caught you again

 

Damn I thought I could hide in the 4 Gen forum!

 

doh i own a 4th Gen

 

If all that RSX has is an intake, I have more HP then him.

Y-Pipe = 20hp (crank)

Hybrid = 8hp (crank)

catback = 3-5hp (crank)

So I am making about 223HP at the crank. That is 23 more horses then the RSX at much lower RPM's...don't even get me started on torque..that's like 100lb-ft difference there.

And I agree with theblue the RSX's VTEC was made for high speeds, I have no doubt they are fast at those extreme speeds, but in day to day life people don't go nearly that fast.

 

you would be correct -- but you forgot about weight - the RSX is a lighter car and does not need as much HP to match us. Also, when we were on the dynos in toronto, my roomates RSX-S put down more HP than me.

 

Also add whatever better gear ratios and 1 more gear(?) the RSX has also. If the gears are anything like the GSR I drove, the torque multiplication of better gear ratios + the lighter weight makes up for the lack of torque.

Torque isn't everything or else semis would be killing us right?

 

I hate when people say that "well at 200mph+ I'll beat you or he'll beat me"(x-agerating) Its ridiculous most of the time you're not driving that high in the real world unless your on the track so if I had to pick between getting an RSX type s or Maxima I would get the Maxima with real world useable power.

 

to hell with racing, let's all drive high.

 

you are a fool. i've seen Z06's run 14s, does that mean they are slow and your mighty maxima can own them too? just cuz someone's a ****ty driver doesn't make it a ****ty car. my best ET was a 14.79 - all i had at the time was an intake and some nearly-bald 17s (ask theblue, he was there). as he said, because of the rsx's gearing and top-end, a maxima will stand little or no chance on the highway. we raced from about 50-125ish up in canada, before I had my suspension, and heck I might have even had my snows on still (oops... so THAT's why they have no tread... doh) and after 100 i was pulling pretty strong on him. 6spd vs 5, lighter weight, closer ratio gearing (aka goes thru rpms faster and stays in the power band)... of course, he bends me over like a little catholic school boy when it comes to launching / power off the line...

 

should i be afraid of the old gen v6 mustang? even the new ones?

 

sounds like box horsepower, as in, you read what the parts boxes said for gains and added it up *cough* BS *cough*

my car put down a real-world 179.9 SAE corrected HP, and like 129 or 130lb/ft of torque. granted, my roommate's maxima put down like 160something hp, and 2xx torque, but whoever said "Torque wins races HP wins shows" isn't quite right.

it's all about what you want, and how you drive it. I like that my motor is peaky, that I can either drive it softly, or wind it out hardcore... there's nothing like the sound of a short-ram intake screaming for more air at 8300rpm (7900=redline, 8300=fuel cut, and to be honest, I shift like a hair before fuel cut about 90% of the time, even on the street... :P). other people like having a fat power band with lots of low-end (i owned a jetta vr6 and a GTI before my rsx).

frankly, i'd prefer a little of both, which is why I might be selling my RSX-S and buying another 944 Turbo (then I can have a nice 2.5L I4 with lots of low-end, as well as 300hp@16psi of top-end torque... plus, no more FWD reverse donuts for me!!)

 

So basically it's huge lack of torque and low RPM power is why we get to 60 faster?

And when dyno'ing, they chart the power at that cars peak power point, correct? I am curious as to how many more thousand RPM's it took your buddy's RSX to put down the power. And, how much more torque did you put down? (just curious)

 

no

 

Sounds like you are a *cough* retard *cough*. 20HP to the crank is not over-exhaggerating AT ALL, ask your friend, or ask the many people who dyno'ed with Y-pipes and get an average of 16fwhp. 3-5 at the crank for a catback is actually underrated, and 6-8 for the intake seems about right. Mods won't do as much for your car becuase your engine is soo tiny.

...or maybe it's lack of displacement, or maxed out tuning from the factory..who knows..most Jap cars are that way including ours, but not in the case of our downpipes!


