Cheapest dual exhaust setup?
04-14-2002, 10:38 PM
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Cheapest dual exhaust setup?
I am loving flyry's dual exhaust setup, but according to one of his posts, he used 2 mufflers for his. I'm looking not to upgrade the performance, but the looks of my max, so what options do I have to get a dual exhaust setup? I'm not going for a TRUE setup, just one for looks and (hopefully) one that won't give me that overly ricey sound.
I had a few ideas, so let me know what you guys / gals think and any other options I might have overlooked. I'm trying to stay with my stock muffler since there are no problems with it whatsoever, but again, I'm trying for just the looks. My first thought was to buy a DynoMax muffler from jegs.com (http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...314&prmenbr=76) that some members on the board recommended in other threads, but there were issues about not enough clearance on the driver's side to support it. Another muffler I could also try, again from a previous post, is the Tanabe style one (http://www.speedpeople.com/cart/deta...manceParts.cfm). I believe flyry uses this one, but only he could verify that. My main issue with this solution was the unbalanced (I'm assuming) sound this would produce, since I would want to keep my stock muffler. The cost of this would be decent, with the new muffler costing me $60 (after rebate) and tips for the DynoMax and the stock + the cost of the installation.
My second choice was to extend a pipe from the stock muffler to the driver's side and again run a tip on each side. I'm uncertain of any issues this may have or even if it's possible nor am I familiar with the costs they would entail.
I'm not in a complete rush to get this done, but if the cost is low and the possible results are decent, I'll definitely try to get it done as soon as I can. Give me your thoughts and any other ideas you may come up with.
I had a few ideas, so let me know what you guys / gals think and any other options I might have overlooked. I'm trying to stay with my stock muffler since there are no problems with it whatsoever, but again, I'm trying for just the looks. My first thought was to buy a DynoMax muffler from jegs.com (http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...314&prmenbr=76) that some members on the board recommended in other threads, but there were issues about not enough clearance on the driver's side to support it. Another muffler I could also try, again from a previous post, is the Tanabe style one (http://www.speedpeople.com/cart/deta...manceParts.cfm). I believe flyry uses this one, but only he could verify that. My main issue with this solution was the unbalanced (I'm assuming) sound this would produce, since I would want to keep my stock muffler. The cost of this would be decent, with the new muffler costing me $60 (after rebate) and tips for the DynoMax and the stock + the cost of the installation.
My second choice was to extend a pipe from the stock muffler to the driver's side and again run a tip on each side. I'm uncertain of any issues this may have or even if it's possible nor am I familiar with the costs they would entail.
I'm not in a complete rush to get this done, but if the cost is low and the possible results are decent, I'll definitely try to get it done as soon as I can. Give me your thoughts and any other ideas you may come up with.
04-14-2002, 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by PATRICK94SE
You could always stick a single in dual out in place of the resonator and run tipped pipes out the back
You could always stick a single in dual out in place of the resonator and run tipped pipes out the back
04-14-2002, 11:12 PM
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WOW...some one get me some Cliff Notes!!!
a TRUE setup means the pipes come seperately off each manifold. unless I didn't read right, Flyrys ISN'T true, its a split after the Y or cat....
anyways I think he wants to do the same thing Flyry did, but he wants to use the stock muffler and another type of muffler on the dirver side...I'm still a little confused though.
I don't think "duals" and "cheap" go together! if anything at leasr get two of the same mufflers, the stock one will look corny as hell!
04-14-2002, 11:12 PM
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In your stock set up there is a "pre muffler" (if you look under your car there will be a fat part in the exaust piping. You could replace that with a single inlet/dual outlet muffler. connect each outlet to a section of exaust pipe then run each pipe to the rear of the car you could then place exaust tips on each pipe. THIS WILL DO NOTHING FOR PREFORMANCE but it will look cool
04-14-2002, 11:13 PM
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Re: I'm confused!
Originally posted by maxdout92se
if you're not goin for the TRUE setup, then what are you tryin to do? Just place a muffler on the drivers side with no connection to the exhaust whatsoever?
if you're not goin for the TRUE setup, then what are you tryin to do? Just place a muffler on the drivers side with no connection to the exhaust whatsoever?
Written by DanNY in another thread
"true dual exhaust" - two separate pipes running from each exhaust manifold going to two cats (optional H or X pipe somewhere in the middle). two separate pipes then running to two mufflers.
