Hard (Slow) Starting
#1
Hard (Slow) Starting
All,
Background:
I have a 97 SE with 70K. I got a tuneup at 60K (platinum plugs) and they did cleaned the throttle body. Just got an oil change and a new battery (oil last week, Diehard Gold battery 2 weeks ago - it went dead while on vacation for 2 weeks). Recently added fuel additive (Tecron ??) about 2 weeks ago. No other work has been done to the car except for maintenance (oil, tires, brakes).
Problem:
Since adding new battery takes 3-4 attempts to get the car started (turning to start for 3 seconds at a time). First crank the car starts turning over like a Model T (slow and painfully). After 2 more momentum and 3 or 4 does the trick. This is in the morning (about 70 degrees Fahrenheit) and after work (basically when the car hasn't run for 4 or more hours). After the car is warmed up and has been running for about 20 minutes, the car starts on the 1st turn of the key. Historically the car takes 1 or 2 turns/cranks to get started (and the 1st crank is fast, just not catching). This has me concerned that something is up.
Miscellaneous:
After going thru many posts I've seen (fuel filter, oxygen sensor, and throttlebody). I don't want to get the run around at the shop. Any thoughts?? Thanks for reading all of this.
-Jay
Background:
I have a 97 SE with 70K. I got a tuneup at 60K (platinum plugs) and they did cleaned the throttle body. Just got an oil change and a new battery (oil last week, Diehard Gold battery 2 weeks ago - it went dead while on vacation for 2 weeks). Recently added fuel additive (Tecron ??) about 2 weeks ago. No other work has been done to the car except for maintenance (oil, tires, brakes).
Problem:
Since adding new battery takes 3-4 attempts to get the car started (turning to start for 3 seconds at a time). First crank the car starts turning over like a Model T (slow and painfully). After 2 more momentum and 3 or 4 does the trick. This is in the morning (about 70 degrees Fahrenheit) and after work (basically when the car hasn't run for 4 or more hours). After the car is warmed up and has been running for about 20 minutes, the car starts on the 1st turn of the key. Historically the car takes 1 or 2 turns/cranks to get started (and the 1st crank is fast, just not catching). This has me concerned that something is up.
Miscellaneous:
After going thru many posts I've seen (fuel filter, oxygen sensor, and throttlebody). I don't want to get the run around at the shop. Any thoughts?? Thanks for reading all of this.
-Jay
#2
Re: Hard (Slow) Starting
Originally posted by jrobinso73
All,
Background:
I have a 97 SE with 70K. I got a tuneup at 60K (platinum plugs) and they did cleaned the throttle body. Just got an oil change and a new battery (oil last week, Diehard Gold battery 2 weeks ago - it went dead while on vacation for 2 weeks). Recently added fuel additive (Tecron ??) about 2 weeks ago. No other work has been done to the car except for maintenance (oil, tires, brakes).
Problem:
Since adding new battery takes 3-4 attempts to get the car started (turning to start for 3 seconds at a time). First crank the car starts turning over like a Model T (slow and painfully). After 2 more momentum and 3 or 4 does the trick. This is in the morning (about 70 degrees Fahrenheit) and after work (basically when the car hasn't run for 4 or more hours). After the car is warmed up and has been running for about 20 minutes, the car starts on the 1st turn of the key. Historically the car takes 1 or 2 turns/cranks to get started (and the 1st crank is fast, just not catching). This has me concerned that something is up.
Miscellaneous:
After going thru many posts I've seen (fuel filter, oxygen sensor, and throttlebody). I don't want to get the run around at the shop. Any thoughts?? Thanks for reading all of this.
-Jay
All,
Background:
I have a 97 SE with 70K. I got a tuneup at 60K (platinum plugs) and they did cleaned the throttle body. Just got an oil change and a new battery (oil last week, Diehard Gold battery 2 weeks ago - it went dead while on vacation for 2 weeks). Recently added fuel additive (Tecron ??) about 2 weeks ago. No other work has been done to the car except for maintenance (oil, tires, brakes).
Problem:
Since adding new battery takes 3-4 attempts to get the car started (turning to start for 3 seconds at a time). First crank the car starts turning over like a Model T (slow and painfully). After 2 more momentum and 3 or 4 does the trick. This is in the morning (about 70 degrees Fahrenheit) and after work (basically when the car hasn't run for 4 or more hours). After the car is warmed up and has been running for about 20 minutes, the car starts on the 1st turn of the key. Historically the car takes 1 or 2 turns/cranks to get started (and the 1st crank is fast, just not catching). This has me concerned that something is up.
Miscellaneous:
After going thru many posts I've seen (fuel filter, oxygen sensor, and throttlebody). I don't want to get the run around at the shop. Any thoughts?? Thanks for reading all of this.
-Jay
As you mentioned, other possibilities would also include fuel filter and throttlebody. I don't think an O2 sensor would have anything to do with a cold start. I think the ECU runs in a set mode without feedback from the sensor until a normal operating temperature.
#3
Re: Re: Hard (Slow) Starting
It sounds like you have a battery problem - it is too low on voltage/current. Fist of all do you run the car enough to charge the battery? There are things that are ON while the engine/ignition is OFF and can drain the battery after a few weeks. So if you never really charged it up (takes about 30 minutes at say 40 mph).
To check for sure....get/borrow a VOM (volt-ohm meter) and put it across the battery with the engione off! Measure the voltage - it should be about 12 - 12.5 Volts if below this the battery needs charging.
Then start the car and repeat the above. Now the voltage should be at least 13.5 - 14.0 Volts (if the system is charging)while the engine is running. If the voltage is still below 12 Volts then you need to get the chargin system checked - probably the alternator.
Good luck.
To check for sure....get/borrow a VOM (volt-ohm meter) and put it across the battery with the engione off! Measure the voltage - it should be about 12 - 12.5 Volts if below this the battery needs charging.
Then start the car and repeat the above. Now the voltage should be at least 13.5 - 14.0 Volts (if the system is charging)while the engine is running. If the voltage is still below 12 Volts then you need to get the chargin system checked - probably the alternator.
Good luck.
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