If you can put 180 "corrected" HP to the crank, then theblue is putting around 225, and probubly more then 160 to the wheels.. You are probubly putting down around 140 to the wheels. I'm not understand your methods...

here is what power the RSX-S makes SAE net stock:

200 hp @ 7400 rpm
142 lb.-ft. @ 6000 rpm

I still don't understand if you were talking about your wheel or crank HP...but if you were talking wheel you are definatally lying or have much more then just an intake.

 

Craig, here is a hint. Size of the motor is NOT the determining factor in it's acceptability to bolt ons or not. In fact, I've seen some GOOD gains to friend's rsx w/ just an intake and exhuast.

 

Actually, the 99+ is a different story. The 99+ coupes w/5spd run about 7.1 0-60 and mid 15's in the 1/4th. A guy on stang net ran a 15.3 with his stock 2k 5spd V6 stang. They have 190HP and 225TQ, and weigh only around 3100 pounds, but their gearing sucks nads. Give them the maxima's gearing and IMHO it would be very close, however they are pushrod's (make lots of VERY low end torque) and lose power where we are just getting started.

A 99+ Stock V6 5spd stang coupe could take out a 95+ Maxima auto easily.

As far as the 98's and below...they are pure junk. 160HP. A 95-98 V6 5spd Mustang could only give a VG max a run for it's money, any other max would DESTROY it.

 

I also hear that Mustang V6 responds to dual exhaust really well also.

 

...that's why I said "factory tuning, ect." ...and displacement does place a role. The reaons domestics take better to mods then us is subpar designing from the factory and more liters to work with. It's like multiplyer.

Why don't you just go sell your max, buy a weed-wacker and get off my back

 

Quit twisting my old words around damnet.

I think someone is mad becuase their slow 3rd gen cannot compete with mere v-6 mustangs

 

Shut your hole and know your role! haha. Actually a turbo integra is not a bad idea!

 

Well, maybe in the future you will get a turbo integra...and I will probubly get a 95-98 Cobra. Then we can meet up and revv our engines. Then I will drown out your buzzy drone with the Deep dark thundering dragon sound of that 4.6L V8

..Or I could just use my Max, either one would work.

 

dumbass, it wasn't
lets think about this, if stock i made 200 @ the crack, how would i be making 180 after putting on my intake? that was to the WHEELS... i don't advertise magazine/box/whatever bull**** HP - all that matters is to the wheels.

i don't care if your beloved y-pipe gives you 180324 horse to the crank, if that power doesn't make it to the road, who cares?

 

Geez at least get the 300hp Cobra. Didn't they start those post 98'? I think the turbo kit for the VTEC Teg is rated 275flywheel. Not bad for a 2800lb car. I could really car less about sound but V8s so sound nice though. Who could deny that?

Honestly, I might go for a 850T5-R Volvo. That should be good for 300hp flywheel w/ simple bolt ons.

I DO need a truck though. How about a early Ford F100 w/ a 390? Headers and 4 barrel Holley? Sound good? hehe.

BTW your max would be toast for a turbo teg regardless of sound.

 

just cuz your nasty cobra is loud doesn't mean it's fast.

hell, some ugly push-rod driven POS american rust-magnet without an exhaust would probably drown out a ferrari, a mclaren, an f1 car, but noise isn't everything.

 

Jeffrey I am not rich like you..I would get a 95-98 cobra, and prepare for the raping I'll get on insurence, with enough left for exhaust, tint, springs, and some interior work!


Not at all Jeffo, not bad at all..

Riceboys whose mom's bought them economy friendly 1 liter civics instead of raw muscle.

Wow, someone's a blueblood.

Not as good as a 2002 SVT lightning You can get them for as cheap as 27,000 brand new. Man, what a truck!

Yup.

 

So you think they sound/look nasty eh? Well, it's all personal opinion so I won't get into that, but you can't deny that a cobra with simple bolt ons would rape most boosted imports who spent 3 times as much on their car. We are comparing cars that were made for the dragstrip with cars that arent. Any FWD car is going to struggle in straight line moreso then RWD when the power gets cranked up high.

 

but yet, either of my two most recently owned cars would onwn a cobra @ the track (not drag, the REAL track son) or autoX. some of us have different priorities (just like my point w/ the motors).

 

the 99+ mustangs have the new body am i correct?