"true dual exhaust" - two separate pipes running from each exhaust manifold going to two cats (optional H or X pipe somewhere in the middle). two separate pipes then running to two mufflers.
well excuse me for bein inquisitive!!!
04-14-2002, 11:22 PM
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Cliff Notes... That's what I keep forgetting!!!
Originally posted by DA-MAX
a TRUE setup means the pipes come seperately off each manifold. unless I didn't read right, Flyrys ISN'T true, its a split after the Y or cat....
anyways I think he wants to do the same thing Flyry did, but he wants to use the stock muffler and another type of muffler on the dirver side...I'm still a little confused though. I don't think "duals" and "cheap" go together! if anything at leasr get two of the same mufflers, the stock one will look corny as hell!
a TRUE setup means the pipes come seperately off each manifold. unless I didn't read right, Flyrys ISN'T true, its a split after the Y or cat....
anyways I think he wants to do the same thing Flyry did, but he wants to use the stock muffler and another type of muffler on the dirver side...I'm still a little confused though.
I don't think "duals" and "cheap" go together! if anything at leasr get two of the same mufflers, the stock one will look corny as hell!
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04-14-2002, 11:22 PM
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Re: Re: I'm confused!
Originally posted by NYC 92 GXEr
...anyways do what Patrick is saying, you can even buy a small Y-splitter(Dynomax, etc.), place it "inline" with the piping near the fuel tank and run pipes to both mufflers from that...anyways your best bet is to ask Flyry, I'm sure he'd help you out!
04-14-2002, 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by PATRICK94SE
In your stock set up there is a "pre muffler" (if you look under your car there will be a fat part in the exaust piping. You could replace that with a single inlet/dual outlet muffler. connect each outlet to a section of exaust pipe then run each pipe to the rear of the car you could then place exaust tips on each pipe. THIS WILL DO NOTHING FOR PREFORMANCE but it will look cool
In your stock set up there is a "pre muffler" (if you look under your car there will be a fat part in the exaust piping. You could replace that with a single inlet/dual outlet muffler. connect each outlet to a section of exaust pipe then run each pipe to the rear of the car you could then place exaust tips on each pipe. THIS WILL DO NOTHING FOR PREFORMANCE but it will look cool
BTW, found this at WarpSpeed's website. This a kind of muffler you talking about?
They carry it for $75, although shipping is another sotry.
04-14-2002, 11:27 PM
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No. the "pre-muffler" is a small cylindrical canister about 3-4" in diameter, its also known as a resonator and a glasspack....I haven't seen anyones with dual outlets though.....
Originally posted by NYC 92 GXEr
04-14-2002, 11:31 PM
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For those who don't believe it actually works...
Originally posted by DA-MAX
sweet he used the SEARCH!!! good job
...anyways do what Patrick is saying, you can even buy a small Y-splitter(Dynomax, etc.), place it "inline" with the piping near the fuel tank and run pipes to both mufflers from that...anyways your best bet is to ask Flyry, I'm sure he'd help you out!
sweet he used the SEARCH!!! good job
...anyways do what Patrick is saying, you can even buy a small Y-splitter(Dynomax, etc.), place it "inline" with the piping near the fuel tank and run pipes to both mufflers from that...anyways your best bet is to ask Flyry, I'm sure he'd help you out!
About the inline piping, it's definitely one more thing for me to consider.
Oh, before I forget...
CLIFF NOTES:
SEARCHING IS YOUR FRIEND and Da-Max has a good idea
04-14-2002, 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by DA-MAX
No. the "pre-muffler" is a small cylindrical canister about 3-4" in diameter, its also known as a resonator and a glasspack....I haven't seen anyones with dual outlets though.....
No. the "pre-muffler" is a small cylindrical canister about 3-4" in diameter, its also known as a resonator and a glasspack....I haven't seen anyones with dual outlets though.....
04-14-2002, 11:36 PM
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Re: For those who don't believe it actually works...
take a look at this-->
its the bottom one:
http://www.promuffler.com/hardware.htm
I've got an old picture I drew up last year, if I find it I'll post it again.
its the bottom one:
http://www.promuffler.com/hardware.htm
I've got an old picture I drew up last year, if I find it I'll post it again.
04-14-2002, 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by maxdout92se
you get the single end welded to tha y-pipe and run pipes from the dual ends to the left and right muffler.. right??
you get the single end welded to tha y-pipe and run pipes from the dual ends to the left and right muffler.. right??
