am going to kick this dead horse. since my last post got dropped. dont know why. but this post was saying that the vg has no top end. the Jim Wolf ecu helps that alot. my car was the same until this mod and now it pulls until around 6000rpm. IS this true or is my butt meter off?? and i am going to throw this in here since that is what my last post was about. who has the fastest VG auto?? thanks jon
dont know why. but this post was saying that the vg has no top end. the Jim Wolf ecu helps that alot. my car was the same until this mod and now it pulls until around 6000rpm. IS this true or is my butt meter off?? and i am going to throw this in here since that is what my last post was about. who has the fastest VG auto?? thanks jon
10-13-2002, 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by Jon610
who has the fastest VG auto?? thanks jon
who has the fastest VG auto?? thanks jon
as for the future, THE MAX and Max O/D are going to be the fastest VG autos around hands down unless someone else is holding back!
10-13-2002, 06:32 PM
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and oh yeah this summer FFX Max ran 15.99 in his VG auto with intake, ECU and exhaust...as far as recent times go that would be the fastest!
hopefully this guy up in PA with a white VG auto and JWT ECU will get his butt to the track and see if he can break that record.... 
hopefully this guy up in PA with a white VG auto and JWT ECU will get his butt to the track and see if he can break that record....
10-13-2002, 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by Brandon90gxe
drive one, youll understand. My VG has no up end at all, if the car downshifts from third to second, thers is no kick at all at the high RPMS. pretty annoying. I drove a guys VE 5 speed, and abotu nutted myself, because that whole upper end has so much kick.
when i floor my car it moves great all the way till 5000 and thats when it bascially turns into dead zone, like the rpms keep moving up but tehres just no more power there at all.
drive one, youll understand. My VG has no up end at all, if the car downshifts from third to second, thers is no kick at all at the high RPMS. pretty annoying. I drove a guys VE 5 speed, and abotu nutted myself, because that whole upper end has so much kick.
when i floor my car it moves great all the way till 5000 and thats when it bascially turns into dead zone, like the rpms keep moving up but tehres just no more power there at all.
10-13-2002, 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by Jon610
hey da-max what was some of those nitrous run times??? thanks jon
hey da-max what was some of those nitrous run times??? thanks jon
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