 

How much did you spend on these cars to make them own cobras...stock MAYBE, I don't know what you had and don't care. You want to say you can beat an '03 cobra stock for stock or with a few thousand dipped into your car while the cobra has a few hundred worth of bolt ons....then you are letting your battleship mouth overload your rowboat a$$. And to you calling me a fool based on what I SAW WITH MY OWN EYES MANY TIMES? HA! Thats funny. A have never seen an RSX-s STOCK run faster times than me STOCK at the track. The reason it ran times you THINK are not accurate was due to the hot and humid wheather in NC, maybe the guy couldn't drive worth a damn I don't know maybe he could. It is a moot point I am just telling you what I saw.

 

New body style and new and vastly improved engines..the 98 and below V6 mustangs are pathetic.

 

stupid ****er. i said the "REAL" track.

aka the one that doesn't go in a straight line.

"real men do it in the corners"

 

I raced a RSX type S with intake and exhaust.
He took off on me all the way.
I have CAI and Y pipe for mods. 98 AUTO GLE

 

Maybe it is geared for that speed but 3 magazines and honda say it does 133 and I've been in one when it got topped out.

 

I still don't get this when i raced an RSX we kicked in third at 70, I heard it hit VTEC then I pulled him by 2 cars shifted into fourth and it wasn't even thinking about pulling, we did this more than once and every time the RSX lost, I talked to him afterwards and all he could say was damn your car is fast.

 

damnit, now i'm gonna have to go verify / prove this wrong (i don't know for sure, but everyone @ clubrsx says otherwise, and there are even videos floating around of 150+ speeds from what I remember). ugh i'm gonna probably get owned by a semi trailer or something. thanks :P

as to this, perhaps he's not a good driver? in order to pull so hard on theblue's max, I had to nail shifts - like, doing it RIGHT before fuel cut. if he went too early, or waited and hit fuel cut, he'd obviously fall behind quite a bit.

 

I don't know how great of a driver he is but he chirped 4th when we raced, I drove his car and I couldn't get it to chirp 3rd, I was also kind of afraid of hitting the rev limiter with him in it.

 

Whats with the insults? Chill out man, why do you even care? You don't see guys with REAL cars getting all heated when they get clled out. As far as the REAL track the REAL men will do the REAL curves in REAL cars will stomp you, you actually think you can take an '03 Cobra on ANY TRACK...once again DON'T LET YOUR BATTLESHIP MOUTH OVERLOAD YOUR ROWBOAT A$$. Dude, SVT doesn't mean they just tweaked the engine, they did the suspension too. They handle just as good if not better than any of your little rice burners. You are a true testament to a missinformed and arrogant person.

 

Amen!

 

Hmm interesting. You're a Ford Service man but own a 97' Maxima? Interesting situation. What do you think of the reliability of the two makes?

And when you reference "rice burners" you must mean Japanese made cars right? Are you including S2000s, Supra MKIVs, 3000GTs, Celia All-Trac turbos, Mr2 turbos, 300z Z32 TTs, etc?? All are pretty capable track cars.

 

kingmax, you work for ford and drive a family car. i hardly consider you an expert in the subject of track driving. while i haven't taken my "rice burner" (*laugh* riiiigh *******, you still drive a japaneese car too dumbass) to the track, between the suspension work and tire choices, i've been quite successful autocrossing (even though I'm still a beginner and learning to drive, it's obvious the car is quite capable). I'd love to hear what you've done in your maxima, not in some car you MIGHT buy some day... it's not like you see me say "when I buy an F50 i'll rape you."

my rsx, or the 944 turbo i had before that (and the one i might well buy in a few days) will own you on a road course, on the highway, in fact, just about anywhere BUT the drag strip (and even then, unless you're well modded and actually know what you're doing, i've got a pretty fair chance, considering even theblue is only about .5 sec faster). so why don't you stop smoking crack, and go get that '03 Cobra and THEN we'll talk, until then take your vaporwaremobile and shove it up that battleship-sized family-car driving fat *** of yours (no offense to other maxima owners, but GOD those seats are WIDE, hehe i like the driver's seat in theblue's max a bit more :P).