04-14-2002, 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by DA-MAX
kinda, but no...there isnt enough room in the exhaust tunnel to fit more than one pipe or two VERY small pipes. what I'm saying is that you leave everything stock from the Y-pipe back until you get to the section of pipe near the rear of the fuel tank(you really have to know how the underside is setup to undertand)...anyway at this point you put the Y-splitter inline and run pipes off of it to the mufflers...when I post the diagram you'll see....give me a minute and I'll dig it up.
kinda, but no...there isnt enough room in the exhaust tunnel to fit more than one pipe or two VERY small pipes. what I'm saying is that you leave everything stock from the Y-pipe back until you get to the section of pipe near the rear of the fuel tank(you really have to know how the underside is setup to undertand)...anyway at this point you put the Y-splitter inline and run pipes off of it to the mufflers...when I post the diagram you'll see....give me a minute and I'll dig it up.
04-15-2002, 12:01 AM
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once agian, not sure if this will work, but back last year when I was considering dual I drew this up, never did it though.......negative effects shouldn't be very bad, but its possible to lose some low-end and the car will be MUCH louder, depending on what mufflers you use.
04-15-2002, 01:29 AM
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No one has "true" duals AFAIK. There's a difference between "true" and "real" duals, since some people have fake duals (non-functional left muffler/tailpipe). Flyry's are "real", but not "true"
DA-MAX's diagram is basically what Flyry's setup is, though he doesn't have a Y-splitter and instead has the other exhaust pipe just "T'ed off" (welded) from the pipe that runs over the axle. If you don't have his undercar pics of his setup, email me and I'll reply with them.
I think the Warpspeed muffler (which is pretty much a regular huge muffler) would not fit too good where the resonator is right now because it would hang down and piping would have to go under the gas tank or have 2 pipes squeezed into where the stock pipes run now to get past the tank.
A 4th Gen guy used the Flowmaster transverse muffler for Camaros/Firebirds with one in, two outs on each side of the muffler. One pipe went out back normally while the other doubled back, went over the axle, and out the other side. That's one very clean solution if all you want to see is pipes and no muffler. He hung it up high enough that you couldn't see the muffler at all. Again, very clean looking.
One method I thought up was using narrow DTM-like mufflers (like the ones you see on eBay all the time) on both sides with Flyry's piping. The advantage is that these mufflers are very compact but still have the dual tip look, which I like a lot. The (big) disadvantage is also that these mufflers are very compact and straight-through, so they will be fairly loud. I like my exhaust quiet, so I was trying to figure out ways to squeeze additional/bigger resonators under there to compensate! I lost interest in this, especially since this wouldn't happen anytime soon, but it might be do-able.
The reason the mufflers have to be compact is so that it can fit on the driver's side. You can try removing the plastic vent/box under there to get more room, but then you have to move the passenger's side muffler over too to balance the look. I've seen a nice dual tipped muffler on stock WRX's that *looks* compact, but don't know for sure. If aren't obsessed with the dual tips like I am, get 2 smallish round OEM-type mufflers and it can probably fit better and still be quiet if that matters. Keep piping 2.5" or slightly under.
btw, that Tanabe muffler is what he's got and I think he may have got them at that same place... Those are as compact as mufflers get, but probably pretty loud without their (restrictive) silencers.
Whew! I think I just emptied my brain!
DA-MAX's diagram is basically what Flyry's setup is, though he doesn't have a Y-splitter and instead has the other exhaust pipe just "T'ed off" (welded) from the pipe that runs over the axle. If you don't have his undercar pics of his setup, email me and I'll reply with them.
I think the Warpspeed muffler (which is pretty much a regular huge muffler) would not fit too good where the resonator is right now because it would hang down and piping would have to go under the gas tank or have 2 pipes squeezed into where the stock pipes run now to get past the tank.
A 4th Gen guy used the Flowmaster transverse muffler for Camaros/Firebirds with one in, two outs on each side of the muffler. One pipe went out back normally while the other doubled back, went over the axle, and out the other side. That's one very clean solution if all you want to see is pipes and no muffler. He hung it up high enough that you couldn't see the muffler at all. Again, very clean looking.
One method I thought up was using narrow DTM-like mufflers (like the ones you see on eBay all the time) on both sides with Flyry's piping. The advantage is that these mufflers are very compact but still have the dual tip look, which I like a lot. The (big) disadvantage is also that these mufflers are very compact and straight-through, so they will be fairly loud. I like my exhaust quiet, so I was trying to figure out ways to squeeze additional/bigger resonators under there to compensate!
I lost interest in this, especially since this wouldn't happen anytime soon, but it might be do-able.The reason the mufflers have to be compact is so that it can fit on the driver's side. You can try removing the plastic vent/box under there to get more room, but then you have to move the passenger's side muffler over too to balance the look. I've seen a nice dual tipped muffler on stock WRX's that *looks* compact, but don't know for sure. If aren't obsessed with the dual tips like I am, get 2 smallish round OEM-type mufflers and it can probably fit better and still be quiet if that matters. Keep piping 2.5" or slightly under.
btw, that Tanabe muffler is what he's got and I think he may have got them at that same place... Those are as compact as mufflers get, but probably pretty loud without their (restrictive) silencers.
Whew! I think I just emptied my brain!
04-15-2002, 05:17 AM
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Re: Cheapest dual exhaust setup?
Originally posted by NYC 92 GXEr
I am loving flyry's dual exhaust setup, but according to one of his posts, he used 2 mufflers for his. I'm looking not to upgrade the performance, but the looks of my max, so what options do I have to get a dual exhaust setup? I'm not going for a TRUE setup, just one for looks and (hopefully) one that won't give me that overly ricey sound.
I had a few ideas, so let me know what you guys / gals think and any other options I might have overlooked. I'm trying to stay with my stock muffler since there are no problems with it whatsoever, but again, I'm trying for just the looks. My first thought was to buy a DynoMax muffler from jegs.com (http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...314&prmenbr=76) that some members on the board recommended in other threads, but there were issues about not enough clearance on the driver's side to support it. Another muffler I could also try, again from a previous post, is the Tanabe style one (http://www.speedpeople.com/cart/deta...manceParts.cfm). I believe flyry uses this one, but only he could verify that. My main issue with this solution was the unbalanced (I'm assuming) sound this would produce, since I would want to keep my stock muffler. The cost of this would be decent, with the new muffler costing me $60 (after rebate) and tips for the DynoMax and the stock + the cost of the installation.
My second choice was to extend a pipe from the stock muffler to the driver's side and again run a tip on each side. I'm uncertain of any issues this may have or even if it's possible nor am I familiar with the costs they would entail.
I'm not in a complete rush to get this done, but if the cost is low and the possible results are decent, I'll definitely try to get it done as soon as I can. Give me your thoughts and any other ideas you may come up with.
I am loving flyry's dual exhaust setup, but according to one of his posts, he used 2 mufflers for his. I'm looking not to upgrade the performance, but the looks of my max, so what options do I have to get a dual exhaust setup? I'm not going for a TRUE setup, just one for looks and (hopefully) one that won't give me that overly ricey sound.
I had a few ideas, so let me know what you guys / gals think and any other options I might have overlooked. I'm trying to stay with my stock muffler since there are no problems with it whatsoever, but again, I'm trying for just the looks. My first thought was to buy a DynoMax muffler from jegs.com (http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...314&prmenbr=76) that some members on the board recommended in other threads, but there were issues about not enough clearance on the driver's side to support it. Another muffler I could also try, again from a previous post, is the Tanabe style one (http://www.speedpeople.com/cart/deta...manceParts.cfm). I believe flyry uses this one, but only he could verify that. My main issue with this solution was the unbalanced (I'm assuming) sound this would produce, since I would want to keep my stock muffler. The cost of this would be decent, with the new muffler costing me $60 (after rebate) and tips for the DynoMax and the stock + the cost of the installation.
My second choice was to extend a pipe from the stock muffler to the driver's side and again run a tip on each side. I'm uncertain of any issues this may have or even if it's possible nor am I familiar with the costs they would entail.
I'm not in a complete rush to get this done, but if the cost is low and the possible results are decent, I'll definitely try to get it done as soon as I can. Give me your thoughts and any other ideas you may come up with.
Bman's idea of 2 DTMs is what i was going to do at first, before i found these mufflers at speed people. they were 100 apiece with shipping included, so i figured what the heck, but your deal is even better! i haven't seen anyone with dual DTM's yet, but if they are tucked right i bet they'd look seriously tight!
DA-max: that's about what mine looks like. . .
the sound isn't uneven at all, they even steam evenly. i was very pleased with the results, especially at the street races and local meets. the other day i was pulling through the crowd to park and i head "is that the maxima with the dual exhaust"
big smile on my face. people actually hear about it lol. oh, it won't be nearly as loud if you leave the resonator in. mine are VERY loud with the silencers out, here's a pic of why. . .http://www.pa-maximas.com/images/3inchexhaust.jpg
04-15-2002, 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by DA-MAX
once agian, not sure if this will work, but back last year when I was considering dual I drew this up, never did it though.......negative effects shouldn't be very bad, but its possible to lose some low-end and the car will be MUCH louder, depending on what mufflers you use.
once agian, not sure if this will work, but back last year when I was considering dual I drew this up, never did it though.......negative effects shouldn't be very bad, but its possible to lose some low-end and the car will be MUCH louder, depending on what mufflers you use.
OK, from the above picture, I came up with this idea. What if I were to remove the OEM muffler, replace that with a 2 outlet/1 inlet muffler but have it mounted backwards so that the outlets are facing the front of the car, have the stock piping run into one of the 2 "outlets" and extend another pipe to the driver's side with the other outlet. So basically, this design will use the 1 inlet of the new muffler as the sole outlet for the passenger side. One problem with this would be the issue of air flow, as I'm not sure if anything will reach the second outlet. Another addition could be placing the stock muffler in the space directly underneath the spare wheel well in the picture above, although how much space is really there is an issue to be addressed.
04-15-2002, 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by NYC 92 GXEr
See, that's where my problem laid. I was not expecting any performance advantages, but I also don't want to lose anything in the process. Also, the sound is a major issue cause I don't want to sound way too loud going through the local streets, but a nice rumble is optimal.
OK, from the above picture, I came up with this idea. What if I were to remove the OEM muffler, replace that with a 2 outlet/1 inlet muffler but have it mounted backwards so that the outlets are facing the front of the car, have the stock piping run into one of the 2 "outlets" and extend another pipe to the driver's side with the other outlet. So basically, this design will use the 1 inlet of the new muffler as the sole outlet for the passenger side. One problem with this would be the issue of air flow, as I'm not sure if anything will reach the second outlet. Another addition could be placing the stock muffler in the space directly underneath the spare wheel well in the picture above, although how much space is really there is an issue to be addressed.
See, that's where my problem laid. I was not expecting any performance advantages, but I also don't want to lose anything in the process. Also, the sound is a major issue cause I don't want to sound way too loud going through the local streets, but a nice rumble is optimal.
OK, from the above picture, I came up with this idea. What if I were to remove the OEM muffler, replace that with a 2 outlet/1 inlet muffler but have it mounted backwards so that the outlets are facing the front of the car, have the stock piping run into one of the 2 "outlets" and extend another pipe to the driver's side with the other outlet. So basically, this design will use the 1 inlet of the new muffler as the sole outlet for the passenger side. One problem with this would be the issue of air flow, as I'm not sure if anything will reach the second outlet. Another addition could be placing the stock muffler in the space directly underneath the spare wheel well in the picture above, although how much space is really there is an issue to be addressed.
04-15-2002, 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by Shadow1198
Flyry, do you think you could get some sounds of your exhaust? I think everyone here would like to here how it sounds. I know I would!
Flyry, do you think you could get some sounds of your exhaust? I think everyone here would like to here how it sounds. I know I would!
04-15-2002, 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by NYC 92 GXEr
OK, from the above picture, I came up with this idea. What if I were to remove the OEM muffler, replace that with a 2 outlet/1 inlet muffler but have it mounted backwards so that the outlets are facing the front of the car, have the stock piping run into one of the 2 "outlets" and extend another pipe to the driver's side with the other outlet. So basically, this design will use the 1 inlet of the new muffler as the sole outlet for the passenger side. One problem with this would be the issue of air flow, as I'm not sure if anything will reach the second outlet...
OK, from the above picture, I came up with this idea. What if I were to remove the OEM muffler, replace that with a 2 outlet/1 inlet muffler but have it mounted backwards so that the outlets are facing the front of the car, have the stock piping run into one of the 2 "outlets" and extend another pipe to the driver's side with the other outlet. So basically, this design will use the 1 inlet of the new muffler as the sole outlet for the passenger side. One problem with this would be the issue of air flow, as I'm not sure if anything will reach the second outlet...
That is exactly the same idea as I mentioned with the 4th Gen guy in my post, except with a muffler actually designed to do that. I don't think it's a great idea to flow against what the muffler was designed to.I think the "my posts must be invisible" curse has returned!
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